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MotoGP back in action at Sepang Test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 5 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>quit with them negative vibes pov!
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remember ben was just gonna finish in the top 5 in his 1st year in wsbk...
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Not really being negative, just realistic. Im sure Ben will find more speed but the others will to. Once he gets on a factory big bike, it may help even out the difference but keep in mind, Rossi, Pedro and Stoner were fast on the big bikes also. As far as WSBK, i fully expected him to compete for the title, i didnt expect him to have one of,if not the most dominating season in the history of the series
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 5 2010, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dude flys the TEXAS flag on his person and bikes...nuff said style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Exactly, Tennessee people need to let it go.

Rossi stated that it was important to be leading the time sheets
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He was what .4 off his pole position time from last year. Gives me a pretty good idea of where they are already.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 6 2010, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>testing 1-2-3 testing...... it's just a test folks.... & the 1st 1 of the season to boot. don't read to much into it just yet. the irta test is closest we'll see the true levels of performance until qatar.

There's no IRTA test this year, (....... cost cutting) Next test is 24th-26th February at Sepang,
17th-19th March Qatar. The racing starts in a few weeks after the last test.
Bring it on.......
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Feb 5 2010, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's no IRTA test this year, (....... cost cutting) Next test is 24th-26th February at Sepang,
17th-19th March Qatar. The racing starts in a few weeks after the last test.
Bring it on.......

Defnitely, there isn't much time to be wanking it around. They got to hit the ground running and find there race setup quick. All riders are stressing the importance of every minute on the track and the fact there is a lot less testing. I think the tests are going to be a much better indicator of what the race pace is going to look like than what we have seen in the past.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 5 2010, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>suck it.. suck it long..suck it hard. you know who im talking to style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

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Yeah....what was it that Tardozzi said again? Maybe somethings wrong with the timing devices!!!! CS couldn't be second, 0.5 off the pace?? Surely not, he is the best rider in Motogp
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My apologies for calling CS the stupidest rider in motogp. I didnt realize Mika Killio was still in gp. Honest mistake, must of missed the thread about him resigning.
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His times suck. I think he is shooting for rookie of the year again, cause in my eyes it belongs to spies for his performance at Valencia. Out preformed all the rookies for an entire year in one race!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 6 2010, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My apologies for calling CS the stupidest rider in motogp. I didnt realize Mika Killio was still in gp. Honest mistake, must of missed the thread about him resigning.
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His times suck. I think he is shooting for rookie of the year again, cause in my eyes it belongs to spies for his performance at Valencia. Out preformed all the rookies for an entire year in one race!
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Yes indeed, the other rookies with lots of smaller class gp experience aren't looking too flash either at present, Alvaro is making huge progress on cv.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Feb 5 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%There's no IRTA test this year, (....... cost cutting) Next test is 24th-26th February at Sepang,
17th-19th March Qatar. The racing starts in a few weeks after the last test.
Bring it on.......
u know i realized that about an hour after i posted this.....
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so i guess the qatar test will be the tell all..... no bmw shootout anymore either. bring back the good ole days of 5 or 6 3 full day tests thru the winter!
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There's all ways something being done or rumoured.ffs. Dorkna

800cc four-stroke machines could ace against a batch of new 1000cc bikes in MotoGP in 2012, MCN can reveal.

In a surprise development on the second and final day of testing at the Sepang circuit in Malaysia, Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta confirmed to MCN that he fully expected a split grid of 800cc and 1000cc bikes in 2012.

It was thought the current 800cc machines, which have been blamed for making MotoGP much less spectacular and entertaining since their introduction in 2007, would be scrapped in favour of an exclusive 1000cc format.

But MCN understands several factories want to continue racing 800s having invested heavily in the smaller capacity format since the 990cc capacity was abolished at the end of 2006.

Dorna boss Ezpeleta, facing mounting pressure to slash costs and stop plummeting grid numbers, flew into Kuala Lumpur especially for talks with the Motorcycle Sport Manufacturers Association and International Race Teams Association to thrash out further details of the 2012 regulations.

It was agreed unanimously prior to Christmas that MotoGP would allow 1000cc bikes with a maximum cylinder bore measurement of 81mm into MotoGP in 2012.
But in Sepang it emerged today that the 800s could be given a stay of execution, with the MSMA presenting more concrete details of the future format.

