MotoGP: 2015 round 18 - Valencia (SPOILERS)

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
You are free to think that of course -- still it is possible that I understand Italian colloquial phrases a little better than Krops (or most people here), isn't it.

Only J4rn0 understands Rossi. I love how some are so trusting of J4nOs INTERPRETATION. Maybe we should also ask Rossi to INTERPRET Marquez actions since Rossi speaks Racing. Trust me guys, I know what I'm talking about. Yeah I ride a Yamaha but I know exactly what the Honda is capable of. Oh and yeah, I didn't mean for him to crash when I took him wide and stutter stepped the bike until he crashed. Trust me.

I'm glad that was caught on tape. Just a tiny glimpse into the mind of Rossi and his relationship with the most influential person in the sport. I can imagine the conversations that go on in secret! Motorhome or otherwise. The body language of Carmelo was priceless. A man who knew he was in trouble and the tongue lashing that was sure to come.

J4rn0 · Nov 9, 2015

Jumkie said:
Only J4rn0 understands Rossi. I love how some are so trusting of J4nOs INTERPRETATION. Maybe we should also ask Rossi to INTERPRET Marquez actions since Rossi speaks Racing. Trust me guys, I know what I'm talking about. Yeah I ride a Yamaha but I know exactly what the Honda is capable of. Oh and yeah, I didn't mean for him to crash when I took him wide and stutter stepped the bike until he crashed. Trust me.

I'm glad that was caught on tape. Just a tiny glimpse into the mind of Rossi and his relationship with the most influential person in the sport. I can imagine the conversations that go on in secret! Motorhome or otherwise. The body language of Carmelo was priceless. A man who knew he was in trouble and the tongue lashing that was sure to come.

Great stuff Jums.
Understanding Italian is twisted into understanding Rossi's mind. Super. Nice twist. Understanding nonsense must equate to understanding you then? Can't promise anything, but I'll try...

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

p4p1 said:
Lin Jarvis comes off as a guy who loathes whinging.

Then you should watch his interview where he defends Rossi.

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
Great stuff Jums.
Understanding Italian is twisted into understanding Rossi's mind. Super. Nice twist. Understanding nonsense must equate to understanding you then? Can't promise anything, but I'll try... [emoji14]

Thnx J4rn0, have you turned the corner yet? Are you at step 3 now?

5 steps of loss and grief:

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

J4rn0 · Nov 9, 2015

Dr No said:
Sure.
But I'm not referring to the words.
Krop's greater point concerned the power balance.

Sorry, I forgot that Valentino Rossi controls this sport sitting in his motorhome with Ezpeleta. What a terrible job he does for himself, though. But sure it must be him and Ezy, just helplessly clumsy, nah?

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
I would like to make a few points. I think Lorenzo deserved his title (obviously), he just had it made a little easier for him. But he may not even have needed the little help from his friends.

I do not even blame the Spaniards for playing it patriotically, as Lorenzo himself admitted after the race. That's actually not a scandal, and btw each rider is free to let another rider win. Or not to, if he can.

I think Rossi feels there is an enemy, and he's probably right, but he's not seeing clearly who this is. If you think it matter of fact, you see that for Honda it is by far preferable that it is Lorenzo winning his 5th title, rather than Rossi winning his 10th.

Why? Because like this they are spared the huge mediatic and marketing wave of Valentino Rossi winning his 10th titlle on the Yamaha. That, they didn't weant for sure. If it has to be a Yamaha, Lorenzo's is far better.

Fact.

Iannone enemy. SCRATCH
Lorenzo enemy. SCRATCH
Marquez enemy. SCRATCH

Honda enemy....

J4rn0 said:
Nobody will ever know, but certainly Honda Marketing Division had more reasons to pay £200,000 for making sure that Rossi didn't win his 10th title for the competition, imo.

WVMotoGP99 · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
Sorry, I forgot that Valentino Rossi controls this sport sitting in his motorhome with Ezpeleta. What a terrible job he does for himself, though. But sure it must be him and Ezy, just helplessly clumsy, nah?

Would you request, even nicely, of your executive management to come by your office to discuss an issue you were having with other employees?

J4rn0 · Nov 9, 2015

Jumkie said:
Thnx J4rn0, have you turned the corner yet? Are you at step 3 now?

5 steps of loss and grief:

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I've no emotional stakes in Rossi's career, anyway thx for your kind concern Jums. But I can see that you are currently engaged in step 2 of the Perpetual Jumkie Cycle:

1. Utter a ton of nonsense written in a verbose and unreadable way.
2. Twist any sensible answers to said nonsense out of recognition and then attack at a personal level.
3. Ignore any further reply, change subject, and happily go back to step 1.

It's a pleasure talking to you. Seriously. :happy:

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
Agree, but the point here is that he wasn't intimidating Ezpeleta.

Not only was Rossi intimidating Carmelo, but nobody needs to speak any language to understand Carmelo was absolutely intimated. Look at how asserted himself. Like a child to an abuser.

In true Italian fashion. An "offer" Carmelo can't refuse.

J4rn0 · Nov 9, 2015

WVMotoGP99 said:
Would you request, even nicely, of your executive management to come by your office to discuss an issue you were having with other employees?

Ezpeleta is Rossi's boss? This is news.

J4rn0 · Nov 9, 2015

Jumkie said:
Not only was Rossi intimidating Carmelo, but nobody needs to speak any language to understand Carmelo was absolutely intimated. Look at how asserted himself. Like a child to an abuser.

In true Italian fashion. An "offer" Carmelo can't refuse.

If you think that Ezpeleta can be intimidated you no idea of who Ezpeleta is.

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

michaelm said:
Sure, and I said I believed your interpretation/translation concerning that matter.

