Nicky Hayden running out of fuel

It's funny all the criticism Nicky is getting, People are forgetting how good of a rider Nicky was and he still is in my opinion (biased? probably but I don't care)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pacman @ Jul 10 2008, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's funny all the criticism Nicky is getting, People are forgetting how good of a rider Nicky was and he still is in my opinion (biased? probably but I don't care)


Nicky is sitting in a no win situation. he won the title but he doen't have many wins. He has the balls to try new things. but his team mate is beating him regularly. He IS an ex champion, but without the psycological upper hand of Vale or Stoner, with their runs of wins.

If he goes to Ducati and does well, it will be the bike, if he doesn't he will be eaten alive, If he stays with HRC he is "scared" if he goes he's been elbowed out by the young guns.

He's too young to walk away, but beginning to look like the new KRJR.

It's not a good time to be Nicky in my opinion.

Pete

I am not sure if this link has been posted before. But, it provides some insight into Nicky's relationship with HRC and American riders in MotoGP

http://www.speedtv.com/article_print_view/844943
http://www.speedtv.com/article_print_view/845513

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Hayden, in spite of winning the title for Honda in 2006, is in a team that is built around Dani Pedrosa and, with Pedrosa getting much better results both in 2007 and so far in 2008, Hayden is now the de facto second rider.
Nicky Hayden is being outperformed by Dani Pedrosa and both Pedrosa and his mentor Alberto Puig have said publicly that Hayden is unable to guide development of the RC212V. In fact, as most engineers would agree, it is difficult to develop one basic 321-pound motorcycle to suit both a 115 pound rider (Pedrosa) and the 155 pound American.

Hayden is likely to be replaced by a smaller rider with a 250 background. Hayden has his own destiny in his hands if he can turn his season around, but, in my personal opinion, he needs to get out of that team where he has never been the number one rider even when he was fighting for the title, and certainly not after he won it.
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Hayden has never been fully accepted, it seems, by HRC. That may be because the Japanese feel he was forced on them by American Honda. I believe that as long as Dani Pedrosa is at Honda, Hayden will always be regarded as a second rider by the manufacturer that he won the title for in 2006. Pedrosa has earned his current place by finishing second last season with an imperfect Honda and by coming back to run consistently at the front after missing the entire 2008 preseason due to an injury in Malaysia in post-season testing at the end of 2007—and after ending that season with a very convincing win at Valencia in the final race of the season, taking runner-up honors from Rossi who crashed there to lose second place just as he had in 2006 when he lost the title.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 10 2008, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky is sitting in a no win situation. he won the title but he doen't have many wins. He has the balls to try new things. but his team mate is beating him regularly. He IS an ex champion, but without the psycological upper hand of Vale or Stoner, with their runs of wins.

If he goes to Ducati and does well, it will be the bike, if he doesn't he will be eaten alive, If he stays with HRC he is "scared" if he goes he's been elbowed out by the young guns.

He's too young to walk away, but beginning to look like the new KRJR.

It's not a good time to be Nicky in my opinion.
Peter, that is an excellent post. Between a rock and a hard place. Damn, low times to be a Hayden fan. But I'll continue to be a fair-weather bandwagon fan all the way! Go Hayden!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jul 10 2008, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not sure if this link has been posted before. But, it provides some insight into Nicky's relationship with HRC and American riders in MotoGP

http://www.speedtv.com/article_print_view/844943
http://www.speedtv.com/article_print_view/845513


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Thanks for the link Crvlvr. Some would think I just imagined it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jul 10 2008, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not sure if this link has been posted before. But, it provides some insight into Nicky's relationship with HRC and American riders in MotoGP

http://www.speedtv.com/article_print_view/844943
http://www.speedtv.com/article_print_view/845513


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Interesting reading, thanks for posting those links.