Details of rules for the 2012 premier class campaign have not been revealed after several secret meetings took place in the Far East. A definitive set of rules will be unveiled following a meeting of the Grand Prix Commission in Barcelona on February 17.

But MCN understands the rules have been set to ensure close competition between the 800s and 1000cc bikes, with different fuel tank size and weight limits to ensure there is no major performance disparity.

It is not the first time that MotoGP could have a split grid. In 2002 when the first 990cc four-strokes were introduced, the majority of the field ran 500cc two-strokes.
The grid only became exclusive for 990cc four-strokes in 2003.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Feb 5 2010, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But MCN understands the rules have been set to ensure close competition between the 800s and 1000cc bikes, with different fuel tank size and weight limits to ensure there is no major performance disparity.
Great, just frigging great.

The 1000cc bilkes will be allowed less (?!) gas than the 800s?
Way to .... THINGS UP, idiots!!!!

I'm not real keen on mixed classes, but could 'live' with a rev limts, weight penalties, and maybe even a nasty throttle body restrictor for a year or so if they people were really having trouble acquiring a 1000cc engine.  But to limit fuel is just soooo stupid.  IMO, the gas crisis is what has largely ruined the 800cc bikes in the first place.  Another 200cc won't do .... if the computer is always second guessing the rider, limiting power, and disallowing any sort of 'wasteful' riding techniques.

These fucknuts have completely missed the point - AGAIN!
EffWun, here we come....

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Feb 5 2010, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 1000cc bilkes will be allowed less (?!) gas than the 800s?
Way to .... THINGS UP, idiots!!!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes indeed, the other rookies with lots of smaller class gp experience aren't looking too flash either at present, Alvaro is making huge progress on cv.....

For one thing Bautista is a world champion and not on a hot rodded superbike but a real gp bike so CV is trumped there for all time. Secondly, Bautista has replaced CV and if there was a doubt in Dennings mind of either's potential things would not be as they are. He has the seat and a difficult seat it is but don't think that the 250 championship wasn't waiting for him this year should he have declined Suzuki's offer (and the series still existed), it was his. He stepped up and the series is better for it. I would like to see CV on a 250 riding for podium after podium....never happen.

There is so much for a new rider to do. Don't forget that Spies has had several MotoGP practises and several races under his belt (not to mention the best ride on the grid) while Bautista has had almost no experience on a 230hp MotoGP bike at all comparatively. Hopper kicked CV's ... for a good long time and he couldn't hold up Bautista for one second.

This is not racing yet and I'll be the first to break the news to you but no one expects any rookie to take the championship and none will. This is a year of learning and we'll see how it goes. I'm not going to be putting any rider down especially one that hasn't even raced yet. The record he has to beat to better CV's is not that tall an order.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Feb 5 2010, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great, just frigging great.

The 1000cc bilkes will be allowed less (?!) gas than the 800s?
Way to .... THINGS UP, idiots!!!!

I'm not real keen on mixed classes, but could 'live' with a rev limts, weight penalties, and maybe even a nasty throttle body restrictor for a year or so if they people were really having trouble acquiring a 1000cc engine. But to limit fuel is just soooo stupid. IMO, the gas crisis is what has largely ruined the 800cc bikes in the first place. Another 200cc won't do .... if the computer is always second guessing the rider, limiting power, and disallowing any sort of 'wasteful' riding techniques.

These fucknuts have completely missed the point - AGAIN!
EffWun, here we come....

