Mugello Test

Keshav said:

Who on this site isn't opinionated? What makes some people more fun to be around are the degrees of open-mindedness to contrasting opinions and the wide range of diplomacy, temperateness, even-handness and tolerance employed by them when discussing things they disagree on.

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Keshav said:

Japanese companies sell their technology to other bike and car makers all over the world. My suggestion was not that Yamaha would give away the whole of their secrets - but rather that they might sell or license enough technology to keep Ducati in the game - because it won't be good for prototype racing if Ducati gets out.

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birdman said:

Honda sold tech to ex Yamaha man and Proton man KRSnr team. Honda no doubt saw it as a great opportunity and endorsement of Honda. Yamaha might want to dabble in V4 engine tech. What better way than to design a 75 degree V four in conjunction with Ducati. It could be a win win for both companies. But in reality I think its Rossi and Burgess sending Furusawa an SOS. Ducati probably arent really interested. Furusawa will simply confirm all the things Rossi and Burgess have said are wrong with the bike, not hand over blueprints to the M1.

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Goatboy said:

A. .... me, B. can I have some of your drugs please!

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Keshav said:

It wasn't a shot at Ducati - rather I was downplaying the value of input from Rossi and Burgess. They're good at what they do - but if their experience with development over the last few decades has been working with Japanese bikes and Japanese engineers maybe their input it's not somehow translatable to Italian engineers. But a Japanese engineer can converse with an Italian engineer using math and computer drawings, in essence speaking "engineer-ese".

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Zootalaws said:

Good article from early 2011 about some of that: http://www.crash.net...otogp_exit.html

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Keshav said:

Good article. I'd read it before but now parts of it (in hindsight) are more meaningful.

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chopperman said:

ummm crash.net

I'm sure engineers talk to each other unofficially as they share a passion, but there is a big difference between hints and help.

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Keshav said:

A slippery slope. In any event you're beating a dead horse Rog. It was just an interesting idea that I was floating. But in your static, reactionary, black and white world if it's never happened before, or it's never been a part of public record - it couldn't possibly happen... unless you thought of it first.

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Keshav said:

A shrewd business person knows how to keep the public happy and knows the future of racing isn't a field of only Yamahas. People want to see multiple brands of bikes on the track (and not stupid CRTs). Haven't you heard that competition strengthens the breed? I don't know what world you physically exist in - but after how many years of listening to you talk about stomping the competition and dog-eat-dog, kill-or-be-killed blah blah blah - I have a pretty good picture of your mind-set. You may know how to set up a pitbull fight - but run an international business? I'd say not. Running an international business requires subtlety of thought, finesse and a degree of diplomacy. You on the other hand are barely capable of having a civil discussion with people who are nominally what you represent to be friends.



Keeping competition alive is a must for MotoGP. Nobody wants a one-brand prototype series.



Even arms dealers know better than to sell all the good stuff to one side of the conflict and more often than most would think - sell arms to both sides of the same conflict. The show must go on.

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Keshav said:

That's the world you live in. Going by your logic - Yamaha should press on and if possible dominate the sport until Honda and all the other manufacturers fall by the wayside, so eventually there's only four Yamahas on the grid. What proud day that will be. And so good for the sport.

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Keshav said:

Not being cute. It's self explanatory. You paint a pretty clear picture of yourself over the course of 10,000 posts all of which are very opinionated. If I've not been sufficiently lucid - please tell me what part you don't understand.

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chopperman said:

Hold on a minute mate, you're the one beating a dead horse. Remember this.









All this because i dare disagree with you. Now it seems you are back peddling and saying it was just an interesting idea for the silly season so in effect now agreeing with me

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Keshav said:

In what way am I agreeing with you??? You're delusional mate. Does an interesting idea have to be labeled "Interesting Idea" in order for you to perceive it as such. Do I have to literally spell it out? You throw a bunch of my earlier posts up there but nothing in them is in any way contrasting with any of my other posts on this subject. It's fine if you disagree with me. My issue is there isn't much meat in your arguments. About 90% of your posts is ridicule and bluster and 10% is something resembling reasoned debate.

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chopperman said:

Ok, what ever i don't think i need to continue wasting my free time with you any more. You have nothing of interest to me and quite frankly i don't really enjoy debating you.

peace.

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Keshav said:

Peace be with you.

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michaelm said:

How dare anyone that roger doesn't enjoy debating post on this forum.

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Zootalaws said:

Feeling all crampy and bloated?

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chopperman said:

Go .... yourself !

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