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Phillip Island GP 2011: Predictions, Practice, Qual

Yeah we only have 17 bikes on the grid with a possibility of 13 for next season because gp is flooded with sponsors who want to advertise to all the people watching. I guess u would believe me if I pissed down your back and told you it was raining.
BarryMachine said:
no you halfwit ....... it would seem, given that folk just keep whinging about there being "no close racing" and the fact that they are still watching ........ they obviously love good riding and "whatever type of win" ..........



in the end:



if Rossi runs away with it ........ its fine by the Rossifans



if Hayden runs away with it ........ its fine by the Hayden fans



if Spies runs away with it .........



if Stoner runs away with it .......





so STFU and watch and enjoy or ................... piss off and let those who enjoy it watch without the sooking in the background
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PS.... good to have you back Jaz ..... with Talps/Nino/Choc/Goaty and the rest of the Eton boys not being here, it was all getting a bit "blaze'" ......... bringon the fairytales I say!
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hawkdriver said:
Yeah we only have 17 bikes on the grid with a possibility of 13 for next season because gp is flooded with sponsors who want to advertise to all the people watching. I guess u would believe me if I pissed down your back and told you it was raining.
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No doubt that the current bikes are both too expensive and not conducive to close racing. If the whole thing can only survive if rossi is winning then it is based on quicksand anyway though.
 
take out stoner and ever rider in the top10 is within 0.5 seconds of each other. Hayden did a flyer got to top 3, then such is the competition, tumbled to 6th. Pedrosa could only manage 8th! Comon competition is friggen tight.
 
It has nothing to do with who is winning. It's about entertainment and with a small grid and the rules only favoring factory bikes, things were eventually going to catch up. 4 million for just the bike then another 10-15 for personell and logistics. That's for a sat team that isn't going to get on a podium. In reality they can't even compete with a 4 million leased bike, there are better ways to spend advert money. The yellow army isn't big enough to prop up gp especially with the sport moving in the opposite direction of the current world economy.
michaelm said:
No doubt that the current bikes are both too expensive and not conducive to close racing. If the whole thing can only survive if rossi is winning then it is based on quicksand anyway though.
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Geo Nerd said:
How long until fans start showing up wearing a Rossi-themed shirt and.... a paper bag over their heads?
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Outch!
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In Rossi's defense, he's on an awful bike (though partly due to his own development, I think). Nicky managed to qual 6th, on a track that he's had pole at twice, and thrice been on the podium, and a 4th last year (I remember this because he was nipped at the end by Rossi, errr). Rossi has had an even better record there, only three times being off the podium in his entire career. Ducati also has a good record (albeit with Stoner), and I think only once not been on the podium (Sete in 4th). So something is not right with the bike. And les you forget, Rossi is injured...
 
Geo Nerd said:
Unfortunately this isn't 2007. Back in 2007, Rossi was actually applying himself and trying everything he could to win. He never gave up.



Without bashing, I honestly think his head has completely imploded. Perhaps it can be re-inflated, but with the entire team wallowing in confusion, I'm not at all sure this will happen while he rides the Ducati.
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I think Rossi was applying himself, for about half the season. And once he saw that all the major changes they made resulting in no improvement, the human self doubt set in, something he has never really dealt with in his career. Its interesting that this thing "broke" Melandri, and I've contended that Rossi is very similar to Marco (the difference being most thought it was Marco's fault where Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt). Now Marco is slapping Biaggi around in Wsbk, so at least Melandri has his confidence back. Ducati is a career killer, from Melandri, to Rossi, to Capirossi, to Sete, to even wildcard riders like Cudlin. The only one that was successful was Stoner. And the only other guy not mentally broken is Nicky. Partly because he a country bumbkin that only knows how to try harder when things go bad. Poor dumb ........
 
Goatboy said:
.... me, a major medical break through, positive proof that mental retardation is infectious. ^
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Its the only thing that makes me cringe when making positive statements about Stoner, that it emboldens the forum pariah.
 
bluegreen said:
Possible Rossi and Co. have said "well this season is in the ......., let's test stuff."? Strange, two weeks ago things were looking up and now at a track both Ducati and Rossi have both performed very well at in the past he's cruising around in 13th? Seems odd.
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Yup. If you read Motomatters pre-event post, you will see a very hopeful prediction for Ducati at PI. Despite the crash at Motegi, Rossi looked to be in upward swing. Read the Friday round up and its back to Ducati's struggles. I think this is where the despondence comes from. A human can only take so much of an emotional roller coaster.
 

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hahahaa Very funny. Man, I miss the good old days when Rossi was killing everybody, the forum was way better. I actually miss the Boppers, as they were not as bad as the new crop of Boners. My dream for next season is that Ducati get their .... together, and we have an 06 like season (with the same result of course). But having Rossi, Nicky, challenging Stoner and Lorenzo (and Pedro crashing into himself) would just be sublime.
 
