Nakano on a factory RCV

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 24 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed.
Bet De Angelis doesn't get one as he has been going too quick.
Why is Haga in Superbikes and Nakano in Motogp?
I know who my money would be on if the 2 should race.
well dont forget haga spent 2 years in gp and only came 14th. shinya has had a 5th and 2 10th place finish's in the championship. we can argue one might have had a slightly better bike but imo not much in it. haga is a bloody good wsb rider no doubt but not better than shinya on a gp bike imho.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey guys, This thread is also discussed on another forum...
With that being said.... one of the points made there was DOVI IS PISSED that he didn't get the factory bike as HE WAS PROMISED...

I would say it isn't a big jump that HRC promised Dovi a factory ride this season just as Lorenzo has a factory ride. Dovi is pissed that he has been over looked.

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Nakano on the HRC. Why not. Japanese speaking, very consistent veteran, who has extensive bridgestone experience. HRC may be lookin to make the move to Bridgeston to keep Pedros/Puig happy if they cannot win on the Michelins.

Remember Pedrosa and Rossi both threatened and lobbyied for Bridgestones. If Stoner/Rossi wins this year (as it seems likely) and it comes down to Bridgestone out performing Michelin.
Dani will not be a happy camper and he and Puig will push for an HRC tyre switch.


Valentino has the clout to demand a tyre change. If Pedro and his mentor stamp their feet and demand a tyre change "or else" they may get told to not let the door hit your arses on the way out.

Bridgestone has said it cannot supply anymore teams.

I think the Michelin guys are painted into a bit of corner here and Pedro in his "economy of speech and expression" way can see that.

How's this for an idea. Japanese team (Honda) pushes for Japanese tyre manufacturer (Bridgestone) to drop European team (Ducati) and bring it all home to Japan?

Who would hazard a bet the question is being asked at some level

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 27 2008, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well dont forget haga spent 2 years in gp and only came 14th. shinya has had a 5th and 2 10th place finish's in the championship. we can argue one might have had a slightly better bike but imo not much in it. haga is a bloody good wsb rider no doubt but not better than shinya on a gp bike imho.
How much do you really count his year on the Aprilia? His year in 500s is worth considering, especially considering it was both of their GP rookie seasons and Shinya was markedly more successful, but it's still making a comparison based on one year. The Kwak sucked as well, but was it as bad as the Aprilia Haga rode?

It will be good to see if nakano can keep up his consistency. He should really start getting some decent points and have the bike to be able to atleast gain a couple of 4th places.

I'm convinced that Dovi is on a factory bike and has been all year.
If he is on the 07 bike than why is he faster on that bike than Dani was last year.
Here's Dovi's race times this year agains't Pedro's last year.
I threw out any races where it was wet and someone crashed.

Laguna- Dovi 44.40 Pedrosa 44.55 Dovi faster by 15 seconds

Assen Dovi 42.39 Pedrosa 42.47 Dovi faster by 8 seconds

Cataluna Dovi 43.13 Pedrosa 43.17 Dovi faster by 4 seconds

Mugello Dovi 42.46 Pedrosa 42.45 Dovi slower by 1 second

China Dovi 44.44 Pedrosa 44.26 Dovi slower by 18 seconds

Spain Dovi 46.03 Pedrosa 45.54 Dovi slower by 9 seconds

Qatar Dovi 42.49 Pedrosa 43.11 Dovi faster by 29 second

Out of 7 comparable races Dovi is faster on 4 races and almost dead even on 1.
How is that possible.?

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Couldn't that be disputed by track temperature, weather, and the fact that Michelins have dropped the ball last year?

It's hardly worth anything comparing lap times (race times) from last year to now. To many variables have changed since then.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mumu37 @ Jul 28 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^

Couldn't that be disputed by track temperature, weather, and the fact that Michelins have dropped the ball last year?

It's hardly worth anything comparing lap times (race times) from last year to now. To many variables have changed since then.

There are quite a few factors that could blow my logic out of the water but I keep coming back to the fact that Dovi is consistently faster and considerably less experienced on a motogp bike.
Look at Laguna as an example. How can intermediate tires on a dry surface be 15 seconds faster
than last years tires.

I think Dovi was more deserving of it than Nakano, but I guess it's down to money and Nakano's team can afford it and Dovi's can't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jul 29 2008, 03:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm convinced that Dovi is on a factory bike and has been all year.
If he is on the 07 bike than why is he faster on that bike than Dani was last year.
Here's Dovi's race times this year agains't Pedro's last year.
I threw out any races where it was wet and someone crashed.

Laguna- Dovi 44.40 Pedrosa 44.55 Dovi faster by 15 seconds

Assen Dovi 42.39 Pedrosa 42.47 Dovi faster by 8 seconds

Cataluna Dovi 43.13 Pedrosa 43.17 Dovi faster by 4 seconds

Mugello Dovi 42.46 Pedrosa 42.45 Dovi slower by 1 second

China Dovi 44.44 Pedrosa 44.26 Dovi slower by 18 seconds

Spain Dovi 46.03 Pedrosa 45.54 Dovi slower by 9 seconds

Qatar Dovi 42.49 Pedrosa 43.11 Dovi faster by 29 second

Out of 7 comparable races Dovi is faster on 4 races and almost dead even on 1.
How is that possible.?

