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MotoGP: 2015 round 18 - Valencia (SPOILERS)

Some tweets from Mat Oxley that are interesting.

Won't much matter to the people who've already determined there was yet another conspiracy in play here. But for rational observers, worth reading.
The McCarthyist effect on our sport, it's now become fashionable to question the integrity of riders because Rossi said so. Repeated by racers and former champions.

Arrabi, before Thursday at Sepang, can you remember such a pervasive attitude towards racers? I can't.

Another question, why isn't this new normal extended to the riders that 'appeared' to get out of VRs way? They're not "cheaters"? How about Rossi himself, deliberately taking out another rider, certainly that is CHEATING? How many are these BALSY experts and former racers calling Rossi a CHEATER? Neil Hodgson? Colin Edwards?

Btw I love how Edwards has called into question Marc being Lorenzo's wingman, that big mouth was Rossi's wingman his entire tenure as a Rossi teammate. I guess he needs Rossi to keep bringing clients to his ranch, where he teaches people how to never win .... in MotoGP.
 
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The McCarthyist effect on our sport, it's now become fashionable to question the integrity of riders because Rossi said so. Repeated by racers and former champions.

Arrabi, before Thursday at Sepang, can you remember such a pervasive attitude towards racers? I can't.

Another question, why isn't this new normal extended to the riders that 'appeared' to get out of VRs way? They're not "cheaters"? How about Rossi himself, deliberately taking out another rider, certainly that is CHEATING?

Yes, any titles won by other riders are actually stolen from Valentino.
 
Btw I love how Edwards has called into question Marc being Lorenzo's wingman, that big mouth was Rossi's wingman his entire tenure as a Rossi teammate. I guess he needs Rossi to keep bringing clients to his ranch, where he teaches people how to never win .... in MotoGP.

Funny thing Jums, you pretty much summed up my thoughts here .......... Edwards knows which side his bread is buttered.

But you also show another aspect, that being that JL is the ONLY genuine threat that VR has had as a team-mate in the big class as (no disrespect) but his other team-mates have not been of the same level as JL and we have now seen two melt downs as a result (in year terms, the wall and now 2015 season ending melt).
 
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The McCarthyist effect on our sport, it's now become fashionable to question the integrity of riders because Rossi said so. Repeated by racers and former champions.

Arrabi, before Thursday at Sepang, can you remember such a pervasive attitude towards racers? I can't.

Another question, why isn't this new normal extended to the riders that 'appeared' to get out of VRs way? They're not "cheaters"? How about Rossi himself, deliberately taking out another rider, certainly that is CHEATING? How many are these BALSY experts and former racers calling Rossi a CHEATER? Neil Hodgson? Colin Edwards?

Btw I love how Edwards has called into question Marc being Lorenzo's wingman, that big mouth was Rossi's wingman his entire tenure as a Rossi teammate. I guess he needs Rossi to keep bringing clients to his ranch, where he teaches people how to never win .... in MotoGP.

If Yamaha has good sense, they would dump Rossi in the off-season.

Yes the short-term losses would be big for them from a financial standpoint, but he's bringing the Yamaha name into disrepute. If I am the execs at Yamaha back in Japan, I have to be horrified by what he is doing now, and thinking if this is truly worth it. Honor still exists in Japanese culture, and what Valentino has done, has been completely devoid of any honor. He's openly questioned the rider's title Yamaha has bagged to give them all of the titles this year as they go into their 60th anniversary celebrations.

He made no attempt to stop and congratulate Jorge Lorenzo on the side of the track at the end of the race, and that was something he always made a big show of doing in years gone by. Hell he did it with Nicky Hayden in 2006. It resulted in Nick Harris nearly ejaculating on the live feed from the great sportsmanship VR was supposedly known for...all that 'sign of a true champion' stuff. That is all gone now.

Colin Edwards I disregard completely on any opinions since like you said he made his entire career as being Rossi's wingman, and still is reliant on him for things. Neil Hodgson is a VR homer, and incapable of seeing anything other than yellow.

...., I bagged on Crutchlow quite a bit, but given that he actually rides a Honda, he'd be in a better position than any of the has-beens or media members, and especially the fans, to know how exactly the RC213V works around Valencia.

Jums, this isn't even just the McCarthyism of the 1950s, it's a combination of the absolute worst society has to offer when it comes to painting events/people in a negative light with zero proof. It's a mix of the McCarthy Trials of the 1950s, the Salem Witch Trials of the 1690s, with a dose of the Scarlet Letter thrown on top.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html

Interesting read.

