MotoGP: 2016 Round 06 - Gran Premio d'Italia TIM (SPOILERS)

9TimeGod · May 23, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
I do feel that between Vale's blown motor and Iannone's bogged down clutch we may have been denied one of the potentially greatest races in the 67 year history of this championship.

Exactly. This is why the race should have been red flagged to check for oil on the track and Vale allowed to restart on his backup bike. Those fans paid good money to watch a whole race but instead got screwed. MotoGp would be unwatchable and in dire financial straits if Vale wasnt around.
Dorna should take a hard look at themselves and think twice about biting the fans that feed them

moto vudu · May 23, 2016

Just look at these savages.

Little Walter · May 23, 2016

Daniboy said:
You missed the point, Jorge didn't get away despite having an empty track in front and nobody hassling him till Marquez got there.

Your point is based on the specious narrative that MM "easily" caught up. I called you on that and you are deflecting instead of addressing the question asked.

danski · May 23, 2016

moto vudu said:
Just look at these savages.

That place is definitely on my bucket list, going to do it in the next couple of years for sure.

danski · May 23, 2016

Little Walter said:
Your point is based on the specious narrative that MM "easily" caught up. I called you on that and you are deflecting instead of addressing the question asked.

If your quoting me at least get the words right, I actually said without much difficulty. Check back if you don't believe me.

MiddayGun · May 23, 2016

9TimeGod said:
Exactly. This is why the race should have been red flagged to check for oil on the track and Vale allowed to restart on his backup bike. Those fans paid good money to watch a whole race but instead got screwed. MotoGp would be unwatchable and in dire financial straits if Vale wasnt around.
Dorna should take a hard look at themselves and think twice about biting the fans that feed them

Got to wonder who is pulling the strings of this account.

JPSLotus · May 23, 2016

Daniboy said:
If your quoting me at least get the words right, I actually said without much difficulty. Check back if you don't believe me.

He completed the task without much difficulty.

He completed the task easily.

I'll grant you that saying without much difficulty means there was some difficulty to be had, albeit rather trivial in matter otherwise one would be saying that "He completed the task with difficulty". Arguing connotation versus denotation is tiresome. Most people would take the connotative meaning out of that sentence rather than the denotative meaning. But at the end of the day, you're arguing over split hairs since both are conveying a similar intent in daily vernacular.

The RC213V is the most difficult bike to ride on the grid, and MM was riding on the ragged edge over the final laps to work himself into an overtaking position. MM has been nothing short of remarkable on that bike this year, and has had to work for every position he has finished in. Nothing he does out there on that bike should ever be said to be easy or implied to be easy frankly.

JPSLotus · May 23, 2016

MiddayGun said:
Got to wonder who is pulling the strings of this account.

propagandhi is.

povol · May 23, 2016

JPSLotus said:
He completed the task without much difficulty.

He completed the task easily.

I'll grant you that saying without much difficulty means there was some difficulty to be had, albeit rather trivial in matter otherwise one would be saying that "He completed the task with difficulty". Arguing connotation versus denotation is tiresome. Most people would take the connotative meaning out of that sentence rather than the denotative meaning. But at the end of the day, you're arguing over split hairs since both are conveying a similar intent in daily vernacular.

The RC213V is the most difficult bike to ride on the grid, and MM was riding on the ragged edge over the final laps to work himself into an overtaking position. MM has been nothing short of remarkable on that bike this year, and has had to work for every position he has finished in. Nothing he does out there on that bike should ever be said to be easy or implied to be easy frankly.

And it took him half the race to make up 8/10ths after Rossi blew up. So easy though.

povol · May 23, 2016

Little Walter said:
Your point is based on the specious narrative that MM "easily" caught up. I called you on that and you are deflecting instead of addressing the question asked.

Not to mention they are totally avoiding the fact that the only place Rossi could show Lorenzo a wheel was in the draft

Arrabbiata1 · May 23, 2016

I recall at Laguna Seca 2006 when Valentino was forced to slow due to ailing grip. The ambient temperature was over 100F and the track temperature was something ridiculous like 140F. The cooling failed and the M1 spectacularly blew as he crested turn 2. I was outfied at Andretti and captured it on camcorder, and it looked identical to yesterday. The dirty air theory is plausible were it not for the fact as has been pointed out that it was about 66F when Lorenzo's engine let go. Ambient race temp was only about 78F so this shouldn't have been particularly problematic even given that Rossi was in Lorenzo's tailpipe so I agree that it is unlikely to do with overheating.

They will already have diagnosed the fragile top end and have solution ready to effect but as Pov quite rightly observes, I think it unlikely that HRC, given the inherent problems with their own motor will give their blessing.