2 reasons:

1 Michelin progress
2 The 2008 satellite bike is last years bike from END of season which is a pretty good bike (Dani did very well the last few races) not the one he started the season with which was a piece of junk.

Let's see how Dovi compares against Dani at the last 2 or 3 races of the season when it's actually (or should be) the same bike, and it's just the tyre advantage.

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What I've heard is that Alberto Puig has pressured HRC into giving the bike to someone else other than Dovizioso. Add the fact that he is Japanes and the choice is even easier for Honda. Puig does not want a rider of the caliber close to that of Pedrosa on the team, and next year if rumors are true Dovizioso will be his teamate and will no doubt give Pedrosa a run for his money... Also rumored is that if this is the case, the HRC pits will be divided just like Rossi/Lorenzo camp.

Puig is an ......., and IMO he is to blame if people dislike Pedrosa. Pedrosa is maybe shy or cold, but that is his character. If you get a chance to speak with him, he is anything but a Pedrobot. The Pedrobot nickname is only thanks to that asswhipe Puig.

In reality we all know the one who deserves the factory bike is Dovizioso. He has proved it again and again and is currently 11 points shy of Lorenzo in 4th place...but they give it to Nakano in 10th place...

This will only fire up Dovi even more to tear it up the second half of the season...as I am sure he will.

Does anyone think that Melandri could replace Dovi, with Dovi getting a factory ride and Hayden moving to Ducati? If Melandri doesn't go to Kwak...

Dovi easily deserves the Factory ride more than anyone else at the moment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 30 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anyone think that Melandri could replace Dovi, with Dovi getting a factory ride and Hayden moving to Ducati? If Melandri doesn't go to Kwak...
marco could get the factory hrc ride ! he did well on the honda before and would not mind being the #2 rider under dani at this stage

I think that Dovi DEFINETLY DOES NOT have a factory ride although some people seem to think like that.

Sure dovi would deserve a factory ride, but according to autosport.com, Nakano is the best man to help them to develop the next year's satellite bike. I guess there's some truth in that too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 31 2008, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>marco could get the factory hrc ride ! he did well on the honda before and would not mind being the #2 rider under dani at this stage
I actually see a strange logic in this and agree with you roger. I think honda have long shown a predeliction to having number 1 and number 2 riders which dovi would not necessarily suit, even apart from the repsol+/- puig cabal /conspiracy theory. All levity/dwarf jokes aside, I think good as dovi is dani is probably better anyway and still the way to go if you are ideologically inclined towards having a number 1 rider.

This is something I just thought of and don't think I saw it anywhere in here. Do you think Honda are maybe taking notice of how .... Kawasaki has gotten in the past year in development? And how it was always something with a lot of potential when Nakano was developing it. And how Honda's development has screeched to a hault since 2004. Maybe they are looking for any sort of direction as long as it's forward, and maybe Nakano is really apart of that direction. Not just a politicized or agenda-based move.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 1 2008, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is something I just thought of and don't think I saw it anywhere in here. Do you think Honda are maybe taking notice of how .... Kawasaki has gotten in the past year in development? And how it was always something with a lot of potential when Nakano was developing it. And how Honda's development has screeched to a hault since 2004. Maybe they are looking for any sort of direction as long as it's forward, and maybe Nakano is really apart of that direction. Not just a politicized or agenda-based move.

I thought the Yamaha tech that helped them develop big bang was the guy who helped them, so I'm not sure that Nakano is a great developer. Although, I will say that Nakano is by far the best man ever on the green machine regardless of total points.

I think HRC wanna see what the 08 will do on B-stones so they can decide whether to pressure for a control tire or Beestones for just Pedrosa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 1 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think HRC wanna see what the 08 will do on B-stones so they can decide whether to pressure for a control tire or Beestones for just Pedrosa.

I think you hit it on the head there.

It's a win-win for Honda. Japanese speaking development rider for the 09 satellite bikes + Seeing how the factory ride goes on B-stones to decide on a possible switch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 1 2008, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is something I just thought of and don't think I saw it anywhere in here. Do you think Honda are maybe taking notice of how .... Kawasaki has gotten in the past year in development? And how it was always something with a lot of potential when Nakano was developing it. And how Honda's development has screeched to a hault since 2004. Maybe they are looking for any sort of direction as long as it's forward, and maybe Nakano is really apart of that direction. Not just a politicized or agenda-based move.

Exactly... theres been some serious misdirection since Rossi, Sete then Max left.

They had the chance to fix this by putting the man who rode the bike well... Melandri into the factory team.

He has more wins on a Sat Honda than Nicky.

Does Nakano get the Pneumo or the Spring? I think he may be helping develope that bike. Not just for the bridgestones. Honda is really a few steps behind on this one. They should have had Nakano testing the pneumo the whole time. Now Pedrosa is going to try and do a quick setup of the bike at Brno testing. Then they will be getting 3 times as much input. Not sure what the hell Honda is doing???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 28 2008, 05:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well dont forget haga spent 2 years in gp and only came 14th. shinya has had a 5th and 2 10th place finish's in the championship. we can argue one might have had a slightly better bike but imo not much in it. haga is a bloody good wsb rider no doubt but not better than shinya on a gp bike imho.

Edwards finished 13th that season on the same bike and look where he has been since then. Haga has just had an unlucky career, he needs a one off MotoGP ride ala Bayliss 06 in my opinion. If he performs then it would prove alot of people wrong, if he doesn't then so be it.