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Keshav · Nov 13, 2013

chopperman

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Putting together a list of famous people is not a country culture hahahaha, if anything that proves my point about america making theirs up. Cultures are made of many many years of its people ways, view and traditions. America had no people of its own, even the indibums came from the Caribbean i've read. America is made up of people from all corners of the earth who started to settled there a few hundred years ago. America takes the pieces of those cultures they like or think looks cool, rolls it all together and ends up with a right fruit salad of a culture. England is going the same way, once a rich culture that's now so diluted by the influx of immigrants. Their culture to be celebrated while ours is hidden into obscurity. I say England as the Scotish, Irish and the largely ignored Welsh are ALLOWED to keep theirs.

You speak as if your ancestors were all one genetically distinct race. Get your DNA tested one day and be ready for the surprise of your life. The fact of the ancient ruins from other cultures found all 'round your country give lie to your assertions. Moreover, read your own history books and see how many members of the royal family were in fact from Germany and other parts of Europe that were made a part of the bloodline for the sake of pumping up the royal coffers or keeping the Huns from your door. It's not as if the UK existed all these years in some hermetically sealed cultural bubble like some undiscovered village of pigmies in some remote jungle. British culture is just as informed by the colonies it possessed as they were by Britain. Culture is not defined by genetic markers. Culture is largely defined by the arts and by the width of varieties of social norms. No inhabited place in the world is without these features (except perhaps Costa Rica).

As to views and traditions, can you honestly say the US have produced no original thinkers or influential cultural leaders?

xx CURVE xx · Nov 13, 2013

We are all gods children

... sept the aussies they're the children of criminals :lol:

chopperman · Nov 13, 2013

MotoChick

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So whats your freakin point

Were all descended from n$$$$$$ anyway

My point is, Dressing up in tartan kilts on St Patricks day playing Scotland the brave waving a 3 leaf clover while passing the "support IRA" bucket around is not a culture. It's more a desperate attempt to form one.

By the way, do they grow potato's in New York ?

Garbin · Nov 13, 2013

Keshav

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You speak as if your ancestors were all one genetically distinct race. Get your DNA tested one day and be ready for the surprise of your life. The fact of the ancient ruins from other cultures found all 'round your country give lie to your assertions. Moreover, read your own history books and see how many members of the royal family were in fact from Germany and other parts of Europe that were made a part of the bloodline for the sake of pumping up the royal coffers or keeping the Huns from your door. It's not as if the UK existed all these years in some hermetically sealed cultural bubble like some undiscovered village of pigmies in some remote jungle. British culture is just as informed by the colonies it possessed as they were by Britain. Culture is not defined by genetic markers. Culture is largely defined by the arts and by the width of varieties of social norms. No inhabited place in the world is without these features (except perhaps Costa Rica).

As to views and traditions, can you honestly say the US have produced no original thinkers or influential cultural leaders?

I'm pretty certain the non-indigenous population of Australia don't have a nano-gram of culture between the lot of them

Austin · Nov 13, 2013

Keshav

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Thanks for that. Never seen this photo before.

http://www.amazon.com/Gonzo-Hunter-S-Thompson/dp/B002ECEEG8

Probably worth your money.

14X · Nov 13, 2013

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Keshav · Nov 13, 2013

chopperman

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My point is, Dressing up in tartan kilts on St Patricks day playing Scotland the brave waving a 3 leaf clover while passing the "support IRA" bucket around is not a culture. It's more a desperate attempt to form one.

By the way, do they grow potato's in New York ?

A couple thousand drunken Irish-Americans are neither representitive of the culmination of over two hundred years of American history nor are they representive of millions of Irish that are just matter of fact ordinary citizens here. While it's a shame that some Irish here did send money back in the day to support the bloody activities of IRA - most are law-abiding citizens. They and the Scots created much of the early music that later transmuted into what we now know as Bluegrass and I suppose you could use that statement to argue then, that Bluegrass is not a truly a unique American art form - but then that would be like saying Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Keith Richards and Eric Clapton didn't create something wonderfully British when they transformed the work of Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf etc into something really uniquely English, ie; Yardbirds, Stones, Led Zep etc..

