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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 2 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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says the man that's never argued....lol
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 2 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>says the man that's never argued....lol


it's not an argument if im never wrong
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Hey, new here. Nice forum you've got....

I think the poor fuel consuption issue (and warning light) resulted from innatention to Nicky's electronics package. I'd guess he and Pedrosa had VERY different electronic setups/gear even before the switch to pnumatic. The new engine further exacerbated this divide. Rider X seems to suggest HRC is going down the road of 'two way telemetry'. That doesn't suit Hayden and may have caused the rift after the switch to 800cc. I think they want Hayden to win, but also want him to develop in a way isn't willing to. So they have to focus on Danny.

For the record, I think Danny is scum but I don't think he crashed into Nicky on purpose/orders in 2006. He just let ambition/arrogance obscure good judgment.

-Buell XB9R
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 2 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, new here. Nice forum you've got....

I think the poor fuel consuption issue (and warning light) resulted from innatention to Nicky's electronics package. I'd guess he and Pedrosa had VERY different electronic setups/gear even before the switch to pnumatic. The new engine further exacerbated this divide. Rider X seems to suggest HRC is going down the road of 'two way telemetry'. That doesn't suit Hayden and may have caused the rift after the switch to 800cc. I think they want Hayden to win, but also want him to develop in a way isn't willing to. So they have to focus on Danny.

For the record, I think Danny is scum but I don't think he crashed into Nicky on purpose/orders in 2006. He just let ambition/arrogance obscure good judgment.

-Buell XB9R
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you will fit in here i reckon. personly i like him as a rider but dont like his persona
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 2 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome on board, nice to have reinforcements.

Where are all these Texas people coming from suddenly?
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i've been stuck in these texas ........ forums where they cant tell a GP bike from a cow patty
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 2 2008, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome on board, nice to have reinforcements.

Where are all these Texas people coming from suddenly?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 2 2008, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say from Texas
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 2 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, new here. Nice forum you've got....

I think the poor fuel consuption issue (and warning light) resulted from innatention to Nicky's electronics package. I'd guess he and Pedrosa had VERY different electronic setups/gear even before the switch to pnumatic. The new engine further exacerbated this divide. Rider X seems to suggest HRC is going down the road of 'two way telemetry'. That doesn't suit Hayden and may have caused the rift after the switch to 800cc. I think they want Hayden to win, but also want him to develop in a way isn't willing to. So they have to focus on Danny.

For the record, I think Danny is scum but I don't think he crashed into Nicky on purpose/orders in 2006. He just let ambition/arrogance obscure good judgment.

-Buell XB9R
Welcome friend.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 2 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, new here. Nice forum you've got....

I think the poor fuel consuption issue (and warning light) resulted from innatention to Nicky's electronics package. I'd guess he and Pedrosa had VERY different electronic setups/gear even before the switch to pnumatic. The new engine further exacerbated this divide. Rider X seems to suggest HRC is going down the road of 'two way telemetry'. That doesn't suit Hayden and may have caused the rift after the switch to 800cc. I think they want Hayden to win, but also want him to develop in a way isn't willing to. So they have to focus on Danny.

For the record, I think Danny is scum but I don't think he crashed into Nicky on purpose/orders in 2006. He just let ambition/arrogance obscure good judgment.

-Buell XB9R

right on man....welcome.....yeah Benson alluded to this in a recent interview saying that the electronics were completely foreign to them....no baseline....so a fault like this was nearly expected....he just hated that it happened at the last possible second to hurt Nicky....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 2 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, new here. Nice forum you've got....

I think the poor fuel consuption issue (and warning light) resulted from innatention to Nicky's electronics package. I'd guess he and Pedrosa had VERY different electronic setups/gear even before the switch to pnumatic. The new engine further exacerbated this divide.

