Dovi says if your not a clown, you get no attention

well, i guess engine braking makes it easier for the simple reason that the bike goes slower than without it, and slower always means easier, imo.

for me, and everyone i think, controlling the back wheel is not such a difficult task, compared to entering as fast as possible, and the 250s allow faster corner entries than any 4stroke



the rule change is marketing driven for sure, but thats the way it should be in my opinion. the 800 was a mistake, and if it wasnt it wouldnt last only 5 years.

bill88 said:

the 800 was a mistake, and if it wasnt it wouldnt last only 5 years.

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totally, i guess you won't find anybody that will start an argument about that



i guess we'll never know which bikes are "easy to ride".

I've read and heard so many different opinions concerning the 800s (ranging from "easiest GP bike ever" to "most difficult bike ever") and they all made good points.it just depends on rider preference i guess

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Frying pans are interesting.

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Point taken..I stand corrected juM

BarryMachine said:

As much as I hate to say it if a rider is to go, Dani may be it, because 990's may suit Dovi as well.



Though if Honda were clever they would put Stoner and Dovi on the 990 and continue running the 800's with Dani.

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Pedrosa was .... hot on a 990 and actually preferred them. In his maiden season he showed huge potential in the litre class.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Pedrosa was .... hot on a 990 and actually preferred them. In his maiden season he showed huge potential in the litre class.

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Yes i don't subscribe to this whole notion that some riders who win on one capacity bike can't win on another. The cream always rises to the top and at this level, do what they need to do to get to the front of the pack regardless of the capacity bike they are on. Stoner Lorenzo Rossi Pedrosa have all shown they can win on the bikes they have had be it 125s, 250s, 800s 1000s.

woody996 said:

Yes i don't subscribe to this whole notion that some riders who win on one capacity bike can't win on another. The cream always rises to the top and at this level, do what they need to do to get to the front of the pack regardless of the capacity bike they are on. Stoner Lorenzo Rossi Pedrosa have all shown they can win on the bikes they have had be it 125s, 250s, 800s 1000s.

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Not to say that Lorenzo won't win on a 1000, but he's neer thrown a leg over one in competition.

Austin said:

Not to say that Lorenzo won't win on a 1000, but he's neer thrown a leg over one in competition.

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Yes but I don't believe he'll have any issues. He's managed on everything else he has ridden.

povol said:

Not that Roger Lee Hayden is in the class of riders we are talking about, but way good enough to have an opinion, said the GP bike was much easier to ride than a Superbike. He said with the GP bike, you can grab a hand full of throttle at lean and the computer will take over from there. He said if you tried that with a Superbike, the corner workers would be retrieving you out of row 10 of the grandstand.He also said thew hardest thing about a GP bike was mental, that you had to make yourself do what was not natural and pray the computers did their job.I think we can all remember the hilarity that ensued when Pedrosa's launch control went on the fritz when he was practicing starts a few years ago.

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Everyone including various journalists who have been given rides post-season has said the gp bikes are easy to ride off the pace. Riding them fast seems to be the difficulty, as the increasing number of injuries demonstrates.

The 1000ccs will be in name only.



Or as Ducati likes to call them GP11.1.46.2012

Willski said:

We talked a bit about this at Silverstone. Super Sic is certainly going to take over Rossi's mantle as the Dorna marketing departments favorite son. Look at the challengers for the role

Casey- super fast but perceived as a whinger

Jorge- super fast but arrogant

Pedro - super fast with the charisma of a frying pan

Ben's Pies - see above comment



I had a brief chat with Dovi at Silverstone last year and he seemed a real nice guy whose only interest was the racing, not the circus

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Spot on mate.



The thing is, for the sport to stay as big as it is, it needs the characters that draw in the less fanatical fans. As Arrab was saying he remembers watching Doohan at Donny when it was like 3 men and a dog there, do we want to go back there? When I was watching racing on TV in the 70's, Sheene was a household name, in the same way Rossi is now, and that brings the crowds in.



There is a percieved snobbery on here, that to be a Rossi fan you have to be a 13 year old girl who likes Yellow, and has no knowledge of Motorcycles or racing. That "real fans" like guys like Stoner and Pedrosa who are "serious" about their racing. I'm pretty sure the Silverstone crew would admit I don't fall into the percieved stereotypical Rossi fan image.



