Nakano on a factory RCV

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 24 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm with you on Dovi's equipment but there is a perfectly good explanation for his ability to beat Hayden.

Fuel.

Hayden's bike drinks like an Irishman.

Dovi would beat Hayden on any of these 800s.

extra tester ginypig to get the new engine ready for Pedro.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 24 2008, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dovi would beat Hayden on any of these 800s.

Yes, at Laguna on his first try I'm sure.

I also doubt Dovi is on factory equipment. Hayden just got beat, period.

I agree with Austin, My bet is Honda is looking for a Bridgstone switch, whether they talk them into letting them run the tire, there is a one make rule put in place, or they try and yank them from under Gresini.

They want/need the title next year, it's getting downright bad for Honda.

Dovi is not on a factory bike. A quick look at the exhaust tells you that.

Gresini says (on motogp.com) that the reason is because Nakano can communicate directly with the engineers and that his work will be to develop the bike thats given to the satellite teams in 09.

I wonder if Nakano will be around in 09 to see the fruits of his efforts (besides from his hotel TV screen. )

My bet is we will see a vast improvement from Nicky when he joins team red.
If HRC leave Michelin as some of you seem to think then we will have a control tyre.
Michelin have already said as much. With all the top teams on Bridgestone, it would be pointless them staying. Besides Laguna Michelin have been very good this year, it's just the 2 top riders on these bikes are opposing them.

I hope Nicky leaves Honda. He needs a big change and a new challenge. I think he is one of the top 5 guys in the series and he is just being held back by circumstance. It's now or never.

As for Nakano he is just going to be an on track developer and no threat to the championship as a spoiler at all.

Interesting that Nakano is getting this, after Honda stated previously that the satellite teams wouldn't get .... in 2008; they were supposed to start and finish the season with the bike that Pedrosa raced at Valencia last year.

It's no surprise that de Angelis and de Puniet didn't get it, they have enough trouble staying on what they've got, let alone provide any meaningful feedback. And Dovizioso rides for Team JiR/Scot... even with Nakano in the saddle in 2007 they were always last in the pecking order--the parts updates that Melandri and Checa recieved for the German GP didn't come through for Nakano until Brno. Maybe Dovi's team don't have the $s to slap down on the table, or whatever's required.

Looking on the bright side, if it works out for Shinya, those P9/P10s could start turning into P7/P8s!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 24 2008, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Yes, at Laguna on his first try I'm sure.

I think Nicky was a great 990 rider.. better than Stoner and Pedrosa.
I'll stand by my words that he will never get back to that kind of level in motogp under these rules.

With Nicky riding the pneumatic they have his old engine sitting in storage. Why not give it to one of the satellite riders. Nakano seems like a safe bet since he doesn't tear up the equipment and can help with feed back. Is this his first step into a future test rider role for one of the factory's?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 25 2008, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Nicky was a great 990 rider.. better than Stoner and Pedrosa.
I'll stand by my words that he will never get back to that kind of level in motogp under these rules.
I have hope that the solution to Hayden's trouble lies at Ducati. If he can't get it right there, then I'll fully agree with you. And the solution can only be found at Ducati, the Yamaha wouldn't do him any good either.

Here is my analysis on why HRC chose Nakano. We have to keep in ind that with all their current development efforts, a satellite rider on last year's bike (Dovi) is still beating an ex world championchammpion

1. Pedrosa: Leading the points standing and is too risky to mess with

2. Dovi: Is actually ahead of Hayden in the points standing. Plus its his rookie year in motoGP.

3. Hayden: If used. may develop the bike in a direction that will not be suitable to any other rider.

4. Nakano: Low risk -- not a contender in the points testing. Been in GP racing for 10years. Apparently has good ability to communicate to the factory engineers and is Japanese. that will help since with the Bridgestone development too.

Nakano seem seems a logical choice to me.

Dovi seems pissed about the move. He already is playing second fiddle to Pedro. He needs to get the .... out while he can. If I were him I would beg Yamaha to set me up with a ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jul 25 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is my analysis on why HRC chose Nakano. We have to keep in ind that with all their current development efforts, a satellite rider on last year's bike (Dovi) is still beating an ex world championchammpion

1. Pedrosa: Leading the points standing and is too risky to mess with

2. Dovi: Is actually ahead of Hayden in the points standing. Plus its his rookie year in motoGP.

3. Hayden: If used. may develop the bike in a direction that will not be suitable to any other rider.

4. Nakano: Low risk -- not a contender in the points testing. Been in GP racing for 10years. Apparently has good ability to communicate to the factory engineers and is Japanese. that will help since with the Bridgestone development too.

Nakano seem seems a logical choice to me.
(I'm jumping in late as usual,sorry..)I think your analysis makes sense.It could also be a factor that Gresini could be in an agreement with HRC to be the first ones to get updates,a contract spanning for years,and HRC maybe trust in the Gresiniteam to be the best one to utilise the new parts in the best way.
By the way,i'm not sure Dovisioso is using the new chassi,maybe he is,don't know.
But i would be surprised if he uses new engine parts.
From a race aired on eurosport some time ago,maybe it was Motegi 2006,there was a piece on HRC and the factory.
They were showing the design studio,engine test center and a dynorun of the Honda engine from the HRC headquarters(The nest of the evil empire).
A spokes person from HRC said,and showed that with every engine there was a unique exhaust system tuned for just that engine.So they both are delivered as one piece.In that case one should maybe be able to tell what engine they have by looking at the exhaust.On the other hand we don't see all parts of the pipes how they come together and part,or the exact thickness behind the fairings.
But,if there is a different exhaust we can see,than there could also be a different engine in there.

By the way when they showed the dynorun and reving the enginge the camera was also showing the current HP reading and by 10 000 rpm it read 200 hp and increasing till 16 000 rpm.So they didn't really lack power in the end of 2006.

How high chance of Nakano winning a race this season? Anyone want to place a bet?

573485734876483677662 / 1?

hmm, just cant see why they wouldnt give the factory bike to dovi. makes no sense to me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (simon.h @ Jul 28 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hmm, just cant see why they wouldnt give the factory bike to dovi. makes no sense to me
It could be because of the team he is in,maybe he had to have been in Gresini,besides he is a rookie
and Honda don't want to take too many chances.
The main reason i think is the team.As i said earlier Honda probarbly trust Gresini more to make good use of new parts/bike and help developement and it could be because of contract/agreement from the start of the season or earlier and the team/personel rather than the rider Dovizioso.
My guess is that most of all HRC needed one more testrider right now to make Pedrobutt faster and Dovizioso is already fast enough,maybe even too fast because he is taking points from Hayden.

Hey guys, This thread is also discussed on another forum...
With that being said.... one of the points made there was DOVI IS PISSED that he didn't get the factory bike as HE WAS PROMISED...

I would say it isn't a big jump that HRC promised Dovi a factory ride this season just as Lorenzo has a factory ride. Dovi is pissed that he has been over looked.

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Nakano on the HRC. Why not. Japanese speaking, very consistent veteran, who has extensive bridgestone experience. HRC may be lookin to make the move to Bridgeston to keep Pedros/Puig happy if they cannot win on the Michelins.

Remember Pedrosa and Rossi both threatened and lobbyied for Bridgestones. If Stoner/Rossi wins this year (as it seems likely) and it comes down to Bridgestone out performing Michelin.
Dani will not be a happy camper and he and Puig will push for an HRC tyre switch.