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Come on Kesh.... This kind of boutade is below you. One could then reply that Ducati have engineers at least as good as Kawasaki's, or Suzuki's...
BTW, at Ducati they are not supposed nor expected to listen to Masao. Furusawa (although obviously recommended by Rossi) is there as an impartial consultant for independently assessing an AS IS situation and reporting it to the new owners; he will not and would never concretely help Ducati in any way. He's a Yamaha man. If he can help it, he will rather have Valentino back on an M1.
Joined Aug 2007
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Come on Kesh.... This kind of boutade is below you. One could then reply that Ducati have engineers at least as good as Kawasaki's, or Suzuki's...
BTW, at Ducati they are not supposed nor expected to listen to Masao. Furusawa (although obviously recommended by Rossi) is there as an impartial consultant for independently assessing an AS IS situation and reporting it to the new owners; he will not and would never concretely help Ducati in any way. He's a Yamaha man. If he can help it, he will rather have Valentino back on an M1.
It wasn't a shot at Ducati - rather I was downplaying the value of input from Rossi and Burgess. They're good at what they do - but if their experience with development over the last few decades has been working with Japanese bikes and Japanese engineers maybe their input it's not somehow translatable to Italian engineers. But a Japanese engineer can converse with an Italian engineer using math and computer drawings, in essence speaking "engineer-ese".
Of course your explanation for Furusawa's for being there sounds reasonable. However - what if Furusawa was there in response to criticism by the general public about MotoGP being a 2 horse race? It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that the Japanese are concerned about the possibility of Ducati failing which would really be terrible for prototype racing. I'm not suggesting that Furusawa would want to lay all of his company's secrets at Ducati's feet - but it wouldn't be unreasonable for them to give a helping hand to Ducati to keep them in the game. The Japanese will for the immediate future continue to have the technological upper hand - so even with a bit of support Ducati won't be a big threat any time soon. I'm sure Honda and Yamaha were sorry to see Kawasaki and Suzuki leave. As the number of esteemed competitors dwindle - the victories become increasingly hollow.
BTW - boutade... good word. Don't think I've ever heard it used in general modern day usage.
What a load of bollocks
If Furusawa is going to see Ducati it will be on business or they are offering him huge money to defect.
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What a load of bollocksYou must be off your rocker if you think Furusawa is going to help Ducati out of the kindness of his heart or that Ducati would stoop so low as to accept such an offer. As for Ducati not being a threat. 2007 wc, a recent podium and 5th and 6th place finish shows ducati are a threat. Can you imagine what the sponsors would say to helping other teams? You live in a dream world mate, this sport is big business and its "dog .... dog" (steady barry).
If Furusawa is going to see Ducati it will be on business or they are offering him huge money to defect.
That's the world you live in. Going by your logic - Yamaha should press on and if possible dominate the sport until Honda and all the other manufacturers fall by the wayside, so eventually there's only four Yamahas on the grid. What proud day that will be. And so good for the sport.
Your talking nonsense mate, You maybe an ageing hippie who live's in a fantasy fluffy bunny free love world but motor sport is a big shrewd business. There is no way a manufacture will help another, not unless its a merger.
What do you mean "its the world i live in"?? What the .... do you know what type of world i live in. I will tell you the world i don't live in. A ....... fantasy world like you !
Joined Oct 2007
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Boutade is actually French -- but it is found in English dictionaries, like many other French words.
Furusawa-san helping Ducati out with the blessings of Iwata? Everything is possible, but I doubt it. Rossi would be overjoyed for sure.
Italian engineers are present in all teams in MotoGP at various levels, not only in Ducati. And they can get on very well speaking some English (some have good English) and, as you say, universal "engineer-ese".
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
While a noble thought, I'm not so sure Kesh's motivation makes much sense for a Japanese. (That is the singular for a Japanese national?) This is a culture that takes a dim view of 'weakness,' to the point of ignoring little old ladies who have fallen in the street....
At the same time, Chopps' attitude that rapacious greed is the be-all-end-all of life makes me rather sad. Have you never performed an act of kindness that didn't involve you receiving something in exchange? Just because the world is run by jackals like you does not validate your 'philosophy.' Maybe you and Lex ought to get together for some drinks and think up a grand scheme to take over the world.
