Nicky Hayden running out of fuel

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I remember reading Nicky saying that he had trouble convincing the team to let him run the engine because it wasn't ready. He promised them podiums in return or sometyhing.
That was prior to Donington. In order to race the pneumo engine, Hayden was told his results would need to be at the sharp end. I'm not sure what the consequences were if he continued on mediocre results but that's the jist of it. Also, he was told that once he switched, there would be no going back spring valves.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see your up to your lame posts again, oh wait, no change. I heard this idea before, that somehow because Hayden wanted and pushed for the engine, that if something went wrong it would be his fault. They “warned” him you say and "he wanted it tested or not"; what you imply is stupid. Honda engineers are big boys, and if they put something out its intended to perform. Implying that its Nicky's fault is grossly bias. This running out of fuel thing goes squarely on HRC (at least some engineer who ...... up at very least). You try to put it on Nicky is hogwash. The guy pushes for the latest development of engine (something that the other manufactures have done), and of all things it runs out of gas? That isn’t a matter of it NOT being ready; it’s a matter of shady and shoddy mapping. That .... is embarrassing to HRC!

You say if hadn’t been tested a race distance, then try to cover your stupid ignorant statement by the condition, well at least not in a race. Of course not in an actual race moron, but saying it has not been tested for race distance just shows how much of a buffoon you are.

The thing has been test and ‘should’ have been ready enough to finish a race with fuel. There is no way around that. And for God’s sakes, its certainly not Hayden’s fault it ran out of fuel.

Here is another conundrum. We know that fuel mapping can be adjusted on the fly by the team’s computers, if they do put it on conserve mode and Nicky drops back, the first to claim Nicky—the riders doesn’t have the pace would be people like you, yet, it could certainly be a conservation mode not allowing the bike to deliver the power to stay with the front runners. You claim you know a thing or two about telemetry and how it is effected by the electronic package of a bike during a race, but here you show your ..., as usual.

And yet with all your drivel and tripe ....... its still ran out of fuel .......

Are you denying Hayden was warned?

Are you denying Hayden hasn't been pressuring for it?

You are a barrel of inconsistencies Jumkie! ...... your are allways whinging that Pedrosa gets all the good stuff first as well ....... why didn't Pedrosa want the Pneumonda yet?

Wake up there Jumk.

On Hayden and the Pneumonda:

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new..._pneumatic.html

For all the drama involved, his results have been better with the pneumo. He still made it to the line 4th at Assen, after all. Yes, it was a near-disaster and yes he lost the podium, but it was still his best result of the season (well, tied for best but I'll rank it higher on account of him being solidly third right up until the last corner). Even with the presumably/potentially more serious problems at Donnington he wasn't doing worse than before.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 7 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They “warned” him you say and "he wanted it tested or not"; what you imply is stupid. Honda engineers are big boys, and if they put something out its intended to perform. Implying that its Nicky's fault is grossly bias.
fully agree, I dont THINK there is any way that HRC would let nick or anyone race with an engine that they dont have some confidence in. In the end, they (HRC) have the final say, so you'd have to say they are to blame.
Allowing a rider (other than the test rider they've been using) who is without a contract next season, and presumably who has one foot out the door to make final decisions on whether to race a new engine they dont believe to be ready, is LUDICROUS IMO

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 9 2008, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HRC would let nick or anyone race with an engine that they dont have some confidence in.


Well they let him race on a bike with SOME fuel in it ...... I would have thought that they should have at least had as much confidence as they should have put fuel in it ..... ie. Full confidence

Placing blame in this instance is ludicrous. Nicky wanted the motor, HRC said it wasn't ready but after hearing about it for countless rounds they gave in. Was it unfinished? Yeah, probably. Was it race-ready? Yeah, probably. Nicky should have probably known better than to ask Honda for parts when Honda said they weren't ready (remember 2005 when HRC said the 211V Evo would be given to Biaggi, Gibernau and Hayden for Brno only to find out during summer break testing that Biaggi and Gibs both thought the thing was a piece of ....?) and Honda probably should have known better than to give a part to a rider they didn't feel was ready. But if Nicky keeps asking then the egg will be on his face when it goes pear shaped, right?

After reading through this all, it seems as though people are making Hayden out to have finished behind Melandri. He ran out of gas and lost a podium, rode home in fourth. He lost out on what, three points in a season where points will mean very little to him. He made some sound progress and it will be interesting to see where that puts him going into his notoriously strong tracks of Sachsenring and Laguna.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no to get OT, but i was re-reading this thread, an NO ONE EVER WELCOMED ME TO THE FOURM
NOW, back OT
welcome

The thing that really sucks out of this whole incident, is that in the end, Nicky will prob leave HRC in 2009 having done all the grunt work of fixing the issues on the pneumo so that someone else can ride the wheels off of it and take the credit for putting it in parc ferme.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 9 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The thing that really sucks out of this whole incident, is that in the end, Nicky will prob leave HRC in 2009 having done all the grunt work of fixing the issues on the pneumo so that someone else can ride the wheels off of it and take the credit for putting it in parc ferme.

