MotoGP's Future

BTW Some TV Stations have invested in Motogp .Sport1 Germany they show more than the BBC When it comes to FP1.FP2.FP3 Etc

the Quali + Races and Bradl on the up can only help hopefully.

not sure what there contract is ???? but i hope they continue to show it.on Sport1 As i can watch it too.

povol said:

As far as Stoner worship, 99% of it is flat out retribution instead of worship.

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Perhaps it started as retribution for reasons Michaelm has outlined repeatedly, but its now full-blown worship. Make no mistake, its worship. When you have people who were normal fans then at some point not be able to accept the simple words that come out of Stoner's mouth but instead desperately rationalize it as something entirely different, that is a sign of worship. It went there at some point this last season. When Stoner fans turned into two camps, the ones that could root for him, stay level headed, and acknowledge his human flaws and missteps (mickm, gaz, frizzel, etc), while the other camp, those that could not accept anything discussed bad about the man. This latter camp downplaying, rationalizing it as straight talk, hell even not believing it actually occurred, that camp are worshiping. Of course, with the added factor that they are too blinded to recognize it.

throw the midgets out

Jumkie said:

Perhaps it started as retribution for reasons Michaelm has outlined repeatedly, but its now full-blown worship. Make no mistake, its worship. When you have people who were normal fans then at some point not be able to accept the simple words that come out of Stoner's mouth but instead desperately rationalize it as something entirely different, that is a sign of worship. It went there at some point this last season. When Stoner fans turned into two camps, the ones that could root for him, stay level headed, and acknowledge his human flaws and missteps (mickm, gaz, frizzel, etc), while the other camp, those that could not accept anything discussed bad about the man. This latter camp downplaying, rationalizing it as straight talk, hell even not believing it actually occurred, that camp are worshiping. Of course, with the added factor that they are too blinded to recognize it.

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I am glad you at least still include me in the former group, after my recent admonishment in a thread which was a text book example of the "straw man "" logical fallacy, fairly high up in the list of common logical fallacies in your excellent post of last year when explaining the concept of logical fallacy to talpa.



What has astonished me, to the extent that I may no longer be able to enjoy the forum, is the degree to which some people on both sides of the argument are in deadly earnest, even whilst appearing to have a sense of humour.



I am often highly emotionally involved when watching races, to the extent that I sometimes find them difficult to watch live, which is of course part of the fun of being a fan. I think I do recognise at some level that the outcome of motogp races, and even more so my opinion or the opinion of others regarding the character of motogp riders, is not actually world changing though, childish though I may be.

Mental Anarchist said:

It is interesting to note that during this off season there has been a lot of talk from CE and now Yamaha about the need to expand out of the Euro zone if they are to grow MotoGP.



Considering that some of the self centred posters here think that my opinion has little value I will point out that if anyone has carried that flag here on spreading MotoGP into other areas of the world, it is me. I am glad that at least some people who actually matter share a similar opinion to me.



The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.

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Couldnt agree more Mental....



The areas to be promoting the sport in have been well covered before by MickD etc but suffice to say Thailand, Indonesia, China, Vietnam, India etc should be top priorities....they have massive motorcycle commuter bases and are all thriving economies in a time of GFC - Europe is economically in the .... and things dont look to be improving any time soon.

Mr Squiggle said:

Couldnt agree more Mental....



The areas to be promoting the sport in have been well covered before by MickD etc but suffice to say Thailand, Indonesia, China, Vietnam, India etc should be top priorities....they have massive motorcycle commuter bases and are all thriving economies in a time of GFC - Europe is economically in the .... and things dont look to be improving any time soon.

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Absolutely. And it should be done on grounds other than simply the willingness to pay dorna a high sanctioning fee.

I'm optimistic about the CRT because now they give privateers with clever ideas an avenue to showcase their skills. I know it's a very long shot for privateers to start dominating the sport, but at least now we have the chance to see some out of the norm thinking.



I know CRT's main purpose now is to prevent extreme shrinkage of the grid, but more importantly taking the control away from the MSMA. My hope is that it doesn't drive the manufacturers away, but in a way diversify the field just like in F1. What I mean is currently we have Honda, Yamaha & Ducati works team, and their corresponding support teams who in reality have no fighting chance as their kit is always a few steps behind the works team. What I'm hoping for is to have the manufacturers, plus a mix of specialist creating frames for engines 'leased' or 'bought' from manufacturers.



Hopefully after 2012, there would be 1 rule for everyone, and I'm hoping that by that time fuel limited formula will be dropped. Or if there is a fuel limit, it would be like a fuel limit for the entire weekend (ex, you have 100 liters for the entire week, what you chose to carry during race day is up to you, what you use for practice, qualifying is also up to you, if you use more that you need well tough luck).