It's not like the legendary Merlin waved his wand and in one stroke created a blueprint of a once and future England.

It all happend a day at a time.

14X · Nov 13, 2013

chopperman

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You see i thought that, then jumkie and his wife visited us. I thought "where the .... will i take them that's even remotely worth their airfair". They requested a visit to some old lumps of rock in moonraker country. On the way back i thought i would take them through the New Forrest to visit Burley. I grew up in that area so don't really look at it in the same way a tourist does. The wild horses blocking the road at every turn frustrated me but overwhelmed and inspired them. The wild stags leaping across the fields are nothing new to me but had them reaching for their camera's. Then there was the pub meal in a village with houses and shops older than their country. Then the ancient walls of southampton with its Tudor and Norman buildings. It made made look at my own surroundings in a different way.

You must be somewhere near me. I'm about 10 minutes away from Burley. I still love the place, but maybe that's because I go there for the enjoyment, not because I have to. I still get a massive grin every time I have to give way for a horse (even more so if it then leads me down the road) The New Forest is just enough of a departure from the norm for me still that I can enjoy rambling around geocaching and eating lunch with the horses (we don't share said lunch) Some good pubs too. And Beaulieu.

Lyndhurst can .... right off though.

I realise that all makes me sound like a complete geek, but .... it. You probably all figured that out a while ago.

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 13, 2013

Keshav

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You speak as if your ancestors were all one genetically distinct race. Get your DNA tested one day and be ready for the surprise of your life. The fact of the ancient ruins from other cultures found all 'round your country give lie to your assertions. Moreover, read your own history books and see how many members of the royal family were in fact from Germany and other parts of Europe that were made a part of the bloodline for the sake of pumping up the royal coffers or keeping the Huns from your door. It's not as if the UK existed all these years in some hermetically sealed cultural bubble like some undiscovered village of pigmies in some remote jungle. British culture is just as informed by the colonies it possessed as they were by Britain. Culture is not defined by genetic markers. Culture is largely defined by the arts and by the width of varieties of social norms. No inhabited place in the world is without these features (except perhaps Costa Rica).

As to views and traditions, can you honestly say the US have produced no original thinkers or influential cultural leaders?

Britain has seen invasions by the Romans; a wave of successive Germanic settlement by the Saxons, Angles and Jutes; Viking and Nordic incursion - chiefly the Danes; The Norman Conquest - and although this had huge influence on the language - there is strong evidence to suggest that much of it barely made a ripple on the gene pool and indeed many English can be traced back to Neolithic Hunter Gatherers.

I meanwhile am a complete celt...(at least I think that's what they told me).

On the Welsh side my ancestors can be traced back to ancient settlements around Ceredigion (Welsh is the oldest language in Britain - approximately 4,000 years since it's earliest origins and amongst the oldest spoken languages in Europe.) http://www.discoverceredigion.co.uk/English/more/story/Pages/Hillforts-and-heroes.aspx

The other side is Nolan - a clan from the original O Nuallian. That side of the my family's earliest roots are traced back to the 12 century when various clans established a stronghold from the Normans in the Wicklow Mountains. Not sure before that, but that was how they came to settle in Dublin.

Not so romantic most would suppose, given that fate decreed that I was born in London and raised as an Englishman, but I totally agree with Rog's observation about plastic Irish, particularly in the U.S. where the most tenuous connection seems to be clung to a a passport to credibility...but tragically the English aren't immune to it either -

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/how-to-pretend-to-be-irish-on-st-patricks-day

Off to Derry in a fortnight come to think of it.

Garbin · Nov 13, 2013

Arrabbiata1

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Britain has seen invasions by the Romans; a wave of successive Germanic settlement by the Saxons, Angles and Jutes; Viking and Nordic incursion - chiefly the Danes; The Norman Conquest - and although this had huge influence on the language - there is strong evidence to suggest that much of it barely made a ripple on the gene pool and indeed many English can be traced back to Neolithic Hunter Gatherers.