Hi Doc... I don't see any good things if Nicky does the opposite. He is a prof rider and what would you do if you were in his shoes? if he does better with PV machine, and then he goes out after that, at least he is proud of himself doing something in sincere.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blue Cielo @ Jul 9 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Doc... I don't see any good things if Nicky does the opposite. He is a prof rider and what would you do if you were in his shoes? if he does better with PV machine, and then he goes out after that, at least he is proud of himself doing something in sincere.
Oh absolutely. I was just pointing out the fact that in the end HRC will have used Nicky to develop the bike, rather than focus on what might have made him more successful this year. If the two objectives were aligned great, but with HRC I never think of them as the people in it to help the rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The thing that really sucks out of this whole incident, is that in the end, Nicky will prob leave HRC in 2009 having done all the grunt work of fixing the issues on the pneumo so that someone else can ride the wheels off of it and take the credit for putting it in parc ferme.

Which is why I'm hoping (in disagreement with quite a few Hayden fans) that he sticks around at Repsol for 2009 and shows the world what the pneumo Honda can do.

IMO, his chances are better on the pneumo than on the Duke.

[flamesuit on]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Jul 9 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which is why I'm hoping (in disagreement with quite a few Hayden fans) that he sticks around at Repsol for 2009 and shows the world what the pneumo Honda can do.

IMO, his chances are better on the pneumo than on the Duke.

[flamesuit on]
right there with you.

Im a nick fan, who would prefer that he stayed on at HRC despite how they've treated him

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 9 2008, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>right there with you.

Im a nick fan, who would prefer that he stayed on at HRC despite how they've treated him

.... that. I want him to go to Ducati and be up there with Casey. Then I want to see them try and develope the pneumo for Pedro, who has had a bad record with that engine, and fail miserably. I could just see Pedro demanding they develope the spring valve further with REPSOL backing him and Honda saying sorry thats as far as we can take it, ride the Pneumo. Dovi will be the unknown. I think that he could adapt rather well to the Hayden developed pneumo and do well with it. So it wouldn't be the complete satisfactory HRC ....... that they need over there.

This is in my Utopia

don't get me wrong, I wouldn't piss on HRC if they were on fire, but knowing nicks loyalty and his
desire ( I think) to stay with them, I kinda hope he would get what he wanted. I think he deserves it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 9 2008, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... that. I want him to go to Ducati and be up there with Casey.

For some reason I really just can't see that happening. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if he was "up there with Casey" every race, but judging by Ducati's record for the past few years I see a very different 2009 unfolding...one that is not beneficial for Nicky in the least.

As bad of a deal as Repsol Honda has been for him the past season and a half, for some reason I still think thats the best place for him.

Repsol Honda is one of the few teams that has enough cash to take development in two different directions, if thats what is required to clinch the manufacturers' points championship.

Based solely on the last race's results, I think Nicky has a decent chance for 2009. Of course a lot depends on how well he goes in the next few races. If he is consistently challenging for podiums on the pneumo for the rest of the season, as I predict he will be, then he should by all means stick with what he knows at Repsol rather than go to the big unknown of Ducati next season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Jul 9 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For some reason I really just can't see that happening. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if he was "up there with Casey" every race, but judging by Ducati's record for the past few years I see a very different 2009 unfolding...one that is not beneficial for Nicky in the least.

Thats why I put my disclaimer out there

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As bad of a deal as Repsol Honda has been for him the past season and a half, for some reason I still think thats the best place for him.

Nicky wouldn't be trying if he stayed with Honda. He knows they won't support a champioship run for him. Sometimes in this game you have to gamble a bit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Repsol Honda is one of the few teams that has enough cash to take development in two different directions, if thats what is required to clinch the manufacturers' points championship.

Don't think that the crappy economy won't affect Honda. There endless dollars stop somewhere.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Based solely on the last race's results, I think Nicky has a decent chance for 2009. Of course a lot depends on how well he goes in the next few races. If he is consistently challenging for podiums on the pneumo for the rest of the season, as I predict he will be, then he should by all means stick with what he knows at Repsol rather than go to the big unknown of Ducati next season.

I think it may be a too little too late for him. Dovi is a very juicy prospect. I am sure that Honda, like with Pedrosa, already have plans for him. They are probably going to develope a bike for him and have Nicky test it this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Jul 9 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which is why I'm hoping (in disagreement with quite a few Hayden fans) that he sticks around at Repsol for 2009 and shows the world what the pneumo Honda can do.

IMO, his chances are better on the pneumo than on the Duke.

[flamesuit on]
Tough to argue that his chances will be better on the Ducati, but if he IS able to get on that thing and ride it like Stoner does, as things sit right now, he'd be out on that Honda.

i will now have to declare: Nicky Hayden has taken top spot for the most OVERRATED RIDER ON THIS FORUM.

wake up guys and take off those glasses

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 9 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i will now have to declare: Nicky Hayden has taken top spot for the most OVERRATED RIDER ON THIS FORUM.

wake up guys and take off those glasses
I don't hear any sensible people here saying he's "INCREDIBLE" or "UNBELIEVABLE".....if that were the case I'd say he's overrated.....