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Motogp GB silverstone Rnd-5..SPOILERS

BarryMachine said:
Whoaa there fella!!!



You seem to be losing it over nothing. They are merely stressing a point.



Take a deep breath then calm down and think about what they are saying
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No i,m cool, but i cant be polite to someone who isn't polite to me.

i have said what i think (right or wrong), and it hasn't been an offend to anyone, why should those who i know they are a lot more in love with their favorites and more blind to reality than i am, take their own idea so serious, that they have to talk bull$hit instead of explaining and discussing the things?



I haven't any problem with someone who hates or talks bad about Rossi, or anyother favorite rider of mine, but i wont close my eyes on those losers who want to take care of their own pain by insulting fans of their nightmares. that's just the loser mentality.



the guys who go to koma after a simple dnf of thier favorites, call others boppers.
 
Mick D said:
Weird that experts like you and Jum don't worry about power/top speed when jokers who don't know .... about the sport like Jorge think it IS important...



From mottomatters.com:



Q: You finished nearly 7 seconds ahead of your rivals. What did you do to set up your bike to achieve this? Was it easy to find a setup?



JL: It was good enough to win today! But we all have problems, always. Today we had problems, and we have to speak to the Japanese. Especially we need to improve the engine, because we don't have enough power compared to Ducati and Honda. So we have a lot of work to do.
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Oh dear I will have to explain. For Rossiofsky and Mick D
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I'm sure this is pretty much what Jum and TP are alluding to.



Example 1. Ok Stoners bike was fast on the straights, isn't it? But this year he has lost a lot of corner speed compared to the last few years ...... which in the past has given him great entry speed to any straight. So the corner speed is critical. And in the past it has catapulted the likes of Stoner to the fore. But they seem to have lost that. ANd now only have a fast straight line bike ...... but look where thats getting them
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Example 2. Lorenzo, currently has great corner speed ( trademark Yam ) so however he feels that on the straights he should have more, and I'm sure wants more. As he sees that as the area he can improve ie. he feels he is "on the edge" in the corners. So the obvious way to increase overall lap time for him is better his straight line speed
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A track has corners and straights, they are all linked there's no stopping for lights of crossings etc. at each corner or straight they are all joined by a good "line" in a hopefully continous lap that gives the best time. Fast in the corners usually means you get the best result out of the next straight as you entered it faster. Fast down a straight means diddly if you have no grip for the corners. And the amount of time spent on the straights is relatively minimal ( so little time to lose or gain there )



As the worst case example: Imagine trying to race a Top fuel Drag Car against a GP bike first on a drag strip then on a GP track . The only thing is that the "grey" area is much narrower between differing GP bikes.
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rossiofsky said:
No i,m cool, but i cant be polite to someone who isn't polite to me.

i have said what i think (right or wrong), and it hasn't been an offend to anyone, why should those who i know they are a lot more in love with their favorites and more blind to reality than i am, take their own idea so serious, that they have to talk bull$hit instead of explaining and discussing the things?



I haven't any problem with someone who hates or talks bad about Rossi, or anyother favorite rider of mine, but i wont close my eyes on those losers who want to take care of their own pain by insulting fans of their nightmares. that's just the loser mentality.



the guys who go to koma after a simple dnf of thier favorites, call others boppers.
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No thats "wacko" talk ...... not saying we don't see a lot of it round here
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but its sad to see you "lose it" to that level. You started out semi rational
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BarryMachine said:
No thats "wacko" talk ...... not saying we don't see a lot of it round here
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but its sad to see you "lose it" to that level. You started out semi rational
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Had you seen it from me to go and offend anyone with any remark at all?

everyone is responssible for himself.





now back to high speeds and corner speeds:



ok what you say is right, but we have only 1 indication here and that's the high speed tables, and nothing can insure us that faster bikes on the straits are always slower at the corners or vice versa.



isn't it possible to have a fast/est bike for both on the straits and corners? how do we know that the Duc or Honda's are slower than Yamaha's in the corners?
 
BarryMachine said:
Oh dear I will have to explain. For Rossiofsky and Mick D
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Thanks Captain-.......-Obvious... The REAL point being is that for THE ULTIMATE LAP TIME all the stars have to align. That means ENTRY SPEED, CORNER SPEED, EXIT SPEED and TOP SPEED.



Mastodon said:
of course Lorenzo wants more power. every rider wants more of everything.
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Thanks Mast!! You'd think it would go without saying... Jorge wants his bike to work perfectly (as does EVERY OTHER RIDER). Jorge thinks his Yamaha needs more power, who are we to argue? Casey needs more front end feel, again - who are we to argue? I think they know what they need to achieve their ultimate best, whether it be for lap times or race results...
 
finally, will be able to post!
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Congrats to Lorenzo! that was such a huge lead. stunning, and well done!
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SPIEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
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actually, i had a hard choosing who to cheer for. I want RdP to have a podium place. then i realized i want nicky out of the 4th place and into the podium, then ben came charging and i want him on the podium too!!!
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anyway, congrats to all! ROLL ON ASSEN!!!
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rossiofsky said:
and who would be that bopper me or you and those who go to coma when their favorites crashes out of a race and it takes them 48 huors before comming here and go further with their Sadomasochistic comments about Rossi with his unfair advantages and control on fim and on Bridgestone and Dorna and...



when would some losers get their heads out of their ..... and realise that hating Rossi and watching Motogp is just beaing Sadomasochist.

