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Phillip Island Test 2017

Lorenzo is not going to retire. Most likely if he doesn't re-up at Ducati, he'll be back at Yamaha in 2019, or if VR retires and sets up a satellite team, you may see him on that M1.

Stoner is hardly the issue here IMO, and he makes for a convenient scapegoat. The problem remains that Ducati cannot make a chassis that is more in line with either Yamaha or Suzuki, and is currently more in line with the RC213V chassis...hence my belief Marquez is the only rider on the grid that has the skill to win not just races, but a world title for Ducati. It is also possible that the GP18 will be the bike that gets the handling squared away as it was never going to be realistic to expect the GP17 to be built with Lorenzo's preferences taken fully into account given he wasn't able to ride the GP16 till the season ended. Possibility exists for a B spec chassis to show up later in the season.

That has few to do with frame and much more with engine layout.

Ducati can never make their bike turn like Yamaha unless they redesign the engine to be an inline-4 thus allowing for a much shorter wheel base. A shorter bike means a more agile bike in the middle of the corner, but more unstable either.

But they will never do that. Also, Honda engine is more compact than Ducati's even using the same layout (V90).

Ducati have the worst turning in the whole grid thanks to their engine being big (and heavier), so full of pieces and complexity (maybe desmodromic system add to that too).
 
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I think there is a way for Ducati getting a much better turning: using aerodynamics.

If regulation thus allow, they could built a hull capable of develop air pressure on the side opposite to the curve, working something like a "lateral wing", pushing the bike to the inside of the corner, countering understeer.

But to do that, they would have to completely cease the other side "lateral wing" while on the curve, but I think it's possible using a pendulum-port or something like that, to close the air entrance on the side you must cancel air pressure.

It's a good idea I had.

Dalligna should hire me. LOL
 
Regretting spending £20 odd on the preseason pass. Could have got Malaysia for free on BT Sport Extra and 3rd night in a row trying to view some footage of Phillip Island and either looping interviews or nothing available. Frustrating but at least the wait is nearly over.
 
A few pics from different sources

Jack say g'day mate.
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Looking a bit second hand
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JL hanging it out with MV close by
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And yet again, Lukey Heights provides a stunning photograph - Ianonne
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Times at 11:25

1 25 M. VIÑALES 01:28.5
2 93 M. MARQUEZ 0.295
3 94 J. FOLGER 0.493
4 4 A. DOVIZIOSO 0.699
5 43 J. MILLER 0.809
6 41 A. ESPARGARO 0.851
7 46 V. ROSSI 0.921
8 29 A. IANNONE 1.023
9 42 A. RINS 1.094
10 99 J. LORENZO 1.103
11 5 J. ZARCO 1.12
12 26 D. PEDROSA 1.247
13 35 C. CRUTCHLOW 1.359
14 19 A. BAUTISTA 1.434
15 9 D. PETRUCCI 1.726
16 44 P. ESPARGARO 1.763
17 17 K. ABRAHAM 1.903
18 22 S. LOWES 1.932
19 38 B. SMITH 2.141
20 76 L. BAZ 2.246
21 45 S. REDDING 2.268
22 8 H. BARBERA 2.391
 
I believe Crutchlow just clashed with Rins who was tailgating him. Rins is down. Crutchlow went off track and then got back and carried on.

Wouldn't think too much of that ordinarily but given Crutchlow's recent angry rants about towing, there may have been an incident of some sort .
 
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Need a facebook account to view but gallery of test pics

Need to have a facebook account but some awesome pics from one of the photographers who attended - https://www.facebook.com/AndrewGosling.tbgsport/

Some of the photographer's pics can be seen above but the gallery is very good - if I could get in high res, I will
 
JLo isn't adapting to either the Michelin or the Ducati as fast as a he needs, and in my view having Stoner as a test rider isnt going to help JLo at all. Ducati need to dump Stoner, and only listen to JLo's needs (aka make the ducati into a yamaha) in order for JLo to have any chance of getting near a podium let alone a win in the next 2 years....