I meanwhile am a complete celt...(at least I think that's what they told me).

On the Welsh side my ancestors can be traced back to ancient settlements around Ceredigion (Welsh is the oldest language in Britain - approximately 4,000 years since it's earliest origins and amongst the oldest spoken languages in Europe.) http://www.discoverceredigion.co.uk/English/more/story/Pages/Hillforts-and-heroes.aspx

The other side is Nolan - a clan from the original O Nuallian. That side of the my family's earliest roots are traced back to the 12 century when various clans established a stronghold from the Normans in the Wicklow Mountains. Not sure before that, but that was how they came to settle in Dublin.

Not so romantic most would suppose, given that fate decreed that I was born in London and raised as an Englishman, but I totally agree with Rog's observation about plastic Irish, particularly in the U.S. where the most tenuous connection seems to be clung to a a passport to credibility...

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/how-to-pretend-to-be-irish-on-st-patricks-day

Off to Derry in a fortnight come to think of it.

Two out of four letters correct isn't bad I suppose

Keshav · Nov 13, 2013

Austin

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http://www.amazon.com/Gonzo-Hunter-S-Thompson/dp/B002ECEEG8

Probably worth your money.

Thanks. Gotta have it.

chopperman · Nov 13, 2013

14X

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You must be somewhere near me. I'm about 10 minutes away from Burley. I still love the place, but maybe that's because I go there for the enjoyment, not because I have to. I still get a massive grin every time I have to give way for a horse (even more so if it then leads me down the road) The New Forest is just enough of a departure from the norm for me still that I can enjoy rambling around geocaching and eating lunch with the horses (we don't share said lunch) Some good pubs too. And Beaulieu.

Lyndhurst can .... right off though.

I realise that all makes me sound like a complete geek, but .... it. You probably all figured that out a while ago.

Lyndhurst has changed a lot since i was a kid. I use to head to boltons bench when it snowed as did most kids lol. Its was a little village with the highlight being the camping shop just past the hotel. Now its more like a rich man' area with the Ferrari dealership and tacky souvenir shops. Do sell good mead tho. Ashurst has changed a lot too. I'm now in the Bitterne area but as a kid the New Forest was my play ground.

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 13, 2013

Garbin

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Two out of four letters correct isn't bad I suppose

It was supposed to be subtly insinuated not telegraphed - Garbin, I'm disappointed at you...I'd be forgiven for thinking you were from the U.S. yourself if I didn't know better. Been watching too many ......' Adam Sandler films lately? Kesh, there's another for your list! a fine example of American culture alongside, Mel Brookes, Chevy Chase and National Lampoons.

yakamoto san · Nov 13, 2013

yakamoto san

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final test Wednesday

.... me bradders where did that come from!

Honda hmmm

1.        Marc Marquez        ESP    Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)        1m    30.287s        (Lap 54/56)

2.        Bradley Smith        GBR    Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)        1m    30.598s        (35/36)

3.        Stefan Bradl        GER    LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V)        1m    30.868s        (20/54)

4.        Dani Pedrosa        ESP    Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)        1m    30.992s        (32/70)

5.        Alvaro Bautista        ESP    Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V)        1m    31.229s        (57/58)

6.        Pol Espargaro        ESP    Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)        1m    31.533s        (12/28)

7.        Andrea Iannone        ITA    Energy T.I. Pramac Racing (GP13)        1m    31.594s        (49/69)

8.        Aleix Espargaro        ESP    NGM Forward Racing (FTR-Yamaha M1)        1m    31.644s        (45/49)

9.        Andrea Dovizioso        ITA    Ducati Team (GP13)        1m    31.716s        (33/36)

10.        Cal Crutchlow        GBR    Ducati Team (GP13)        1m    31.875s        (44/54)

11.        Michele Pirro        ITA    Ducati Test Team (GP13)        1m    31.883s        (47/58)

12.        Nicky Hayden        USA    Power Electronics Aspar (Honda RCV1000R)        1m    32.123s        (37/40)

13.        Hiroshi Aoyama        JPN    Power Electronics Aspar (Honda RCV1000R)        1m    32.530s        (27/60)

14.        Michael Laverty        GBR    Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART)        1m    33.055s        (43/44)

so don't we do bike talk now the racing has done?