At the same time, Chopps' attitude that rapacious greed is the be-all-end-all of life makes me rather sad. Have you never performed an act of kindness that didn't involve you receiving something in exchange? Just because the world is run by jackals like you does not validate your 'philosophy.' Maybe you and Lex ought to get together for some drinks and think up a grand scheme to take over the world.
WTF?? are you dim witted or something?? don't bother answering as i know the answer. WTF has motogp big business got to do with me personally ? I'm not saying i agree, but i'm a realist and know big business doesn't give a .... about its competition.
To try and point the finger at me personally is as lame as the time you implied rossi was smirking at sic's death because of one snap shot of him exiting a plane. Have a word with yourself mate !
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A shrewd business person knows how to keep the public happy and knows the future of racing isn't a field of only Yamahas. People want to see multiple brands of bikes on the track (and not stupid CRTs). Haven't you heard that competition strengthens the breed? I don't know what world you physically exist in - but after how many years of listening to you talk about stomping the competition and dog-eat-dog, kill-or-be-killed blah blah blah - I have a pretty good picture of your mind-set. You may know how to set up a pitbull fight - but run an international business? I'd say not. Running an international business requires subtlety of thought, finesse and a degree of diplomacy. You on the other hand are barely capable of having a civil discussion with people who are nominally what you represent to be friends.
Keeping competition alive is a must for MotoGP. Nobody wants a one-brand prototype series.
Even arms dealers know better than to sell all the good stuff to one side of the conflict and more often than most would think - sell arms to both sides of the same conflict. The show must go on.
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Understand I did not propose that this was in any way likely - only that it was an intriguing possibility. Stranger things happen all the time behind closed doors. I have what I consider a fairly deep understanding of Japanese culture. As a kid I studied (not very seriously) martial arts, and while the fighting part lost it's appeal, I ended up befriending a lot of people in New York's Japanese community and worked for 10 years at Basement Workshop teaching photography and music workshops to local Chinese and Japanese gang members while living in Chinatown. During those 10 years I was totally immersed in Asian culture and all my girlfriends were Japanese; spent many a holiday weekend at the homes of my Japanese friends. What you say about despising weakness is a truism - however so is Japanese pragmatism and regardless of how single minded Japanese companies can be - the fact is they are savy enough to know that racing depends on there being on-going interest in the sport and that the public won't come by the hundreds of thousands to a MotoGP race that consists of 4 M1s and 30 CRT bikes.
Japanese companies sell their technology to other bike and car makers all over the world. My suggestion was not that Yamaha would give away the whole of their secrets - but rather that they might sell or license enough technology to keep Ducati in the game - because it won't be good for prototype racing if Ducati gets out.
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Not being cute. It's self explanatory. You paint a pretty clear picture of yourself over the course of 10,000 posts all of which are very opinionated. If I've not been sufficiently lucid - please tell me what part you don't understand.
More BS
Burgess's quote was pretty clear to me, they've asked for all matter of changes to aid in set/balance via new engine cases/design etc. He also stated that in most common engineering endeavors, you get one chassis out quickly as they've (ducati) done, then you revise and get more out, which they haven't done. They were suppose to at Le Mans-and didn't. Honda and Yamaha have-several times this season already. Honda even has the 2013 bike on track already-not just 'parts' the bike!
This all proves that .... all has been changed on the Ducati since January. How can you develop a bike when nothing gets changed? And your feedback ignored-IMO Burgess and Rossi's reputation has not been tarnished at all, they've exhausted the set-up on the Duck.
Well your opinion is not shared by everybody. Im not surprised as i've experienced your judgemental side first hand
Joined May 2008
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
Hum, let me take a stab at predicting Chops' reply...
"That's 20,000, you low life, mentally impaired hippy .......!
Hum, let me take a stab at predicting Chops' reply...
"That's 20,000, you low life, mentally impaired hippy .......!"
I don't know why you are all so hung up on post counts. Zoot was having a pop and using this against me. I wouldn't give two ..... if that info was hidden or not recorded. In fact i wish it was as it only makes you a noob target. serves no purpose what so ever imo.
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A. Whose is mate? B. I think I can safely say same - right back at you.
Who on this site isn't opinionated? What makes some people more fun to be around are the degrees of open-mindedness to contrasting opinions and the wide range of diplomacy, temperateness, even-handness and tolerance employed by them when discussing things they disagree on.
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