My own theory is that people also need to make sense of things that fly so counter to whatever it is that they have chosen to believe in, that the only way they can do it at times, is to distort reality into something that allows them to continue maintaining whatever their existing belief was. That's what the outrage over Malaysia was more about. The fans of VR cannot comprehend that he would have done something like what he did, as it flies directly in the face of the accepted narrative, and everything they've seen out of VR for 15 years. The fun-loving guy who is a good sportsman is the de facto narrative from the media to the fans, and to those ex-riders. All have emotionally invested in it on some level. That such a thing might not be true, would be to call into question their entire investment of a decade or more, into a man that they've lived, slept, and breathed. As such, it was far easier to turn on Marc Marquez, and to see him as the problem since it allows them to maintain the construct of VR as they choose to see him, and need to see him.
 
Man I gotta say. You can see my posts and know how I feel about Rossi the last 3 weeks but holey moley when you see the reactions on here and other sites and see the reactions in Spain for him and how he seemed to talk to Ezpeleta and the other stuff he says and does with what seems like impunity its pretty hard not to come to the conclusion ....... he is bigger then the sport.
 
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Man I gotta say. You can see my posts and know how I feel about Rossi the last 3 weeks but holey moley when you see the reactions on here and other sites and see the reactions in Spain for him and how he seemed to talk to Ezpeleta and the other stuff he says and does with what seems like impunity its pretty hard not to come to the conclusion ....... he is bigger then the sport.

They allowed him to get bigger than the sport, that's what the real problem is.

As such he bought into it himself since the belief was validated endlessly by the sport's administrators.

Not rescinding his Sepang penalty was the only time he was not bailed out of a situation. Though my guess is the prevailing thought was that he went a bridge too far, and they had to do something because not doing something would have set a tremendously bad precedent that the rest of the grid would have exploited in two seconds. That was about something a bit bigger, but the penalty given was still not very effective.

Given that he picked right up with his conspiracy narrative, it's obvious the penalty didn't have any deterring effect. Had he been black flagged and been given a subsequent race ban for it, I think he lets the entire thing die altogether. Instead he breathed new life into it, and I don't know if this ever really ends.
 
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Man I gotta say. You can see my posts and know how I feel about Rossi the last 3 weeks but holey moley when you see the reactions on here and other sites and see the reactions in Spain for him and how he seemed to talk to Ezpeleta and the other stuff he says and does with what seems like impunity its pretty hard not to come to the conclusion ....... he is bigger then the sport.

That sentence is the same length as your average Kimi Raikkonen sentence.
 
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Did you notice how he was fake laughing while giving Carmelo his marching orders. That is one snakey .... right there, and his fans can't or won't see it
 
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They allowed him to get bigger than the sport, that's what the real problem is.

As such he bought into it himself since the belief was validated endlessly by the sport's administrators.

Not rescinding his Sepang penalty was the only time he was not bailed out of a situation. Though my guess is the prevailing thought was that he went a bridge too far, and they had to do something because not doing something would have set a tremendously bad precedent that the rest of the grid would have exploited in two seconds. That was about something a bit bigger, but the penalty given was still not very effective.

Given that he picked right up with his conspiracy narrative, it's obvious the penalty didn't have any deterring effect. Had he been black flagged and been given a subsequent race ban for it, I think he lets the entire thing die altogether. Instead he breathed new life into it, and I don't know if this ever really ends.

They can't protect him from the civil courts though.

Either all the other riders have a Vale slander waiver in their contracts or he's now a sitting duck from that point of view. He's sitting on all that money and reeling off slanderous allegations that affect the future earnings of a very prominent sportsman. Seems like a very nice target.

The CAS appeal was sorted out quite fast: I guess it was along the lines of...
Arbitrator: OK, so we've read your application for stay of execution, can you point out the stay of execution provision in your internal regulations?

council for VR: Oh, we don't have one of those.

Arbitrator: OK. Denied. Next!
 
They can't protect him from the civil courts though.

Either all the other riders have a Vale slander waiver in their contracts or he's now a sitting duck from that point of view. He's sitting on all that money and reeling off slanderous allegations that affect the future earnings of a very prominent sportsman. Seems like a very nice target.

The CAS appeal was sorted out quite fast: I guess it was along the lines of...
Arbitrator: OK, so we've read your application for stay of execution, can you point out the stay of execution provision in your internal regulations?

council for VR: Oh, we don't have one of those.

Arbitrator: OK. Denied. Next!

Good post, CB.
Wonder if VR will proceed with his action?
 
They allowed him to get bigger than the sport, that's what the real problem is.

As such he bought into it himself since the belief was validated endlessly by the sport's administrators.

Not rescinding his Sepang penalty was the only time he was not bailed out of a situation. Though my guess is the prevailing thought was that he went a bridge too far, and they had to do something because not doing something would have set a tremendously bad precedent that the rest of the grid would have exploited in two seconds. That was about something a bit bigger, but the penalty given was still not very effective.