Enjoy your pain.



10 to 15 seconds with a few km more speed is a few meters or not sado? Enjoy your pain and rub further.
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Sorry I did not post quick enough for you but sometimes I am busy and can't play with you. I am surprised you think you know me well enough to call me a 'loser'. Maybe we could compare lives one day!



Mick D said:
Weird that experts like you and Jum don't worry about power/top speed when jokers who don't know .... about the sport like Jorge think it IS important...



From mottomatters.com:



Q: You finished nearly 7 seconds ahead of your rivals. What did you do to set up your bike to achieve this? Was it easy to find a setup?



JL: It was good enough to win today! But we all have problems, always. Today we had problems, and we have to speak to the Japanese. Especially we need to improve the engine, because we don't have enough power compared to Ducati and Honda. So we have a lot of work to do.
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I don't see where Jorge asks for more 'top speed'? Can you point it out for me?



rossiofsky said:
Had you seen it from me to go and offend anyone with any remark at all?

everyone is responssible for himself.





now back to high speeds and corner speeds:



ok what you say is right, but we have only 1 indication here and that's the high speed tables, and nothing can insure us that faster bikes on the straits are always slower at the corners or vice versa.



isn't it possible to have a fast/est bike for both on the straits and corners? how do we know that the Duc or Honda's are slower than Yamaha's in the corners?
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So what are lap times for? I thought a lap time gave an indication of who was fastest around the whole circuit and just so you know this is called 'circuit racing'. I am going to have to rethink every thing if a speed trap is the only indication of how good a bike is.



Now just to finish this pathetic debate about top speeds and how gifted a person is because they have the slowest bike in a 100m section of a 2-4k race circuit. There are these other things called race time and average race speed. The guy who crosses the line first has the lowest of one and the highest of the other. These 2 stats are facts and they give a true indication of the bike and rider package because it is always the bike and rider package that has the right amount of braking, acceleration, corner speed, top speed etc over the full length of the race that gets the best of these stats. We have seen time and time again that a bike and rider package that finishes at the back of the field has the highest top speed. What we have NEVER EVER EVER seen is the bike and rider package that has the lowest race time and highest average speed finish anywhere but first place. I think this is what you would call DEFINITIVE!
 
Mick D said:
Thanks Captain-.......-Obvious... The REAL point being is that for THE ULTIMATE LAP TIME all the stars have to align. That means ENTRY SPEED, CORNER SPEED, EXIT SPEED and TOP SPEED.
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Wouldn't that be the highest average speed around the track? Top speed helps those that need the handicap to make up for their weekness in your comments above.



Honestly as Top speed goes, there are only a few tracks where it might factor in just a hair. And yes when you have two equal riders top speed does factor in you cant deny that, cough, cough 2007.
 
rossiofsky said:
Had you seen it from me to go and offend anyone with any remark at all?

everyone is responssible for himself.





now back to high speeds and corner speeds:



ok what you say is right, but we have only 1 indication here and that's the high speed tables, and nothing can insure us that faster bikes on the straits are always slower at the corners or vice versa.



isn't it possible to have a fast/est bike for both on the straits and corners? how do we know that the Duc or Honda's are slower than Yamaha's in the corners?
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I think its simple to understand..

Every track has straight's & corners nothing else. If your top speed is slower compared to others and you still produce same lap times then it clearly reflects that your bike's has superior ability & speed in the corners.



This is just my openion and I may or may not be right..

-Ajith
 
TP70 said:
Sorry I did not post quick enough for you but sometimes I am busy and can't play with you. I am surprised you think you know me well enough to call me a 'loser'. Maybe we could compare lives one day!
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I wrote:

when would some losers get their heads out of their ..... and realise that Hating Rossi and watching Motogp is just being Sadomasochist.



I have said SOME, So if you see yourself among those, then be my guess!
 
rossiofsky said:
I wrote:

when would some losers get their heads out of their ..... and realise that Hating Rossi and watching Motogp is just being Sadomasochist.



I have said SOME, So if you see yourself among those, then be my guess!
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L8Braker said:
...he's hooking....he's hooking.........damn Rock what's wrong with you?........tomorrow.....there is no tomorrow......there is no tomorrow.....
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anyone know the movie?
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It's Rocky III isn't it?



The one where they write off the old man & he comes back to kick .... There's something familiar about that
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Goatboy said:
It's Rocky III isn't it?



The one where they write off the old man & he comes back to kick .... There's something familiar about that
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Yea, that's it.



I know we're off topic, just saw the cat fight picture and for whatever reason that popped into my head.
 
Ajith said:
I think its simple to understand..

Every track has straight's & corners nothing else. If your top speed is slower compared to others and you still produce same lap times then it clearly reflects that your bike's has superior ability & speed in the corners.



This is just my openion and I may or may not be right..

-Ajith
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OR, the rider does.
 

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