Also, Stoner as test rider is not going to help Lorenzo at all....it may actually hurt JLo's chances of finding a right direction and actually frustrate him further....

I think if he doesnt win or come close to winning in the next 2 years he will look at retiring at end of his contract...

Last season I was actually wondering wtf Stoner was doing as a test rider, for Ducati of all teams. Now I think I'm just beginning to understand. Pov has already stated it straight to the point in true Pov style. Howerever to revise when he wanted to pull a fast lap out of his ..., Stoner went out and did it. As a retired rider. Nowhere near race fit. We gloss over it but riding at that speed requires absolute precise reflexes, in the body and in the mind. Fully focussed, no fear. One mistake, its all over. We admire the bravery of Marquez, the risks he takes, but for a retired rider to go faster? Here comes this guy not ridden a MotoGP race in years and he simply tops the time sheets at will? .... me.

He refused to wildcard last year and I put .... on him for not being a team player. I take it all back. Back in 2009 he left Ducati because they chased Lorenzo. Since he left in 2010 Ducati, despite the influx of much more cash, stealing a head engineer, a totally revamped bike, and now finally a multi time champ on it, more championships than Stoner. Race fit. All that. Slower. Like every other rider that threw a leg over the Duc. I've always had this long running dissagreement with J4rno even though he no longer posts these days I continue the arguement. He thinks the 2007 and all other Ducatis just happened to suit Stoner. He thinks they needed Rossi to show them the way. Without Rossi the bike would never have improved. Is this improved? I say absolute ......... Stoner states it clearly. The first ride he ever had on the Duc his first reaction was wtf. The bike was a dog. The screamer engine was wild and vibrated so bad in his words it would rattle your fillings loose. It suited Stoner no better than any other rider including our so called Goat. Stoner is a ....... genious on a bike.

Cathcart tested the 2007 bikes and found Stoners setup very odd. Not like a race bike at all. In fact Stoner recalls he argued vehemently with the team to set the bike up this way. The pig wouldn't turn. All the setup guys and conventional wisdom said to make it turn, put more weight on the front. Pitch the bike forward. Raise the rear.

Stoner did the complete opposite. He lowered the rear. He raised the bars. He dropped the footpegs. Cathcart quoted "is this a chopper?". Barry machine will understand this. You put the bars high and the pegs low and the ... low because you plan to manhandle and rear wheel steer that ....... pig around corners like your riding a bucking bronco, or your going to ride it speedway style. But no rider does that on tarmac, not like Stoner did. They all tried, including the GOAT, they all got off shaking their head saying how did he do it?

So let's remember Rossi rode the Duc. Crashslow, Melandri etc etc. It's early days and Lorenzo has ridden the Duc and he's confused. I don't blame him. The average normal human rider takes at least a year to figure it out, even this Gigi designed one. It's still an enigma of sorts.

As for Stoner, why wildcard? They insulted him in 2009 putting a massive offer in for Lorenzo. Now they have Lorenzo. He's slower than Stoner, just like Rossi was slower than Stoner. So why wildcard for the .......s, just rub their noses in it. If we still can't understand what we witnessed those years from 2007 to 2010 whats the point trying to prove it yet again now? He already did, as a test rider, he's faster than Lorenzo. Good luck to you Ducati, you let the one in a hundred years rider get away.
 
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It appears the new Honda "big bang" is having the desired results.Not the fastest bike on the grid, but the fastest by a long shot over distance. This has been the scenario at all 3 tests so far, near the top in out right lap speed, but in a class of its own at race pace. From all indications, Marquez never went for a time attack at PI and is now saying that they found the magic bullet in the electronics yesterday that they have been looking for.
 

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It appears the new Honda "big bang" is having the desired results.Not the fastest bike on the grid, but the fastest by a long shot over distance. This has been the scenario at all 3 tests so far, near the top in out right lap speed, but in a class of its own at race pace. From all indications, Marquez never went for a time attack at PI and is now saying that they found the magic bullet in the electronics yesterday that they have been looking for.