Shouldn't the new engine been more fuel efficient.

and i thought these bikes either had something on the dash so they knew how much fuel they had left, or an engine managment system to automatically slow the bike down to make it to the end of the race.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 4 2008, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't the new engine been more fuel efficient.
You'd think that they would be more efficient considering they dropped displacement, but in order to make up the power difference, they could be running richer than the 990's or using multiple injector rails to add acceleration. Makes you wish you could get in there and work with the mechanics huh?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 4 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't the new engine been more fuel efficient.

It's suppose to be. But, it also makes MORE power, thus requiring more gas....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>and i thought these bikes either had something on the dash so they knew how much fuel they had left, or an engine management system to automatically slow the bike down to make it to the end of the race.

At a track like Assen, all the bikes are fuel limited. The bikes' electronics vary the mixture from corner to corner, striving to provide the best compromise between smooth power (and lots of it!) and fuel efficiency. Here's what I suspect happened: The ECU's main fuel mapping/delivery loop most likely thinks in terms of injector pulse width. (It is not thinking "I need to inject 0.232 grams this time around.") It looks at engine sensors, throttle position, track position, gear, speed, etc., decides how much gas to squirt, and powers the injector for the appropriate length of time. Now, I'll betcha that another, entirely separate software loop is worried about total fuel consumption. It adds up total pulse time and tries to figure out how much gas as been burned. I'll also bet that the fuel injection system on the new engine is significantly different, and that the MPG tables and values from the springer won't work. It all comes down to fine tuning the fuel consumption parameters, and I think someone at Honda either made a mistake entering values, or was working with bad data of some sort. Or maybe is was a hardware issue; something like the fuel injector rail running a few PSI over spec, resulting in a slightly richer mix? In any case, the computer should never allow the bike to run dry. It was probably doing a fine job of utilizing the remaining fuel, and was as surprised (if Pedrobot can be surprised, so can an embedded u-controller!) as Nicky when the motor went ....-up.

Sound believable?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 2 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome on board, nice to have reinforcements.

Where are all these Texas people coming from suddenly?
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hehe.. been lurking a bit, just decided to sign up and chime in.

whatup curve?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 2 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, new here. Nice forum you've got....

I think the poor fuel consuption issue (and warning light) resulted from innatention to Nicky's electronics package. I'd guess he and Pedrosa had VERY different electronic setups/gear even before the switch to pnumatic. The new engine further exacerbated this divide. Rider X seems to suggest HRC is going down the road of 'two way telemetry'. That doesn't suit Hayden and may have caused the rift after the switch to 800cc. I think they want Hayden to win, but also want him to develop in a way isn't willing to. So they have to focus on Danny.

For the record, I think Danny is scum but I don't think he crashed into Nicky on purpose/orders in 2006. He just let ambition/arrogance obscure good judgment.

-Buell XB9R
I have the same thoughts too, on Nicky's bike/the team and the robot.
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I don't know,maybe the team made a last minute change in the mapping/setting traction control or something.In short,maybe they did just a very small mistake/misscalculation on this new/not suficiently tested engine and the mistake turned out to be big.After all Nicky convinced them he wanted to gamble and use this new enginge when the Honda people wasn't sure it was ready yet.(I'm saying Honda people because i know i have read it in an article but i'm not sure of the name or position of the guy that was interviewed from Honda)
On the other hand,the bike seems to be breaking down more often when the teams want to change the rider.Compared to the teams #1 rider.At least that's the impression i have got.
Anyway,every one saw what happened,so every one knows what Nicky himself accomplished,they have seen <u>his</u> abillity.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 2 2008, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i've been stuck in these texas ........ forums where they cant tell a GP bike from a cow patty

....... another one.
I guess it's true they are finally running electricity to there.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jul 5 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....... another one.
I guess it's true they are finally running electricity to there.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jul 5 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....... another one.
I guess it's true they are finally running electricity to there.
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Well if they were talking about the Kawi and a cow patty I can understand the confusion. lol
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 2 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>-Buell XB9R

Try something with a Rotax twin and you will say good by to Harley
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