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I'll be surprised if they ever get it!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Yeah....what was it that Tardozzi said again? Maybe somethings wrong with the timing devices!!!! CS couldn't be second, 0.5 off the pace?? Surely not, he is the best rider in Motogp
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Whilst I wasn't among those to agree with tardozzi that stoner is currently the best rider in motogp, as you are well aware when not attempting to incite stoner fans world championships are not won by pre-season testing times particularly at one circuit, and this applies even to valentino. Stoner lost the world championships in 2008 and 2009 after mostly being the fastest in pre-season testing but wasn't fastest in 2007 pre-season testing even on the apparently unfair bike. It is my hope, and only a hope, that casey will be more strategic in his approach after his various vicissitudes and I thought he showed some signs of this on his return last year (other than in the valencia warm-up lap
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As I said in the other thread valentino obviously looks to be in good shape whichever way you want to slice it, and it is possible that he and the bike are so fast he can't help but be 0.4 seconds faster than the field even holding back. However he did seem to want to dominate testing against his usual habit, and there may be something in what some are saying about him being partly motivated by a personal dislike of lorenzo and a wish to show him up. This is the only aspect where his apparent rivalry with lorenzo may help stoner; certainly I don't believe lack of access to jorge's data will trouble him. He did make more mistakes last year than is his wont however, particularly compared to 2008 when imo he rode as well as he and possibly anyone else has ever ridden. One interpretation is that jorge is so good that he challenged rossi more than anyone else ever has; my view is more that he can't stand to have jorge beat him even in an individual race particularly on "his" bike. Of course if by some chance stoner does start to look like a stronger rival than jorge, he may well re-focus.
 
Hopefully Rossi loses to Lorenzo then he will come back hungrier than ever next season
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Feb 5 2010, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's all ways something being done or rumoured.ffs. Dorkna

800cc four-stroke machines could ace against a batch of new 1000cc bikes in MotoGP in 2012, MCN can reveal.

In a surprise development on the second and final day of testing at the Sepang circuit in Malaysia, Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta confirmed to MCN that he fully expected a split grid of 800cc and 1000cc bikes in 2012.

It was thought the current 800cc machines, which have been blamed for making MotoGP much less spectacular and entertaining since their introduction in 2007, would be scrapped in favour of an exclusive 1000cc format.

But MCN understands several factories want to continue racing 800s having invested heavily in the smaller capacity format since the 990cc capacity was abolished at the end of 2006.

Dorna boss Ezpeleta, facing mounting pressure to slash costs and stop plummeting grid numbers, flew into Kuala Lumpur especially for talks with the Motorcycle Sport Manufacturers Association and International Race Teams Association to thrash out further details of the 2012 regulations.

It was agreed unanimously prior to Christmas that MotoGP would allow 1000cc bikes with a maximum cylinder bore measurement of 81mm into MotoGP in 2012.
But in Sepang it emerged today that the 800s could be given a stay of execution, with the MSMA presenting more concrete details of the future format.

Details of rules for the 2012 premier class campaign have not been revealed after several secret meetings took place in the Far East. A definitive set of rules will be unveiled following a meeting of the Grand Prix Commission in Barcelona on February 17.

But MCN understands the rules have been set to ensure close competition between the 800s and 1000cc bikes, with different fuel tank size and weight limits to ensure there is no major performance disparity.

It is not the first time that MotoGP could have a split grid. In 2002 when the first 990cc four-strokes were introduced, the majority of the field ran 500cc two-strokes.
The grid only became exclusive for 990cc four-strokes in 2003.

I hope Arrab doesn't fall out of his chair when he reads this.

Peep the avatar. It's more than just a pretty picture.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 6 2010, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whilst I wasn't among those to agree with tardozzi that stoner is currently the best rider in motogp, as you are well aware when not attempting to incite stoner fans world championships are not won by pre-season testing times particularly at one circuit, and this applies even to valentino. Stoner lost the world championships in 2008 and 2009 after mostly being the fastest in pre-season testing but wasn't fastest in 2007 pre-season testing even on the apparently unfair bike. It is my hope, and only a hope, that casey will be more strategic in his approach after his various vicissitudes and I thought he showed some signs of this on his return last year (other than in the valencia warm-up lap
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Yes Indeed, and after not winning the last two championships, his boppers are still calling him the best rider in Motogp??? Hmmmmm

Speaking of the Valencia Warm up lap, maybe CS could take a leaf out of VR's PR book and use a special livery to highlight one of the most spectacular F-ups in Motogp I've ever seen, Donkeys been done though, maybe he could use the other end of the Donkey on his helmet and call himself 'The ...'............
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 6 2010, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes Indeed, and after not winning the last two championships, his boppers are still calling him the best rider in Motogp??? Hmmmmm
Talpa, Valentino failed to win two championships in a row remember, and I would contend that he was still the best rider in Moto GP at the time. We tend to forget, that the margins between these guys is so incredibly close. On balance, Vale is still the greatest talent out there, and still has the edge....for now. We should celebrate the fact that although this accursed formula is so processional and divisive on track, there really isn't that great a gulf between the top four - soon to be five - riders in the championship


