MotoGP: 2015 round 18 - Valencia (SPOILERS)

paparazzo said:

Look at your screen name, you think you have any credibility?

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LOL, says the guy with the impartial nickname :giggle:

J4rn0 said:

Nobody will ever know, but certainly Honda Marketing Division had more reasons to pay £200,000 for making sure that Rossi didn't win his 10th title for the competition, imo.

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I'm sorry, but while things like this might be par for the course in Italy, it's not the case in Japan.

I don't see Honda getting involved in this.

The best outcome for them would have been to have a 1-2 finish as then no one could have accused them of anything. So for them to give some sort of tacit approval, or orders to their riders to ensure Lorenzo finishes first, I don't see happening.

paparazzo said:

Video was posted to prove a point, anyone can take words and spin them as they like, same with Vale and Carmelo. No need to spin this, he clearly admits 'I've been helped because'...I'm too inept to beat a 36 year old on my own.....:spin:

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Fascinating. You post a video to prove a point, where u say no interpretation (spin) needed then inject your interpretation (spin) of said video.

Got it. Btw, I'm glad u stuck around, I had read a post where you sounded it was 'your cue to leave'. We need posters like you, with opposing views. It helps everyone 's post count. Even yours.

The best revenge is Rossi takes over for Webb and becomes race director when he retires, and screws over Marc every time he touches another rider.

Rossi_fan said:

The best revenge is Rossi takes over for Webb and becomes race director when he retires, and screws over Marc every time he touches another rider.

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Why not just leave Mike Webb then?

Jumkie said:

Btw, I'm glad u stuck around, I had read a post where you sounded it was 'your cue to leave'. We need posters like you, with opposing views. It helps everyone 's post count. Even yours.

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Put it this way, if I live another 35 years and add up all my years on the internet and every forum I've ever posted I wouldn't come close to your outrageous post count. Very difficult to to compete with schizoids who now have a voice and all day to post 2000 word essays multiple times/day. I'll be stopping in from time to time to balance things and school some of the ..... on here. After all, I own part of this circus..

Rossi_fan said:

The best revenge is Rossi takes over for Webb and becomes race director when he retires, and screws over Marc every time he touches another rider.

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Well, dunno about revenge but if VR isn't in the hunt for the championship and MM is..... Come to your own conclusion.

Something I forgot about.

At Valencia 2013, MM attempted one overtake the entire race, and it was on Jorge Lorenzo. The overtake didn't stick as they swapped positions again within 50 feet or so, and he never made another attempt again. Even when the train was going early in the race, he never tried getting past Dani in spite of being a foot off of his rear wheel. Yes all he needed was P3, but even when he was in P2, he didn't try any overtaking outside of the one attempt. Tough track to overtake on in the dry, and Lorenzo was riding out of his mind yesterday.

paparazzo said:

Put it this way, if I live another 35 years and add up all my years on the internet and every forum I've ever posted I wouldn't come close to your outrageous post count. Very difficult to to compete with schizoids who now have a voice and all day to post 2000 word essays multiple times/day. I'll be stopping in from time to time to balance things and school some of the ..... on here. After all, I own part of this circus..



Well, dunno about revenge but if VR isn't in the hunt for the championship and MM is..... Come to your own conclusion.

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I'm glad my post count is such an annoyance to you. Makes me happy to add one more then.

What do u mean "I own part of this circus."?

Another thought, given MM had a good view of JL in 2013, he may have remembered how hard JL took it to Dani on a few of Dani's overtake attempts, and decided it wasn't worth even getting into a thing where JL would do the same thing to him, and possibly cause a crash.

I'd call that maturing as a rider even though everyone else calls it a conspiracy.

Jumkie said:

Why not just leave Mike Webb then?

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Good

JPSLotus said:

I'm sorry, but while things like this might be par for the course in Italy, it's not the case in Japan.

I don't see Honda getting involved in this.

The best outcome for them would have been to have a 1-2 finish as then no one could have accused them of anything. So for them to give some sort of tacit approval, or orders to their riders to ensure Lorenzo finishes first, I don't see happening.

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I see you are a great knower of both Italy and Japan. I'm impressed.
Bravo! ブラボー!

Jumkie said:

Why not just leave Mike Webb then?

