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this was probably the best race of lorenzo's career, magnificent defense, aggressive when needed,improvisation, total concentration ,... and winning a race when he was not the fastest rider on the field.(cant remember too many of those).

as far as the champpionship goes it would be interesting to see if marquez still can go with the same tactic now that he is down, specially since the next 2 races are favoring yamaha more than honda.
 
For JKD, Casey Stoner is living the dream in Tuscany...

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povol said:
I dont think he should be allowed on the podium if he didnt finish top 3. He can go mingle if he wants to show his appreciation.
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Your right he shouldn't be allowed, but that's never stopped him before.
 
JPSLotus said:
What was your take on the race?

You've been rather quiet about the whole thing.
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Still gobsmacked by Moto3.

I think that Vale lacked the pace to break away but certainly the speed to disrupt Lorenzo's rhythm which might have been the decisive factor, particularly given Márquez's late surge.

I'll have to watch it back but didn't both Yamaha's let go under engine braking? so perhaps the gearbox isn't as seamless as it should be. I found Kropotkin's speculations very interesting in respect of a top end demolition and perhaps linked to the higher rev ceiling together exacerbated by the demands of the circuit. I recall a few motors throwing rods during the 800 formula, but as others have pointed out, this double failure was unprecedented. Incidentally, does anyone recall Nicky's Pedrocycle self destructing at Sachsenring and Randy Mamola hopping over pit wall to retrieve pieces of shattered valve and cam train?

I do feel that between Vale's blown motor and Iannone's bogged down clutch we may have been denied one of the potentially greatest races in the 67 year history of this championship.
 
moto vudu said:
Sounds like you need to watch the race again. If Rossi was only gaining time on Lorenzo on the straight, when he went wide in turn 1 he never would've closed the gap again. He was also testing lines in various corners and showed Lorenzo a wheel once or twice. He was setting up more overtaking attempts.
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Sounds like you do. NOT ONCE did Rossi's front tire break the plane of Lorenzo's rear tire except at the end of the straight. Another thing, you keep acting like Rossi lost some huge amount of time when he went wide at the end of lap 1.He didnt, it was about 4-5 bike lengths and didnt even come close to losing a position. Even the announcers were babbling about how Rossi had to get around Lorenzo to mess up his ryhthm, because if he allowed him to get into that ryhthm the race was over. He wasnt testing or biding time, he wanted past and couldnt do it.
 
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povol said:
Sounds like you do. NOT ONCE did Rossi's front tire break the plane of Lorenzo's rear tire except at the end of the straight. Another thing, you keep acting like Rossi lost some huge amount of time when he went wide at the end of lap 1.He didnt, it was about 4-5 bike lengths and didnt even come close to losing a position. Even the announcers were babbling about how Rossi had to get around Lorenzo to mess up his ryhthm, because if he allowed him to get into that ryhthm the race was over. He wasnt testing or biding time, he wanted past and couldnt do it.
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When he was alone up front after VR retired he didn't really get into that rhythm as MM latched onto him without much difficulty. He said himself the pace wasn't fast.
 
#22 said:
See, all the "woulda shoulda coulda" cobblers again J4rno. Why can't you admit it? Povol made a factually correct statement that for the 9 laps they were racing together on track, Lorenzo was beating Rossi something fierce on the brakes. That is inquestionably the case, so why can't you admit that?

Rossi MAY have passed him later in the race, but the fact is that for those 9 laps at least, Lorenzo had Rossi covered under brakes. You'd get some credibility back if you at least admitted that without spinning it into how Rossi was going to show Lorenzo his ass. The fact is he didn't.
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I made a disclaimer at the very beginning, saying that the "what if" debate is moot -- moot in the sense that we will never arrive at any objective "truth" with it. So stop indulging the facile irony about the "woulda shoulda coulda" and offer your insights, if you have any.

I am posting my thoughts honestly. People point out Rossi's mistake at the San Donato, and I point out that precisely after that mistake he was able to catch Lorenzo again in less than a lap. Make what you want of it, but there he showed some margin.

Then of course, Lorenzo rode impeccably with the pace he had, fought a beautiful battle with Marquez at the last lap, and won. You can't fault him for not beating who wasn't there. I am not detracting from his merits -- even less frm those of Marquez, who showed once more how he can ride. I say Rossi has something concrete to regret this time -- that's all.
 
Daniboy said:
When he was alone up front after VR retired he didn't really get into that rhythm as MM latched onto him without much difficulty. He said himself the pace wasn't fast.
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What is it with you guys? Why do you insist on saying things which are patently untrue? Unless you watched the race on an I-Watch, you could not help but see that Marquez was near to losing the front end all through the last 4 laps. He was doing a brilliant imitation of Stoner on the Ducati, all out of shape and losing ridiculous amounts of time on the straights due to excessive wheel spin - much worse than the Yamaha and Ducati. You think that was easy?
 
Little Walter said:
What is it with you guys? Why do you insist on saying things which are patently untrue? Unless you watched the race on an I-Watch, you could not help but see that Marquez was near to losing the front end all through the last 4 laps. He was doing a brilliant imitation of Stoner on the Ducati, all out of shape and losing ridiculous amounts of time on the straights due to excessive wheel spin - much worse than the Yamaha and Ducati. You think that was easy?
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You missed the point, Jorge didn't get away despite having an empty track in front and nobody hassling him till Marquez got there.
 

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