Based on J4rn0 interpretation? Thats it?

Ok let me phone my buddy who is an official Italian interpreter. Maybe I can give you an unbiased opinion from a non-racing non-Rossi fan. I'll get back to you.

WVMotoGP99 · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
Ezpeleta is Rossi's boss? This is news.

Sorry, thought he was the CEO of Dorna.. My bad. Also thought Dorna had something to do with managing MotoGP for FIM, but I guess not.

povol · Nov 9, 2015

moto vudu said:
C'mon now, you know VR had to run a different race. By the time he got to 4th place, Pedrosa was something like 11 seconds ahead, VR wasn't going to be able to make that up so he had no reason to continue to push and risk a crash. He had to accept 4th, so his lap times are not proof that he wasn't capable of the same pace as the top 3.

There was a time early in the race[2nd 3rd lap] when the tires were still new and there was everything to push your absolute best for, and Rossi was still a half second slower than the front runners. Once Rossi had cleared a group of riders, there was 1.3 seconds between him and the next bike who i think was Bradley Smith. His two fastest laps came next because he had open track with no hinderance whatsoever, and those two laps were a half second slower than the front runners. He didnt have the pace all weekend, and he didnt have the pace on race day. He finished where he would finish no matter where he started, unless he crashed out some more riders on purpose.

J4rn0 · Nov 9, 2015

WVMotoGP99 said:
Sorry, thought he was the CEO of Dorna.. My bad. Also thought Dorna had something to do with managing MotoGP for FIM, but I guess not.

Is Rossi a Dorna employee? This is even bigger news.
Apart from the fact that the allegation here was that Rossi is Ezpeleta's boss -- go figure.

paparazzo · Nov 9, 2015

Jumkie said:
Based on J4rn0 interpretation? Thats it?

Ok let me phone my buddy who is an official Italian interpreter. Maybe I can give you an unbiased opinion from a non-racing non-Rossi fan. I'll get back to you.

Please don't bother, you are absolutely useless based on your post count alone, and of course as a despiser of Rossi you will no doubt be impartial, correct?

Not sure why this is still being debated. VR was right all along. The world champion has already confirmed he had help and it was entirely justified because they are 'Spanish'....Congratulations to the racist world champion of 2015

:spin:

WVMotoGP99 · Nov 9, 2015

J4rn0 said:
Is Rossi a Dorna employee? This is even bigger news.

Apart from the fact that the allegation here was that Rossi is Ezpeleta's boss -- go figure.

So, no correlation between the two? No working relationship? No guidelines on how and who makes rulings or manages day to day operations? Everyone just shows up and races and no one has over site.. [emoji23] LOL...

I guess Dorna just hangs around the track because the really like motorcycle racing a and get a free hotdog from time to time.. And to check out the baddock girls I am sure..

I will try to make my statement simpler.

Dorna = NFL Commissioner
Rossi = Every football player

No player doesn't work for Commissioner, but still answers to commissioner..

GraciasMarquez · Nov 9, 2015

paparazzo said:
Please don't bother, you are absolutely useless based on your post count alone, and of course as a despiser of Rossi you will no doubt be impartial, correct?

Not sure why this is still being debated. VR was right all along. The world champion has already confirmed he had help and it was entirely justified because they are 'Spanish'....Congratulations to the racist world champion of 2015

:spin:

You hear something and make your own version of it. He just says that if MM and DP wouldn't have been in between him and Rossi, he wouldn't have won the title. That's the help he is talking about. He never said MM and DP purposely didn't try to overtake him. That's what you make out of it.

Jumkie · Nov 9, 2015

paparazzo said:
Please don't bother, you are absolutely useless based on your post count alone, and of course as a despiser of Rossi you will no doubt be impartial, correct?

Not sure why this is still being debated. VR was right all along. The world champion has already confirmed he had help and it was entirely justified because they are 'Spanish'....Congratulations to the racist world champion of 2015

:spin:

I didn't realize my post count was proof I don't know any unbiased Italian speakers.

Thanx for posting that video where he is speaking Italian with English subtitles. Since I speak English, allow me to interpret what he is saying. He is saying, that this title was for Spain, and all Spanish citizens, Marquez and Pedrosa being two, in the same way Rossi hoisted his Italian flag, in the same way Stoner hoisted the Australian flag, in the same way Nicky hoisted the American, in the same way....get the picture?

Rossi could have also thanked the Italians who got out of his way if that makes you happy. Btw, I didn't realize the Spanish were a race of people. Thanx for clarification.

paparazzo · Nov 9, 2015

GraciasMarquez said:
You hear something and make your own version of it. He just says that if MM and DP wouldn't have been in between him and Rossi, he wouldn't have won the title. That's the help he is talking about. He never said MM and DP purposely didn't try to overtake him. That's what you make out of it.

You're still posting here? Look at your screen name, you think you have any credibility? Especially after you've already been banned for wishing the death of long time posters here? GTFO!

Jumkie said:
I didn't realize my post count was proof I don't know any unbiased Italian speakers.

Thanx for posting that video where he is speaking Italian with English subtitles. Since I speak English, allow me to interpret what he is saying. He is saying, that this title was for Spain, and all Spanish citizens, Marquez and Pedrosa being two, in the same way Rossi hoisted his Italian flag, in the same way Stoner hoisted the Australian flag, in the same way Nicky hoisted the American, in the same way....get the picture?

Rossi could have also thanked the Italians who got out of his way if that makes you happy. Btw, I didn't realize the Spanish were a race of people. Thanx for clarification.

Video was posted to prove a point, anyone can take words and spin them as they like, same with Vale and Carmelo. No need to spin this, he clearly admits 'I've been helped because'...I'm too inept to beat a 36 year old on my own.....:spin:

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