Jumkie said:
I think Rossi was applying himself, for about half the season. And once he saw that all the major changes they made resulting in no improvement, the human self doubt set in, something he has never really dealt with in his career. Its interesting that this thing "broke" Melandri, and I've contended that Rossi is very similar to Marco (the difference being most thought it was Marco's fault where Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt). Now Marco is slapping Biaggi around in Wsbk, so at least Melandri has his confidence back. Ducati is a career killer, from Melandri, to Rossi, to Capirossi, to Sete, to even wildcard riders like Cudlin. The only one that was successful was Stoner. And the only other guy not mentally broken is Nicky. Partly because he a country bumbkin that only knows how to try harder when things go bad. Poor dumb ........
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Yea, that whole work ethic thing is for the birds, join a union Nick, you will never have to actually work again
 
Jumkie said:
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In Rossi's defense, he's on an awful bike (though partly due to his own development, I think). Nicky managed to qual 6th, on a track that he's had pole at twice, and thrice been on the podium, and a 4th last year (I remember this because he was nipped at the end by Rossi, errr). Rossi has had an even better record there, only three times being off the podium in his entire career. Ducati also has a good record (albeit with Stoner), and I think only once not been on the podium (Sete in 4th). So something is not right with the bike. And les you forget, Rossi is injured...
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Maybe Krop can help me with this. Cudlin didnt get within 107% of pole time, but they are saying he can race because he was within 107% of a time set over the weekend. Is that the rule, or is Dorna just throwing rules to the side to get bikes on the grid
 
povol said:
Maybe Krop can help me with this. Cudlin didnt get within 107% of pole time, but they are saying he can race because he was within 107% of a time set over the weekend. Is that the rule, or is Dorna just throwing rules to the side to get bikes on the grid
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That's an interesting question, and its one I quite didn't understand with, dare I say it, Marc Marquez. I'm sure its written somewhere, and I'd guess its probably something like the provisional starts in the AMA. Keep in mind Cudlin qualified last race, not sure if this has anything to do with it though.



Btw, did you see Cudlin's face in the garage? You just got to feel for that guy. I hope he finishes in the points tomorrow, I think it will make for a good human story. I like the guy, he's been very humble and thankful in all his interviews.
 
povol said:
Yea, that whole work ethic thing is for the birds, join a union Nick, you will never have to actually work again
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Pov,



Maybe, just maybe, it's time to consider cutting back on your daily (over)dose of Limbaugh and company?

Overexposure can produce a mutant form of Tourette's.

"Liberal!"

"Goddamned Welfare State!"

"....... unions!"



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Jumkie said:
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In Rossi's defense, he's on an awful bike (though partly due to his own development, I think). Nicky managed to qual 6th, on a track that he's had pole at twice, and thrice been on the podium, and a 4th last year (I remember this because he was nipped at the end by Rossi, errr). Rossi has had an even better record there, only three times being off the podium in his entire career. Ducati also has a good record (albeit with Stoner), and I think only once not been on the podium (Sete in 4th). So something is not right with the bike. And les you forget, Rossi is injured...
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Enuf excuses. That's this guy's job.
 

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povol said:
Maybe Krop can help me with this. Cudlin didnt get within 107% of pole time, but they are saying he can race because he was within 107% of a time set over the weekend. Is that the rule, or is Dorna just throwing rules to the side to get bikes on the grid
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Apparently there is 'discretion' and as he had posted a series of high 1:33 earlier they are letting him race at the Clerk of Course discretion.





As for the way he looked (mentioned by Jums).



I missed it but apparently he had a massive highside (heard this from the track - have not seen a report) that was described as putting him into the flight path overhead, so you could say he was mighty sore I suspect (but like Spies), plus the bike needed lots of repairs.



Cudlin is a 'feel good' story for my way of thinking so like most I hope he gets a good result.









Gaz
 
Jumkie said:
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In Rossi's defense, he's on an awful bike (though partly due to his own development, I think). Nicky managed to qual 6th, on a track that he's had pole at twice, and thrice been on the podium, and a 4th last year (I remember this because he was nipped at the end by Rossi, errr). Rossi has had an even better record there, only three times being off the podium in his entire career. Ducati also has a good record (albeit with Stoner), and I think only once not been on the podium (Sete in 4th). So something is not right with the bike. And les you forget, Rossi is injured...
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His development is ultimately limited to providing indications as to what the bike is/isn't doing well, and the order of importance of those limitations/strengths. It's up to the factory to give the correct response to these indications.



It's a team effort - without the correct indications, you can't respond correctly. And vice versa, of course. My feeling based on Vale's record is that Ducati is not providing the correct solutions to the problems Rossi/Hayden are finding.
 
Jumkie said:
I think Rossi was applying himself, for about half the season. And once he saw that all the major changes they made resulting in no improvement, the human self doubt set in, something he has never really dealt with in his career. Its interesting that this thing "broke" Melandri, and I've contended that Rossi is very similar to Marco (the difference being most thought it was Marco's fault where Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt). Now Marco is slapping Biaggi around in Wsbk, so at least Melandri has his confidence back. Ducati is a career killer, from Melandri, to Rossi, to Capirossi, to Sete, to even wildcard riders like Cudlin. The only one that was successful was Stoner. And the only other guy not mentally broken is Nicky. Partly because he a country bumbkin that only knows how to try harder when things go bad. Poor dumb ........
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Yeah, with a problematic shoulder, he was still battling with Spies in the first race. Then, he was fighting for the win at Jerez (really slicing through the pack). After that, he was right on the pace at Estoril (right on the back of the pack). Then, he beat Lorenzo to the podium at Le Mans.



His results have not improved; it's actually the opposite...so I agree that there is a mental issue here.
 

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