Mr Squiggle said:

Couldnt agree more Mental....



The areas to be promoting the sport in have been well covered before by MickD etc but suffice to say Thailand, Indonesia, China, Vietnam, India etc should be top priorities....they have massive motorcycle commuter bases and are all thriving economies in a time of GFC - Europe is economically in the .... and things dont look to be improving any time soon.

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I want the best riders in the world in Moto GP,i could not care less where they come from . .... a bunch of global diversity, you either belong or you dont. What you will end up with is a field of nationally sponsored riders like Milka Duno in Indy Car, who have absolutely no ....... business on the track. You then restrict performance to help them compete, and before to long, the sport is a sham, then dead.

Latest on the ..... the sports in this seems a regular things in recent times for riders



I (ANTHONY WEST) will not race in moto gp this year or any other race because I can not find sponsorship to pay the SPEED MASTER team, Because all teams are asking for money from the riders only the rich can race in motogp / moto2 / moto3, I can not even afford to ride a year for free, As i have YET to be payed from my former team MZ Germany Moto2 team. I had my car mx bike and my house for sale trying to keep the ride and even gave the house as a guarantee if I did not find the money but was not enough. I will most likely not race any more and will retune back to australia to find a normal job. Sorry to my fans.

Pigeon said:

Latest on the ..... the sports in this seems a regular things in recent times for riders



I (ANTHONY WEST) will not race in moto gp this year or any other race because I can not find sponsorship to pay the SPEED MASTER team, Because all teams are asking for money from the riders only the rich can race in motogp / moto2 / moto3, I can not even afford to ride a year for free, As i have YET to be payed from my former team MZ Germany Moto2 team. I had my car mx bike and my house for sale trying to keep the ride and even gave the house as a guarantee if I did not find the money but was not enough. I will most likely not race any more and will retune back to australia to find a normal job. Sorry to my fans.

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for reals?

Pigeon said:

Latest on the ..... the sports in this seems a regular things in recent times for riders



I (ANTHONY WEST) will not race in moto gp this year or any other race because I can not find sponsorship to pay the SPEED MASTER team, Because all teams are asking for money from the riders only the rich can race in motogp / moto2 / moto3, I can not even afford to ride a year for free, As i have YET to be payed from my former team MZ Germany Moto2 team. I had my car mx bike and my house for sale trying to keep the ride and even gave the house as a guarantee if I did not find the money but was not enough. I will most likely not race any more and will retune back to australia to find a normal job. Sorry to my fans.

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Holy ..... Joke? If not, well that tells you something about who can and cannot get a ride. So much for our wants and who deserves to be there and who actually gets there, eh Pov?



I was actually telling a buddy about this today. Its extremely difficult to land sponsorship. I've come to the conclusion that most sponsorship comes from people who already had made up their mind to sponsor the series or a rider before they were approached, or have some personal connection. Despite the potential for exposure, its almost damn near impossible. I've personally been trying to land sponsorship for a rider, and its not going well. Been at it for about a year.

povol said:

I want the best riders in the world in Moto GP,i could not care less where they come from . .... a bunch of global diversity, you either belong or you dont. What you will end up with is a field of nationally sponsored riders like Milka Duno in Indy Car, who have absolutely no ....... business on the track. You then restrict performance to help them compete, and before to long, the sport is a sham, then dead.

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You misunderstand my point. I am saying they should look to these areas to grow the sport due to their untapped potential. I agree with you that rider selection should always be based on merit...not postcode.

Westy Yeah Kropotkin posted it on his Facebook linked from Ant's Account

+ Hernandez Ride in moto2 is struggling too



its a kick in the Teeth not to be paid for last year.too .fook that n contracts.

Honour.....pffft





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hmmm So Pasini has bought his Ride ????



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Ant West ‎@ Marino Marcotrigiano your SO right but it will never happen that the fast riders left will boycott, there all to afraid to loss the ride they have because another will just come with the money and take it! Just like Mattia Pasini has done to me,, unfortunately your loved sport will only get worse and become as boring as F1.



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Got to agree

Mental Anarchist said:

It is interesting to note that during this off season there has been a lot of talk from CE and now Yamaha about the need to expand out of the Euro zone if they are to grow MotoGP. Considering that some of the self centred posters here think that my opinion has little value I will point out that if anyone has carried that flag here on spreading MotoGP into other areas of the world, it is me. I am glad that at least some people who actually matter share a similar opinion to me. The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.

