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MotoGP: 2015 round 18 - Valencia (SPOILERS)

Yeah, and Jorge will be giving equally as less .... when he takes the MotoGP 2015 championship trophy into his house.

Its true. Thats my point. I wasnt saying that to jump vr up, or push JL down. Just saying, these guys race bikes for a huge sum of cash. Life is good.

I'm a Yamaha fan by the way. JL and VR come next. I'm happy. I would've like to see Rossi get a tenth, but im happy for Jorge too. Hell, i would've just liked to see a race even more. Either way, Yamaha defeated Honda.

Check my first ever post here. I ride Yamaha, I cheer for Yamaha, simple as that. Whoever rides it, I'm a fan of. I hate MM, but if he signed Yamaha, he's my guy. Peace.
 
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Marquez lost the championship for Rossi. Therefore Lorenzo doesn’t deserves it. Repeat.
 
Congrats to Jorge Lorenzo.

That race was an amazing performance. That was a high risk pace, nobody other than the top three were capable or willing to push to that particular limit. If Pedrosa is the 'standard' of integrity, then why was he off the leaders 1-2+ secs most the race if we are to believe Marc was "sandbagging"? I think both RCV riders pushed to the limit because a man ahead of them was on the knife's edge in terms of pace, close to the ideal lap for a race distance, willing to risk a blistering pace from the moment go. Why do some believe Marc would have been able to pass at will if his 'honest' teammate, who has collected the most points and had the best pace for the last few rounds was third for most of this race, and finished in that position? We may 'chose' not to believe the RCVs have had overheating issues, to believe this notion of sandbagging; but then we must accept in that logic 'both' Pedrosa and Marquez are liars. Pedrosa said again today, he had to let the front cool and come back to him, exactly what Marc said at PI and other 'suspiciou' races. So what does that imply about Marquez then, to have not let Lorenzo get away while risking a crash? This means he risked much more than Pedrosa! After all he was ahead of Pedrosa. I think Marquez was in fact lining up a pass on Lorenzo but he decided to do it just when Pedrosa arrived. Or hurried to do it when Pedrosa arrived. Again racing for position is now seen suspect, the new post-Sepang press conference perspective, that Marquez needing to fend off Pedrosa to pass Lorenzo is mathematically irreconcilable. If Pedrosa gets by Marc that makes it infinitely more difficult for Marquez to win the race. We have seen this without exaggeration in racing thousands of times, where riders 2/3 battle to win resulting in an escape for the winner. We have now entered a new Era of Perspective, where racing itself is suspicious behavior! No credit for Lorenzo who by lap chart analysis was much faster than his teammate on the 'same' equipment (clear laps). No credit for his concentration to deploy a strategy of being fast every lap as the best defense from Marquez or Pedrosa.

The race ended when it did, had it gone on for 5 more laps, perhaps and only perhaps the RCVs pass, however this reasoning also applies in reverse had the race ended 5 laps prior, Lorenzo would have beat the two RCVs. That is to say, this 'race distance' ended at a point where the result match the pace for that exact given distance. We can all say Pedrosa had the pace to win, that is absolutely not true 5 laps prior as he was over a second off in 3rd; there is as much evidence there (that is none) to prove Lorenzo wouldn't have fought for the position ferociously had Pedrosa got past Marc, which he failed to do in what is called 'clean racing'. Marquez has become the villain, all based on supposition and the accusations levied against him by VR. Fact is he beat Pedrosa today, cleanly, if that is suspicious behavior, racing no longer has meaning. If Pedrosa had the pace to beat Marc, then why didn't he? He was able to beat Rossi in the exact closing stages of a race distance in Aragon, and with a rival who put up a much more severe fight than Marquez put up today! Racing has become suspect and by extension proof of dubious behavior. How and why did we get to this point? If this was not in anybody's radar after Phillip Island, where the most aggressive rider was Ianonne, who if we follow this perverse logic, was eerily absent today. Why no castigated doubt of his integrity? Did he roll over to help Lorenzo or Rossi? Isn't the pace, once achieved supposed to be there all the time and ever track for any condition? As is the standard for Marquez? A man who this year has crashed with regularity, and when pushing to the limit has perhaps recognized (as he has said as much) that finishing on the podium is in fact better than crashing out. So now we all expect him to win or bin, and push beyond the limit of his machine, tire limitation, own comfort zone, otherwise its proof he was dubiously unwilling to challenge Lorenzo, while again his honest teammate was in fact behind him the entire race (experiencing limitation issues that both have documented ). The confirmation bias that Marquez sandbagged is based on him beating his teammates on similar equipment! (Pause to thing about this). What then is to be said about his teammate then? I believe all three podium finishers pushed to the absolute limit of their machine, the man who won the race was in a zone where this was his most motivated performance of his life! Somehow him beating the two chasing, and fastest riders on the grid bar 'none', is suspicious! The pole lap was stunning, the start was blistering, the entire race pace was astonishing, and the level of concentration for its duration was extraordinary. Congratulations to Jorge Lorenzo, the 2015 World Champion.