Not that Vinales doesn't obviously have speed, but I've taking his fastest lap times each day with a grain of salt as he might be out there trying to prove something to himself and others, such as that he "belongs" on the Yamaha. Like I've said, I'm not drinking the Vinales Kool-Aid right now. He's talented yes, but I'm not really convinced he is at MM's level. Those long run average laps from MM are interesting. The only drawback with them is that Phillip Island has always been a great rider's circuit, so I don't know how this stuff is going to translate over to other circuits like Jerez where the Honda struggled last season, or even to the season opener at Losail which has been very kind to both Ducati and Yamaha over the past couple of years.
 
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Marquez also showed the best race pace at Sepang. I'm in the same boat as JPS though even though it has beeen Vinaeles topping the time charts from everything I have read and seen it's Marquez and Honda who are looking ominous. I doubt it mindgames when Rossi comes out and says Marquezs race pace is much more of a worry than Mavericks who's pace dramatically slows on used tyres. Marquez did over 200 laps during the last 2 days which indicates to me that he is taking testing as testing and not a .... showing contest.


There's still another test to come and the bike has clearly improved and will likely make another small step forward by Qatar. It might not be as dominant as 2014 but I think this year is going to be a race for second for everyone else.
 
Well, apparently Ducati couldn't solve their turning issue. At most they have softened the problem but not solving it completely.

Back some years ago I raised the question about canonizing D'aligna as the Messianic leader Ducati needed. Well, have just read in SpeedWeek, Dovi is tired too: "This is disturbing".

10 years. 10 years have past and Ducati couldn't make a bike to turn properly. A lot of change in staff, engineers gone and came, and still the same .... as always.

MotoGP is not a great field for Ducati philosophies.
 
Marquez and Pedrosa are testing in Jerez next week. It's unclear if other Honda riders will be there or not. It's a shame it's a private test because I would love to see the times.
 
Marquez also showed the best race pace at Sepang. I'm in the same boat as JPS though even though it has beeen Vinaeles topping the time charts from everything I have read and seen it's Marquez and Honda who are looking ominous. I doubt it mindgames when Rossi comes out and says Marquezs race pace is much more of a worry than Mavericks who's pace dramatically slows on used tyres. Marquez did over 200 laps during the last 2 days which indicates to me that he is taking testing as testing and not a .... showing contest.


There's still another test to come and the bike has clearly improved and will likely make another small step forward by Qatar. It might not be as dominant as 2014 but I think this year is going to be a race for second for everyone else.
Whats odd is neither Honda or Ducati has shown their internal wings as yet. Im wondering if they are going to let Yamaha and Suzuki spend themselves into oblivion chasing aero while they go in another direction
 
Marquez also showed the best race pace at Sepang. I'm in the same boat as JPS though even though it has beeen Vinaeles topping the time charts from everything I have read and seen it's Marquez and Honda who are looking ominous. I doubt it mindgames when Rossi comes out and says Marquezs race pace is much more of a worry than Mavericks who's pace dramatically slows on used tyres. Marquez did over 200 laps during the last 2 days which indicates to me that he is taking testing as testing and not a .... showing contest.


There's still another test to come and the bike has clearly improved and will likely make another small step forward by Qatar. It might not be as dominant as 2014 but I think this year is going to be a race for second for everyone else.

As has been said I also don't think there is any desire from MM/HRC to dominate testing by a second a lap in terms of fastest lap. HRC have been there and done that and ended up having their bike hobbled for the forthcoming season. They don't even need to have the fastest one lap pace in any case, just a bike which is competitive and without major flaws and MM will win on it anyway.
 
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Whats odd is neither Honda or Ducati has shown their internal wings as yet. Im wondering if they are going to let Yamaha and Suzuki spend themselves into oblivion chasing aero while they go in another direction

Im wondering if Honda are too worried about aero. If they have their acceleration issues sorted they may think having no wings makes the bike easier to ride over race distance could pay off as the Honda riders may not fatigue as much and be able to keep a faster pace towards the end of the race? It could simply be that Honda is more worried at the moment about getting their engine sorted properly and less variables may make the data more consistent?

They may test the wings at their private test next week and debut them come round 1 at Qatar.