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I've a better idea -- they should appoint YOU. Were you not the one who dubbed Marquez "MurderMarc", only to change your mind suddenly as soon as Rossi also began complaining about him?

J4rn0 said:

I've a better idea -- they should appoint YOU. Were you not the one who dubbed Marquez "MurderMarc", only to change your mind suddenly as soon as Rossi also began complaining about him?

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You want me to crucify him because he raced cleanly?

JPSLotus said:

Another thought, given MM had a good view of JL in 2013, he may have remembered how hard JL took it to Dani on a few of Dani's overtake attempts, and decided it wasn't worth even getting into a thing where JL would do the same thing to him, and possibly cause a crash.

I'd call that maturing as a rider even though everyone else calls it a conspiracy.

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I believe you. Had a similar thing happened between Rossi and Iannone, you would have certainly concluded that Iannone had matured as a rider. No doubt about that. It's as clear as the sky. :happy:

Jumkie said:

You want me to crucify him because he raced cleanly?

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Surely you are too fair to do such a thing. Not only that, but had anybody raced against Nicky Hayden like that in 2006, you would have said the same, wouldn't you. You are the epitome of objectivity, Jums.

Rossi_fan said:

The best revenge is Rossi takes over for Webb and becomes race director when he retires, and screws over Marc every time he touches another rider.

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Since nobody touches Rossi already, not any different now. Rossi got what he deserved by losing the championship he wanted so badly. And he has nobody to blame but him. I used to think highly of him, but that went down the toilet the moment he crashed Marquez pretending he didn't see him. And as expected, not even a slap on the hand. But what he did in Sepang was a disgrace and an embarrassment for himself and the sport, since he should have been black-flagged immediately. Marquez had all the right to race him hard if he wanted to. And he did, and well deserved IMO. Glad things didn't go his way this time. He's a diva, and as much as I used to like the guy, the sport would be better off whithout him, with that attitude. Hopefully just one more season.

JPSLotus said:

I'd call that maturity as a rider even though everyone else calls it a conspiracy.

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Absolutely. Nothing to gain either. And after all the crap Rossi pulled on him during the season, and risk downing Lorenzo to hand the undeserved crown to Rossi, would have been absolutely stupid. But only then would Rossi think the race was fair. Sore loser and a diva. Never imagined the guy being like that, but nobody ever scratched his delicate and creepy armor until now. And boy, what did we find from the supposedly 'mature' rider.

J4rn0 said:

Surely you are too fair to do such a thing. Not only that, but had anybody raced against Nicky Hayden like that in 2006, you would have said the same, wouldn't you. You are the epitome of objectivity, Jums.

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First class

J4rn0 said:

I believe you. Had a similar thing happened between Rossi and Iannone, you would have certainly concluded that Iannone had matured as a rider. No doubt about that. It's as clear as the sky. :happy:

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I'm just putting out thoughts based on the similarities of Valencia 2013 and 2015 with MM.

MM seems to have calmed down in the 2nd half with regards to torpedoing/nearly torpedoing riders. Not sure if this is a new and improved MM or what. We'll see where he goes in 2016.

I ripped MM earlier this year for how he was riding, and had ridden in the past since he was engaging in a ton of just dangerous riding.

I saw very little of that in the 2nd half, but I admit I did not see every FP session. I recall him having a few close calls, but it wasn't quite the battering ram of the first half.

At the end of it, he was put in a no-win situation no matter what happened.

That's what is silly...that regardless of what he does, it's bad in the eyes of many fans.

Sillier is blaming him for anything.

J4rn0 said:

Sorry, I forgot that Valentino Rossi controls this sport sitting in his motorhome with Ezpeleta. What a terrible job he does for himself, though. But sure it must be him and Ezy, just helplessly clumsy, nah?

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While we're putting words in people's mouths, I may.as well have a go, too.

So either you're saying Rossi has no undue influence on the sport.
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That his influence is due.

J4rn0 said:

Sure, but he gets one key fact wrong, probably because Italian is not his language: Rossi did not "summon" Ezpeleta to his motorhome. There was no imperative in the "see you later in my motorhome". It was a friendly invitation like "see you later and let's talk about this privately". Of course Ezpeleta and Rossi talk, they know each other pretty well, -- no need of "summoning" between them.

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Agreed on the translation.