Dovi has a point, the press do make more of the characters, but why not? Joe Blow in the street doesn't care whether Stoner has a Honda a Ducati or a Velocette. (Old British motorcycle for the youngsters) he wants to see good racing and interesting characters. If it brings more fans into the sport, then it's a positive, because lets be honest, you get points for showing up now in the premier class, thats a ..... state of affairs, if the crowds start to dwindle again, the sport is looking pretty ....... Personally, I'm drifting towards moto 2 and I hate to say WSBK, because it's more exciting to watch. Before the Stoner fanboys jump in and say "You just think it's boring because Rossi isn't getting fixed wins like he used to!" I'll point out that Ive been following bike racing for more than 30 years, and I don't like it too processional. The Doohan era was predictable, (before the Aussis get excited, I was and still am a huge Doohan fan) and the best races for me at that time was the times that Criville, Cadalora, Beattie and others made him fight for the wins, and as for Norrick Abe's GP debut, that was one of the most amazing races ever!



Quite simply, the sport needs hard riding characters to survive, it needs to draw in new fans to keep bringing money to the sport. Casey, Pedrosa and Jorge are not the folks to get new blood excited.



Sorry if this opinion offends the more serious race fans among you, but, I am a 13 year old girl who likes yellow and hates smelly motorbikes.



Pete

basspete said:

Sorry if this opinion offends the more serious race fans among you, but, I am a 13 year old girl who likes yellow and hates smelly motorbikes.



Pete

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So if we agree with you is it grooming?

Andy Roo said:

So if we agree with you is it grooming?

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Ha Ha!!!! Never thought of that scenario mate!

basspete said:

Ha Ha!!!! Never thought of that scenario mate!

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I know you're a smelly old bass player who eats too many herrings.



I do see a danger however in marketing becoming the dominating force in racing.



An argument in the modern era is the constant restructuring of the class



500 to 990 to 800 to 1000 - each change is a draw card and the promise that next year it will be bigger than master chef or Australia (insert your country) has talent or whatever, when all they are really doing is experiencing a tide of people who drift in and out of the audience and the mainstays are people like us who will watch the racing no matter what (and whinge about it being better in the old days just before our collective liver or prostate gives out).



They need something to market to catch the transient audience and personality is it. They need whinging and bitching, good guys and bad guys and so on because they have it in the wrestling which gets a great audience even they everyone (even the morons) know it's fake.

Andy Roo said:

I know you're a smelly old bass player who eats too many herrings.



I do see a danger however in marketing becoming the dominating force in racing.



An argument in the modern era is the constant restructuring of the class



500 to 990 to 800 to 1000 - each change is a draw card and the promise that next year it will be bigger than master chef or Australia (insert your country) has talent or whatever, when all they are really doing is experiencing a tide of people who drift in and out of the audience and the mainstays are people like us who will watch the racing no matter what (and whinge about it being better in the old days just before our collective liver or prostate gives out).



They need something to market to catch the transient audience and personality is it. They need whinging and bitching, good guys and bad guys and so on because they have it in the wrestling which gets a great audience even they everyone (even the morons) know it's fake.

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Agree that marketing should not be the dominating force in racing, but, it has it's role. Love or hate the guy, Rossi has brought a hell of a lot of folks into watching motogp and thats a good thing. All I want to see is good racing, not precessions or one person clearing off, because us old gits will be watching it for years to come. Bring it on!

basspete said:

I'm pretty sure the Silverstone crew would admit I don't fall into the percieved stereotypical Rossi fan image.

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You're a 13-year-old girl if I've ever seen one.

basspete said:

Sorry if this opinion offends the more serious race fans among you, but, I am a 13 year old girl who likes yellow and hates smelly motorbikes.

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Doesn't it feel good to tell the truth?

Austin said:

You're a 13-year-old girl if I've ever seen one.





Doesn't it feel good to tell the truth?

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And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you pesky kids...............

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So if we agree with you is it grooming?

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BarryMachine said:

All that the contetstants in a race want is to be at front ....... with the others behind somewhere ...... the further out in front they are the better too.



Never heard of a racer who wanted "closer racing"

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Cum on Barry... every ....... racer who is not leading a race wants closer racing... 2nd wants to be closer to 1rst, 3rd wants to be closer to 2nd, 4th wants to be closer to 3rd... Duh, your not the sharpest knife in the drawer are ya mate?

BTW - What a knob Dovi is. Just watched him CLOWNING for the camera well the rain falls in Mugello during qually... Shut the .... up ya hypocritical ......!