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 6 2010, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For one thing Bautista is a world champion and not on a hot rodded superbike but a real gp bike so CV is trumped there for all time. Secondly, Bautista has replaced CV and if there was a doubt in Dennings mind of either's potential things would not be as they are. He has the seat and a difficult seat it is but don't think that the 250 championship wasn't waiting for him this year should he have declined Suzuki's offer (and the series still existed), it was his. He stepped up and the series is better for it. I would like to see CV on a 250 riding for podium after podium....never happen.
I like Alvaro, and he is very quick but he currently lacks the consistency, and guile necessary to make his mark in Moto GP. I'll say again, this is Sepang, which flatters to deceive when it comes to the zook. Bautista may well put in the odd inspired ride this year, but much like CV he'll need the elements on his side and a couple of good decisions to rostrum, and right now the latter is not his forte. I agree with your point that he has the necessary pedigree, but I liked CV, he was a clever rider. It's not merely the lack of BHP that will hinder Avaro, but also, his lack of IQ.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 6 2010, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope Arrab doesn't fall out of his chair when he reads this.
Actually I do all my posting reclined on a Queen Anne Chaise Lounge, tended by a legion of concubines and surrounded by a sea of luxurious cushions imported from Morocco and exquisitely crafted from the finest silk and velvet fabric, exotic gold embroidery, handpicked Swarovski and Zircon crystals and finished with handcrafted brocade and beadwork. So there really isn't that far to fall.

Having said that, and having just picked myself up, I suppose, we should have seen this one coming. It's really no surprise that some factory efforts having invested so much will be anxious to continue with the benefits that an 800 GP bike can confer. It is Dorna that are anxious to slash the costs to swell the grid, not so much the likes of HRC who have the resources to instantly ramp up their investment once the global economy shows more pronounced signs of revival. These current bikes have not even come close to the peak of their development, and as far as the MSMA would view the matter a move back to the 1litre class would be almost a retrogressive step - particularly now that Dorna have sounded out this ludicrous proposal to emasculate them in the face of retaining 800cc entries. In the light of this, who would want to be on a 990? All this will do is favour the big budget Factory Teams, and drive up the lease price of a much coveted satellite 800cc bike. It solves nothing, nor will it increase the spectacle which is something Dorna were supposedly anxious to do
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 6 2010, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually I do all my posting reclined on a Queen Anne Chaise Lounge, tended by a legion of concubines and surrounded by a sea of luxurious cushions imported from Morocco and exquisitely crafted from the finest silk and velvet fabric, exotic gold embroidery, handpicked Swarovski and Zircon crystals and finished with handcrafted brocade and beadwork. So there really isn't that far to fall.

Having said that, and having just picked myself up, I suppose, we should have seen this one coming. It's really no surprise that some factory efforts having invested so much will be anxious to continue with the benefits that an 800 GP bike can confer. It is Dorna that are anxious to slash the costs to swell the grid, not so much the likes of HRC who have the resources to instantly ramp up their investment once the global economy shows more pronounced signs of revival. These current bikes have not even come close to the peak of their development, and as far as the MSMA would view the matter a move back to the 1litre class would be almost a retrogressive step - particularly now that Dorna have sounded out this ludicrous proposal to emasculate them in the face of retaining 800cc entries. In the light of this, who would want to be on a 990? All this will do is favour the big budget Factory Teams, and drive up the lease price of a much coveted satellite 800cc bike. It solves nothing, nor will it increase the spectacle which is something Dorna were supposedly anxious to do
Doesn't everyone post in such a situation?

Dorna will screw up any rule change they make, particularly when the aim is cost-cutting where as many have said probably the most important contributor to cost is too frequent rule changes. Even the tyre rule whilst superficially and initially possibly somewhat successful will likely lead to bridgestone following michelin out of the sport.

God knows what the possible subtexts to the litre rule are, but if they are still planning for modified production engines to be eligible they may have different fuel limits for them. The flamminis were quoted in a recent article in the australian motorcycle press as saying they will sue if dorna attempts to bring any production based engine into motogp though.
 

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