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MotoGP's Future

Jumkie said:
Well why did you quote Mr. Scriptuous? Anyway, I'll let you two sort that out.



Buddy, you can cry and shout all you want about what YOU WANT for the sport, but that is and has never been the reality. Why so adamant about your disapproval now? Do you remember that one Italian kid that rode for Ducati a few years ago (can't remember his name ATM), anyway, did he deserve to be in GP any more than Hernandez, West, hell even Pietri? Kropo mentiond Jose Luis Cordosa, dude, even Pedro who we all tout as an "alien", where would he be on Rossi's bike? Seriously, think about it. Probably getting beat by a CRT being ridden by a non-name rider (its possible, given your "spanking" evidence lately).
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Bro, we want a lot of things, but GP almost never has been about the best and most deserving. I'm with you on wanting the best, rider and machine, have you stopped to ask yourself who the hell here wants ........ riders and propped up riders for the sake of a filler grid? I haven't read one person here say or suggest this at all, you are not special or unique in your call to have the best. EVERYBODY wants the best. But we don't live in a vacuum of an ideal universe. ...., the CRT entries, a far cry in terms of cost to the factories can't get the funding, does this at all register in your mind as to the current situation?
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Your are totally wrong about Pedro. Love the little ......, or hate him, he has proven to be one of the top riders in the world. As far as everything else, i, unlike you and others, do not stand with my mouth open and accept whatever .... im being fed. If i dont like it, i find something else. I didnt accept Indy Car, i didnt accept AMA/ DMG, and i wont accept Moto GP under a CRT formula. It will be just another race series that i would follow with a passing interest, compared to a series that i currently follow with almost unhealthy passionate interest. If WSBK dilutes their series to make GP look good, i will feel the same about them. Maybe in 3-4 years, when they claw their way back to todays performance, i will get interested again, but like ive said a hundred times, i will not spend money to see something i saw in the past. Would you pay 2012 price for a new car that reverted back to 1999 technology. I tell you what, if you can get them to lower the ticket price, the gas price, food price, motel price, to 1999 levels, i will gladly go along with 1999 performance
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povol said:
I was responding to MA post where he said



The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.



that you said you couldnt agree more too.



We are on the same page as far as rider selection then. I agree the sport needs to expand, but not at the expense of credibility
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If you're going to edit your post significantly, it would be nice to know incase some of us would like to respond.



Regarding your point about "credibility'. Pov, the series have been rife with unfairness and inconsistency for a long time; the emergence of the CRTs that you so adamantly oppose is not the advent of such a condition.
 
povol said:
Your are totally wrong about Pedro. Love the little ......, or hate him, he has proven to be one of the top riders in the world.
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You missed the point, not surprisingly. I consider Rossi twice the rider than Pedro (no pun intended). Yet look at how Rossi and Nicky struggled on the Duc. What makes you think Pedro would fair better? Yet, Duc is all the 'prototype' bike you're calling for, ist it not? You have selective application of your opinions. Given the lessons of 2011, the only thing Pedro has proven to me is that he can ride up front on the best or close to the best of everything. Given that Stoner "spanked" him (notice correct use of the term) just about every single time they were on the same tarmac, I'd say Pedro has NOT proven much given profound scrutiny of his tenure.



povol said:
As far as everything else, i, unlike you and others, do not stand with my mouth open and accept whatever .... im being fed. If i dont like it, i find something else. I didnt accept Indy Car, i didnt accept AMA/ DMG, and i wont accept Moto GP under a CRT formula. It will be just another race series that i would follow with a passing interest, compared to a series that i currently follow with almost unhealthy passionate interest. If WSBK dilutes their series to make GP look good, i will feel the same about them. Maybe in 3-4 years, when they claw their way back to todays performance, i will get interested again, but like ive said a hundred times, i will not spend money to see something i saw in the past. Would you pay 2012 price for a new car that reverted back to 1999 technology. I tell you what, if you can get them to lower the ticket price, the gas price, food price, motel price, to 1999 levels, i will gladly go along with 1999 performance
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Oh, I suppose your empty threats are very scary to the series. hahaha. Your boycott while still tuning in to watch is scary stuff.
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Didn't CE and Abraham , and even Lorenzo inform us that we are actually going to have more power and speed than last year's bikes? Going backwards? Again, you have selective application of your opinions. BTW, I'm surprised you even follow WSBK. Performance handicaps and skewed rules, you should be boycotting them too. Well, actually, maybe your are by tuning in every race being that the closest venue is in Utah. hahahaha
 
povol said:
i wont accept Moto GP under a CRT formula.
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I just remembered that kid that I couldn't remember (in one of my posts). Niccolo Canepa. Nice kid. However, GP quality according to Pov's standard? You know, back when you accepted the series having the best riders and bikes on the planet.
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povol said:
I was responding to MA post where he said



The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.



that you said you couldnt agree more too.