Given that he picked right up with his conspiracy narrative, it's obvious the penalty didn't have any deterring effect. Had he been black flagged and been given a subsequent race ban for it, I think he lets the entire thing die altogether. Instead he breathed new life into it, and I don't know if this ever really ends.

I feel its in line with most other sport. The people who win enjoy the biggest favor. Lebron, Brady, MJ, pick a Yankee, that .... who plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins, Rhonda Rouse, Rossi. Theyre all great for theIr respective sports financially, so they get ref calls, can say .... no one else can, recieve the majority of the fan adulation etc. It's standard. Maybe we won't miss Rossi when he's gone, though I think love him or hate him you should cause he's great for the narrative, but the sport will financially.

He's a generational rider. Theyre lucky they have Marquez to pickup the torch. Thats all I can say.
 
Good post, CB.
Wonder if VR will proceed with his action?

I said when the CAS situation blew up that if his stay failed that he would cease the action as there is very little reason to continue ................ but now I reckon he will continue as he NEEDS (not seeks, but NEEDS) verification of the injustices that he believes others have done against him.

This way, if he wins his appeal he can again throw people under a bus for all his bus driving followers (sorry, fans indicates a love of the sport) to drive straight over in their somewhat large yellow bus convoy.

To me, what I have seen and read of late does not bode well for VR going quietly into the night but rather being dragged whilst kicking and screaming
 
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I feel its in line with most other sport. The people who win enjoy the biggest favor. Lebron, Brady, MJ, pick a Yankee, that .... who plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins, Rhonda Rouse, Rossi. Theyre all great for theIr respective sports financially, so they get ref calls, can say .... no one else can, recieve the majority of the fan adulation etc. It's standard. Maybe we won't miss Rossi when he's gone, though I think love him or hate him you should cause he's great for the narrative, but the sport will financially.

He's a generational rider. Theyre lucky they have Marquez to pickup the torch. Thats all I can say.


I would tend to agree with the general gist of this post, but this is also what is wrong and why he has acted in the manner in which he has been allowed.

He has been annointed for sometime but what he seems to fail to grasp, is that even the annointed get either found out, or their flame flickers within the powers that be. We are yet to see which one it is but that flame is flickering.
 
2015 Valencia Sunday MotoGP Round Up: How Championships Are Won, Lost, And Destroyed
Dave Emmitt says it all. MotoMatters
 
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Good post, CB.
Wonder if VR will proceed with his action?

Don't know... seems likely though, the regs are extremely vague as DP mentioned, but the penalty was 3 points compared with an allowable range of 0 to 10 so not that extreme. It is however, the maximum penalty that can be given without a hearing. I haven't heard about any technical issues around the decision.

If there is a risk of civil action, then any award from the CAS in favour of Rossi would help him I would think. On the other hand, a negative outcome would probably be a bug on the windshield compared to the potential ....-storm he may find himself in.
 
My own theory is that people also need to make sense of things that fly so counter to whatever it is that they have chosen to believe in, that the only way they can do it at times, is to distort reality into something that allows them to continue maintaining whatever their existing belief was. That's what the outrage over Malaysia was more about. The fans of VR cannot comprehend that he would have done something like what he did, as it flies directly in the face of the accepted narrative, and everything they've seen out of VR for 15 years. The fun-loving guy who is a good sportsman is the de facto narrative from the media to the fans, and to those ex-riders. All have emotionally invested in it on some level. That such a thing might not be true, would be to call into question their entire investment of a decade or more, into a man that they've lived, slept, and breathed. As such, it was far easier to turn on Marc Marquez, and to see him as the problem since it allows them to maintain the construct of VR as they choose to see him, and need to see him.

Very good written, totally agree. Just that is also apply to both "Rossi haters" and "Rossi fanboys".

To me, what I have seen and read of late does not bode well for VR going quietly into the night but rather being dragged whilst kicking and screaming

And that part is why there are people cheering and hating guys like him. He makes people involved. He was there all his career kicking and screaming. Otherwise we all should cheer for Toni Elias, nice bloke, rode this season, never had any argument, did't hurt anybody. Is anybody interested in another Toni Elias season?
 
Don't know... seems likely though, the regs are extremely vague as DP mentioned, but the penalty was 3 points compared with an allowable range of 0 to 10 so not that extreme. It is however, the maximum penalty that can be given without a hearing. I haven't heard about any technical issues around the decision.

If there is a risk of civil action, then any award from the CAS in favour of Rossi would help him I would think. On the other hand, a negative outcome would probably be a bug on the windshield compared to the potential ....-storm he may find himself in.

England used to be the place to go to for Libel shopping....
 

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