Good read those articles. The more I read into the world of Moto GP, the more I think Mylexicon and his conspiracy theories are not that far from the truth. The manipulation to fill certain markets seems to override the desire to put the fastest guys on the best bikes and watch them duke it out. I suppose it's why WSBK's popularity is on such a rise, it seems a much more legitimate form of moto racing at present.

nicky has always been lucky to be how far he has gotten, the ultimate over acheiver. his results for the past 6 years, i even include 2006 represent his level of riding ability. 3 wins in 6 years says everything on the best machinery

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 10 2008, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nicky has always been lucky to be how far he has gotten, the ultimate over acheiver. his results for the past 6 years, i even include 2006 represent his level of riding ability. 3 wins in 6 years says everything on the best machinery

And one championship. More than most MOTOGP riders can say You can make anyone look bad if you leave out the important parts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 11 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And one championship. More than most MOTOGP riders can say You can make anyone look bad if you leave out the important parts.
hence why hes over acheived.

he was up aginst a teammate who was first year in motogp and rossi whos bike couldnt even make it to the finish line, and even then he nearly lost it, if not for rossi chocking

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 10 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nicky has always been lucky to be how far he has gotten, the ultimate over acheiver. his results for the past 6 years, i even include 2006 represent his level of riding ability. 3 wins in 6 years says everything on the best machinery



Well one thing you got going for you is you are consistent, that is, you are consistently head and shoulders above us all when it comes to the absurd. Many would say and have said Stoner won BECAUSE he was on the best bike. That theory has all but been debunked, yet here you use that same ridiculous idea to take a dig. Rather pathetic, eh.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 10 2008, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hence why hes over acheived.

he was up aginst a teammate who was first year in motogp and rossi whos bike couldnt even make it to the finish line, and even then he nearly lost it, if not for rossi chocking

Did you forget something?

Have you noticed you are the laughing stock and butt of all the jokes on this forum?

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%How is it that roles are reversed in bikes to cars?
What I mean is that Japanese cars, and goods in general, are the world leaders in electronics and technology. Especially in terms of reliability. Take an Italian car versus a Japanese car.
However here in MotoGP we have Ducati being tauted as the electronic guru's and their Japanese competitors looking not so Japanese.
Running out of fuel wasn't Nicky's doing.

I've got to jump in and say that while Nicky may not have the natural talent that Rossi has, his 2006 Championship is still there. Whats more, he beat 20+ of the worlds best riders, not just Rossi. It just irks me when people jump all over Hayden, the 20+ other riders by no means gave him his 06' title, to say Hayden didn't deserve it is a disgracing all those riders who finished below him.

Stepping off my soap box.

Damn...this thread has gone from how Nicky ran out of fuel on a prototype engine in one race to an all out analysis of who Nicky is as a rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 10 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn...this thread has gone

That what we do around here Doc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Jul 11 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%How is it that roles are reversed in bikes to cars?
What I mean is that Japanese cars, and goods in general, are the world leaders in electronics and technology. Especially in terms of reliability. Take an Italian car versus a Japanese car.
However here in MotoGP we have Ducati being tauted as the electronic guru's and their Japanese competitors looking not so Japanese.
Running out of fuel wasn't Nicky's doing.

In F1 the Japanese run their teams out of Europe, and still come of worse to the actual Europeans.

Have a look at the 2006 season review DVD if you have any doubts about Nicky's ability. The guy is a great rider, but obviously is struggling to ride a bike developed for a dwarf.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jul 11 2008, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have a look at the 2006 season review DVD if you have any doubts about Nicky's ability. The guy is a great rider, but obviously is struggling to ride a bike developed for a dwarf.
and we had a reminder of that in assen imo. honda finally gave him what he wanted and he was right back up there
anybody who holds the fuel issue against nicky is a ........... !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2008, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and we had a reminder of that in assen imo. honda finally gave him what he wanted and he was right back up there
anybody who holds the fuel issue against nicky is a ........... !


Don't hold back there roger!!!!!

Nicky earned his title in 06....If any of you remember, I actually posted the finishes for the year for Rossi and Hayden......I did pretty much a complete year analysis betweent he two.

Yes, Rossi won more, but he also had more no classifications that Nicky did......thus basically voiding out his wins.....

Hayden has finally started getting what HE wants for the bike and you can see the results......until the mechanics ... him out of podium.....that was OBVIOUSLY noy Nicky's fault.....

Hopefully he has a great result this weekend and thumbs his nose at some of his naysayers!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2008, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and we had a reminder of that in assen imo. honda finally gave him what he wanted and he was right back up there
anybody who holds the fuel issue against nicky is a ........... !

What big rodge said!