We are on the same page as far as rider selection then. I agree the sport needs to expand, but not at the expense of credibility
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Look at the West story, there is no credibility in MotoGP now. Rules are manipulated to effect the results and riders can only get seats if they can buy them.



frethammer said:
You mean like soccer? Well, as an Asian I wouldn't mind that. Though indeed, living in a developing country like me; we could really use some motivational tool or whatnot for the sake of the development of our country. No biggie's on the money part since I'm pretty sure any elite companies out there are willing to expand their industry or whatnot. Or maybe I'm just thinking it wrong? Unlike Europe or USA, we don't care If we asian's have asian riders. We just wan't to see something new and exciting. The motorcycle community had already grown so much in Thai, Phil, India and etc...I'm pretty sure MotoGP has enough fans to hold an event in Asia more.



Ooh yeah I live in Phil.
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I think riders from all countries should have the opportunity if they are good enough to get a ride in MotoGP. Currently they do not.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
Look at the West story, there is no credibility in MotoGP now. Rules are manipulated to effect the results and riders can only get seats if they can buy them.
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Now? WTF. Its been like this the last decade.



I suspect you and Pov's recent disapproval of GP is because of a tangential threat that this will effect Stoner, or as you guys suggest, an attempt to slow him down. I seriously doubt that will happen, even with the proposed tire changes and all that ..... Dude is fast regardless. So stop with the fear mongering of a once "credible" series turned mafia. Its been ....... mafia for a while. CRTs are just attempt at keeping the good times rolling now that residual income for sporting is drying up.





Mental Anarchist said:
I think riders from all countries should have the opportunity if they are good enough to get a ride in MotoGP. Currently they do not.
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Currently? WTF. Its been like this the last decade. Maybe we should go back to the good old days when everybody on the grid didn't buy a seat or was there because of passport or some other related reason, eh?





Jose Luis Cardoso

James Ellison

Sylvan Guintoli

Nicolo Canepa

Gabor Talmacsi

Yuki Takahashi

Ant West
 
frethammer said:
You mean like soccer? Well, as an Asian I wouldn't mind that. Though indeed, living in a developing country like me; we could really use some motivational tool or whatnot for the sake of the development of our country. No biggie's on the money part since I'm pretty sure any elite companies out there are willing to expand their industry or whatnot. Or maybe I'm just thinking it wrong? Unlike Europe or USA, we don't care If we asian's have asian riders. We just wan't to see something new and exciting. The motorcycle community had already grown so much in Thai, Phil, India and etc...I'm pretty sure MotoGP has enough fans to hold an event in Asia more.



Ooh yeah I live in Phil.
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Yeah I think that's a Euro/USA thing. I don't give a damn where the rider's from as long as there's something for me to watch ie; racecraft/skill/etc, I couldn't care less where they are from. As I Canadain I don't ever expect to see anybody from my country on a GP bike, and frankly I don't care.



If I want to get nationalistic about sports I'll watch something we're good at. Hockey
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bluegreen said:
Yeah I think that's a Euro/USA thing. I don't give a damn where the rider's from as long as there's something for me to watch ie; racecraft/skill/etc, I couldn't care less where they are from. As I Canadain I don't ever expect to see anybody from my country on a GP bike, and frankly I don't care.



If I want to get nationalistic about sports I'll watch something we're good at. Hockey
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Is that because Canadians aren't good enough at riding motorbikes or because you think the talented Canadian riders will never get a look in?



The constant complaining about a lack of competition in MotoGP focus on the equipment but what if it is really just a lack of talent because the selection pool is so small and the entry to compete is based on financial considerations rather than talent. After all racing motorbikes is 80% rider and 20% equipment when the right people are winning.
 
Jumkie said:
Now? WTF. Its been like this the last decade.
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Decade? Is that the time period between 1949 and now?



You folk are nuts. Its like you actually believe that the riders in MGP are ( and have EVER been ) the best riders in the world.



Dream on.



They are riders who have the best passion, ability, luck, time, whatever ........ to get into a world circuit race series.







The best, most talented rider I have ever seen/raced against etc. didn't even really want to travel a national circuit ..... and when he got a girlfriend he all but stopped riding ...... I'm talking this guy impressed me more than Stoner for his skills. I'm talking a guy that could whoop guys on 500's whilst he was on a 125.
 
Jumkie said:
Now? WTF. Its been like this the last decade.