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Dude, are you kidding me? You've been the standard bearer of spreading the word for the expansion of sponsorship throughout the world? I've read you saying sponsorship should not revolve around Rossi, which is a fair though a pragmatically tricky point; but if you're saying your emphasis has been to go after the rest of the world, then this is news to me. Sure, you've made cursory mention of it, but to declare yourself the champion of the cause, hahaha, well that actually sounds a bit myopic, something like..."self centered". Speaking of self-centered, this sentence here: "I am glad that at least some people who actually matter share a similar opinion to me." << That has got to be one of the most self-centered claims I've read lately. hahahaha



Dude, don't you think that if you're gonna claim you are the self-apointed spokesmen for the expansion of sponsorship in GP that this would be what you're best known for? Except you're not. You are not known for this, what do you think you are known for on this forum (without judging if this is good or bad)?

Mr Squiggle said:

You misunderstand my point. I am saying they should look to these areas to grow the sport due to their untapped potential. I agree with you that rider selection should always be based on merit...not postcode.

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I was responding to MA post where he said



The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.



that you said you couldnt agree more too.



We are on the same page as far as rider selection then. I agree the sport needs to expand, but not at the expense of credibility

povol said:

I was responding to MA post where he said



The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.

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Well why did you quote Mr. Scriptuous? Anyway, I'll let you two sort that out.



Buddy, you can cry and shout all you want about what YOU WANT for the sport, but that is and has never been the reality. Why so adamant about your disapproval now? Do you remember that one Italian kid that rode for Ducati a few years ago (can't remember his name ATM), anyway, did he deserve to be in GP any more than Hernandez, West, hell even Pietri? Kropo mentiond Jose Luis Cordosa, dude, even Pedro who we all tout as an "alien", where would he be on Rossi's bike? Seriously, think about it. Probably getting beat by a CRT being ridden by a non-name rider (its possible, given your "spanking" evidence lately).



Bro, we want a lot of things, but GP almost never has been about the best and most deserving. I'm with you on wanting the best, rider and machine, have you stopped to ask yourself who the hell here wants ........ riders and propped up riders for the sake of a filler grid? I haven't read one person here say or suggest this at all, you are not special or unique in your call to have the best. EVERYBODY wants the best. But we don't live in a vacuum of an ideal universe. ...., the CRT entries, a far cry in terms of cost to the factories can't get the funding, does this at all register in your mind as to the current situation?

mumu37 said:

I'm optimistic about the CRT because now they give privateers with clever ideas an avenue to showcase their skills. I know it's a very long shot for privateers to start dominating the sport, but at least now we have the chance to see some out of the norm thinking.



I know CRT's main purpose now is to prevent extreme shrinkage of the grid, but more importantly taking the control away from the MSMA. My hope is that it doesn't drive the manufacturers away, but in a way diversify the field just like in F1. What I mean is currently we have Honda, Yamaha & Ducati works team, and their corresponding support teams who in reality have no fighting chance as their kit is always a few steps behind the works team. What I'm hoping for is to have the manufacturers, plus a mix of specialist creating frames for engines 'leased' or 'bought' from manufacturers.



Hopefully after 2012, there would be 1 rule for everyone, and I'm hoping that by that time fuel limited formula will be dropped. Or if there is a fuel limit, it would be like a fuel limit for the entire weekend (ex, you have 100 liters for the entire week, what you chose to carry during race day is up to you, what you use for practice, qualifying is also up to you, if you use more that you need well tough luck).

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I hope this will happen, but I have my doubts. They were saying Moto2 would allow for a variety chassis designs, but it very quickly became apparent that teams are not willing to invest their precious sponsor money in any norm deviant engineering. I think we might be lucky if CRT is not going to turn into the Aprillia cup.

Mental Anarchist said:

The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.

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You mean like soccer? Well, as an Asian I wouldn't mind that. Though indeed, living in a developing country like me; we could really use some motivational tool or whatnot for the sake of the development of our country. No biggie's on the money part since I'm pretty sure any elite companies out there are willing to expand their industry or whatnot. Or maybe I'm just thinking it wrong? Unlike Europe or USA, we don't care If we asian's have asian riders. We just wan't to see something new and exciting. The motorcycle community had already grown so much in Thai, Phil, India and etc...I'm pretty sure MotoGP has enough fans to hold an event in Asia more.



Ooh yeah I live in Phil.

Mental Anarchist said:

The future of MotoGP is not Spain and Italy and Spanish and Italian riders it is riders and races from all over the world bringing new fans to the sport and therefore new sponsorship opportunities and new money.

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You mean like soccer? Well, as an Asian I wouldn't mind that. Though indeed, living in a developing country like me; we could really use some motivational tool or whatnot for the sake of the development of our country. No biggie's on the money part since I'm pretty sure any elite companies out there are willing to expand their industry or whatnot. Or maybe I'm just thinking it wrong? Unlike Europe or USA, we don't care If we asian's have asian riders. We just wan't to see something new and exciting. The motorcycle community had already grown so much in Thai, Phil, India and etc...I'm pretty sure MotoGP has enough fans to hold an event in Asia more.



Ooh yeah I live in Phil.