Thinking about this, I recalled another M1 self destruct job - again at Sachsenring in addition to Nicky's RCV212 mash up. Can't recall the year but it was Lorenzo, and it was an ugly bottom end dump as I recall.

Worth watching this again. I hope Sykes had to pay for the additional damage he caused...

I love the way he detonates the casing.

danski · May 23, 2016

povol said:
Not to mention they are totally avoiding the fact that the only place Rossi could show Lorenzo a wheel was in the draft

I haven't entered any thoughts on Rossi other than his dnf, my point was Jorge's great escape did not happen, even though he had no interruptions to his preferred racing lines , it was one of your posts that said 'if he gets into a rhythm the race is over'

JPSLotus · May 23, 2016

Daniboy said:
I haven't entered any thoughts on Rossi other than his dnf, my point was Jorge's great escape did not happen, even though he had no interruptions to his preferred racing lines , it was one of your posts that said 'if he gets into a rhythm the race is over'

He never had a great escape at Valencia last year. He did however ride one of the finest pressure races I have ever witnessed in my life, and I am sure you would agree that his rhythm was sensational.

danski · May 23, 2016

JPSLotus said:
He never had a great escape at Valencia last year. He did however ride one of the finest pressure races I have ever witnessed in my life, and I am sure you would agree that his rhythm was sensational.

Yep, I was there and his whole race was perfection, and yesterday his fighting spirit in the last lap, brilliant! Still don't like his attitude at times but he is a great racer.

povol · May 23, 2016

Daniboy said:
I haven't entered any thoughts on Rossi other than his dnf, my point was Jorge's great escape did not happen, even though he had no interruptions to his preferred racing lines , it was one of your posts that said 'if he gets into a rhythm the race is over'

You dont have to disappear to be in rhythm. Its all about having the freedom to take your prefered line. If Rossi is in front of him or showing him a wheel, he can take away Lorenzo's freedom. He wanted desperately to be in front but couldnt get it done. If he coulda, he woulda.

povol · May 23, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
I recall at Laguna Seca 2006 when Valentino was forced to slow due to ailing grip. The ambient temperature was over 100F and the track temperature was something ridiculous like 140F. The cooling failed and the M1 spectacularly blew as he crested turn 2. I was outfied at Andretti and captured it on camcorder, and it looked identical to yesterday. The dirty air theory is plausible were it not for the fact as has been pointed out that it was about 66F when Lorenzo's engine let go. Ambient race temp was only about 78F so this shouldn't have been particularly problematic even given that Rossi was in Lorenzo's tailpipe so I agree that it is unlikely to do with overheating.

They will already have diagnosed the fragile top end and have solution ready to effect but as Pov quite rightly observes, I think it unlikely that HRC, given the inherent problems with their own motor will give their blessing.

Thinking about this, I recalled another M1 self destruct job - again at Sachsenring in addition to Nicky's RCV212 mash up. Can't recall the year but it was Lorenzo, and it was an ugly bottom end dump as I recall.

Worth watching this again. I hope Sykes had to pay for the additional damage he caused...

I love the way he detonates the casing.

Lets say their is a weak part in the valve train that can simply be fixed by replacing it with a stronger part. What would keep Dorna from allowing them to fix it while telling the public and other competitors the request has been denied. I know the engines are sealed and tagged, but without each team having eyes on everyones engines at all times.What would keep a team from breaking open the engines if the keeper of the rules turned their head to save the company tens of millions in lost revenue if say a third of the fan base tuned out because their rider was eliminated from contention because of blown engines.

danski · May 23, 2016

povol said:
You dont have to disappear to be in rhythm. Its all about having the freedom to take your prefered line. If Rossi is in front of him or showing him a wheel, he can take away Lorenzo's freedom. He wanted desperately to be in front but couldnt get it done. If he coulda, he woulda.

I'm not getting drawn into coulda woulda land, Marquez did show him quite a few wheels though, upsetting that rhythm somewhat and giving me a reason to cheer him on.

moto vudu · May 23, 2016

If Yamaha's problem is related to safety, it's not the same as Honda wanting to modify their engines for better acceleration. I'm sure Honda probably wouldn't want to allow Yamaha to even correct a safety issue, but what goes around comes around and they could be in a similar situation in the future.

JohnnyKnockdown · May 23, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Looks a lot like you.

My .... are bigger

Little Walter · May 23, 2016

Daniboy said:
If your quoting me at least get the words right, I actually said without much difficulty. Check back if you don't believe me.

Regardless, you continue to deflect. You won't reply to my question, not because you are obtuse. This is only a pretense. You won't reply because like most boppers, you lack the moral fiber to admit when you are wrong, which is 99% of the time.

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