I suspect you and Pov's recent disapproval of GP is because of a tangential threat that this will effect Stoner, or as you guys suggest, an attempt to slow him down. I seriously doubt that will happen, even with the proposed tire changes and all that ..... Dude is fast regardless. So stop with the fear mongering of a once "credible" series turned mafia. Its been ....... mafia for a while. CRTs are just attempt at keeping the good times rolling now that residual income for sporting is drying up.









Currently? WTF. Its been like this the last decade. Maybe we should go back to the good old days when everybody on the grid didn't buy a seat or was there because of passport or some other related reason, eh?





Jose Luis Cardoso

James Ellison

Sylvan Guintoli

Nicolo Canepa

Gabor Talmacsi

Yuki Takahashi

Ant West

Nicky Hayden
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BarryMachine said:
The best, most talented rider I have ever seen/raced against etc. didn't even really want to travel a national circuit .....
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You raced?



One of the better riders Au has produced (well actually we probably produced him, he was just born in Au) I've ever seen was the total ....... Mat Mladin. But unlike Ant West, Mladin was only interested in chasing the money. Well, at least he made Pov proud in that regard.
 
if things were right Fetch a few ppl into motogp just to ruffle a few feathers..get up ppl's noses



Guy Martin & Go Show on a team...would do it.
 
Jumkie said:
You raced? Well Durrr ! I'm sure i've mentioned this a few times. Though it was during the neolithic era ....
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God you must be pissed half the time Jum!?



One of the better riders Au has produced (well actually we probably produced him, he was just born in Au) I've ever seen was the total ....... Mat Mladin. But unlike Ant West, Mladin was only interested in chasing the money. Well, at least he made Pov proud in that regard.
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It does come down to this, but perhaps I should stress that it does not take anything from the riders in GP cos to be honest in the end ..... if you do ant to prove you are the best at something ....... you have to do it.



Oh and PS: Mladin could ride before he went there, in fact he used to say he went to the US rather than GP cos he knew he could win and make more money. Yes he was/is about the money .... rather than the riding or fame, and good luck to him ....... cos he did well at what he set out to do..
 
Mental Anarchist said:
Is that because Canadians aren't good enough at riding motorbikes or because you think the talented Canadian riders will never get a look in?



The constant complaining about a lack of competition in MotoGP focus on the equipment but what if it is really just a lack of talent because the selection pool is so small and the entry to compete is based on financial considerations rather than talent. After all racing motorbikes is 80% rider and 20% equipment when the right people are winning.
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I think it's several things.



Infrastructure) Not a lot of race tracks in this country.



Poulation vs Land Mass) Canada is the second largest country in the world, and has the population of California spread out in it. I frankly don't have an idea if we even have a nationwide series anymore. I know we did in the 70's. I've met our national champ from '74.



Culture) 999 of 1000 Canadians wouldn't know what MotoGP was if it came up and bit them in the .... If the chosen one were to be born in the frozen tundra odds are he whould never even hop on a bike let alone have the chance to be nurtured from an early age. There are some series for the youngins but we're talking hundreds nation wide, tops.



Passport) Wrong one.



And this...



http://youtu.be/yZCI39NWZ5g
 
Jumkie said:
You missed the point, not surprisingly. I consider Rossi twice the rider than Pedro (no pun intended). Yet look at how Rossi and Nicky struggled on the Duc. What makes you think Pedro would fair better? Yet, Duc is all the 'prototype' bike you're calling for, ist it not? You have selective application of your opinions. Given the lessons of 2011, the only thing Pedro has proven to me is that he can ride up front on the best or close to the best of everything. Given that Stoner "spanked" him (notice correct use of the term) just about every single time they were on the same tarmac, I'd say Pedro has NOT proven much given profound scrutiny of his tenure.







Oh, I suppose your empty threats are very scary to the series. hahaha. Your boycott while still tuning in to watch is scary stuff.
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Didn't CE and Abraham , and even Lorenzo inform us that we are actually going to have more power and speed than last year's bikes? Going backwards? Again, you have selective application of your opinions. BTW, I'm surprised you even follow WSBK. Performance handicaps and skewed rules, you should be boycotting them too. Well, actually, maybe your are by tuning in every race being that the closest venue is in Utah. hahahaha
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Everyone knows the factory bikes are going to be faster this year, Ezzy is talking 2013 as the year where he goes all CRT.That is when the series officially goes backwards and dies. Nice try.
 
povol said:
Everyone knows the factory bikes are going to be faster this year, Ezzy is talking 2013 as the year where he goes all CRT.That is when the series officially goes backwards and dies. Nice try.
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The series will not go all CRT.
 

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