Garbin · Nov 13, 2013

Arrabbiata1

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It was supposed to be subtly insinuated not telegraphed - Garbin, I'm disappointed at you...I'd be forgiven for thinking you were from the U.S. yourself if I didn't know better. Been watching too many ......' Adam Sandler films lately? Kesh, there's another for your list! a fine example of American culture alongside, Mel Brookes, Chevy Chase and National Lampoons.

Arab, I'm hurt that you could think so low of me :wounded1:

Anyway, no way you could be a Celt. Even a tall specimen of the Celt tribe would struggle to be much above 5ft tall and unless you ride mini-motos in the photos you've posted on here I'm guessing you're easily over 6ft.

Garbin · Nov 13, 2013

yakamoto san

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so don't we do bike talk now the racing has done?

OK. ...... off to see Cal will be trailing one place behind Dovi again all of next season...

chopperman · Nov 13, 2013

Arrabbiata1

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Britain has seen invasions by the Romans; a wave of successive Germanic settlement by the Saxons, Angles and Jutes; Viking and Nordic incursion - chiefly the Danes; The Norman Conquest - and although this had huge influence on the language - there is strong evidence to suggest that much of it barely made a ripple on the gene pool and indeed many English can be traced back to Neolithic Hunter Gatherers.

I meanwhile am a complete celt...(at least I think that's what they told me).

On the Welsh side my ancestors can be traced back to ancient settlements around Ceredigion (Welsh is the oldest language in Britain - approximately 4,000 years since it's earliest origins and amongst the oldest spoken languages in Europe.) http://www.discoverceredigion.co.uk/English/more/story/Pages/Hillforts-and-heroes.aspx

The other side is Nolan - a clan from the original O Nuallian. That side of the my family's earliest roots are traced back to the 12 century when various clans established a stronghold from the Normans in the Wicklow Mountains. Not sure before that, but that was how they came to settle in Dublin.

Not so romantic most would suppose, given that fate decreed that I was born in London and raised as an Englishman, but I totally agree with Rog's observation about plastic Irish, particularly in the U.S. where the most tenuous connection seems to be clung to a a passport to credibility...but tragically the English aren't immune to it either -

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/how-to-pretend-to-be-irish-on-st-patricks-day

Off to Derry in a fortnight come to think of it.

That's Londonderry arrab ! lol. I don't profess to be pure English as genes go. My grandmother (mothers side) was Scottish (clan Mcloud) which makes me the Crest of the chiefs as i'm first male . Because of this pete and me are joined by blood as clansmen. I also have Irish (great grandfather mothers side) and Italian (great grandmother) from fathers side. I was born in England as was my mother and father and 3 out of 4 grand parents. I call myself English, not Irish or Scottish and definitely not Italian lol. Yet these American plastic Irish can only trace back Irish roots 7 generations back yet are proud irish and even raising funds "for the cause".

chopperman · Nov 13, 2013

yakamoto san

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so don't we do bike talk now the racing has done?

Talk about what you like mate. Where bad ... anarchists here.

14X · Nov 13, 2013

Garbin

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OK. ...... off to see Cal will be trailing one place behind Dovi again all of next season...

Not necessarily. Dovi has had a year trying to polish that turd already, so he's probably adapted to a lot of it's foibles already. Besides, he's hardly ..... I wouldn't expect Cal to bury him.

Cal said the bike feels a lot different to what he's used to and will need to change his riding style to suit. Also, that's still this(last) year's Duc. The whole point of Cal riding it is so that he can work out exactly what he doesn't like about it so that he can help develop it.

I genuinely belive the 2014 Ducati will be something else entirely. Whether it'll be a good something else is something we'll have to wait and see.

14X · Nov 13, 2013

chopperman

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Talk about what you like mate. Where bad ... anarchists here.

Do the rest of us Brits a favour and casually excuse yourself next time we have a grammar battle.

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