Devil's advocate and all that; but the two riders have different styles and Marquez (like Stoner) has made a career of riding a bit over the edge and being in a state of constantly saving the bike throughout the course of the race.

Dani on the other hand is much less of a risk taker and always Mr. Smooth. Dani explained in the presser why he was so far back in the early stages. He was waiting for the tank to be less full so he could make the bike handle in a way that complimented his riding style.

It's generally considered by most people to be a plain fact that MM is more capable of winning races and in fact has proven statistically that this is so. So if Pedrosa could come from (how many seconds back???) on essentially the same bike and overtake MM who has won two premiere class championships, it stands to reason that given MM's superior riding skills he should have been easily able to overtake Lorenzo. That and the fact that we've virtually never seen MM sit on a competitor's tail all race and not make one attempt to pass, which is totally uncharacteristic of MM - it's understandable that people will be suspicious of his lack of aggression. Lets face it, if MM had crashed three laps from the end, Pedrosa would have passed Lorenzo easily. He was consistently running much better lap times than Lorenzo or MM over the course of the last 5 laps.
 
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They fell like bowling balls , I hope something like that happens in MotoGP .

Sorry Nick, sh*t comment to wish or hope that riders fall no matter who, where or when.



Dovi is a joke...put up less of a fight than Asparagus did.

Surely you are not suggesting that a rider tried to fix the race for Valentino by allowing him to pass easily.

Or is it only a 'fix' when allegedly done against Valentino.



Lorenzo should write a book , how to scheme your way to a title

But doesn't Valentino have that title trademarked ;)




What a disgrace...

MM rear gunner from the open, how predictable, team Espana nice.

This should of gone to Rossi.

But over the last few weeks we have been told that a rider should NOT get involved in the championship fight when they are not involved

So which is it …........ get involved or dont get involved

You guys and girls need to make up your minds


That did look suspicious. I can't deny it. :unsure:

All he did Shupe was listen to the advice offered by the Rossi fans across the last few weeks

Looks like he has taken that advice and learnt from it



Please mind your language. It is uncalled for. We are not judging MM based on what we think. We are judging him based on what everybody could see.

No, you are judging him on what YOU see and what YOU want to see/believe …....... there is a big difference between 'everyone' and you



The problem with ..... like you are you're unable to understand what really goes on the track, it was clear MM was impeding Rossi until he booted him off the track, which may i add Rossi was wrong to and inexcusable and punishable. But to watch MM do it again today. Not how i would like to win it.

I didn't see MM impede Rossi today

So which is it …..... to impede or not to impede?

Surely he has learnt because he did not get involved with a championship contender this week. Isn't that what you people wanted …... him to NOT get involved.


More of glad day for Rossi haters. What kind of pride it is to be happy when someone is cheated out of what he earned?

At the end of the year it is like golf

It is how many, not how

And the person with the highest total is the DESERVED world champion …......... get over it as the so called 'Rossi haters' would have had to do in a reversed situation
 
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Marc was boo'd. Marc boo'd in Spain. Crowd not too happy with him.

Someone somewhere has already said that VR has a higher fan base in Spain than any Spanish rider so given the level of animosity it should not be surprising (even if it is childish to do so)



Sorry,busy jerking off right now.

Skills man, jerking off and typing …............. who says guys cannot multi task :)



So now we have a new conspiracy to go along with the JFK assassination, faked moon landings and the nano-thermite used to bring down the Twin Towers... At least it keeps us talking to each other, right guys?

FWIW I think Cal would have won if he hadn't started at the back of the grid :confused:

Conspiracy theory time

Given that he was so vocal about not letting VR past …....... I wonder if his bike was sabotaged bahaha




Rossi is the world champion for 2015!! The FIM did exactly to Rossi what they did to Senna in Formula 1, forcing him to bend over so they could have their way. Marques and Lorenzo are brothers from the same mother of the night. The only reason Lorenzo became champion is because he promised Marques sucksion delights if he keeps Pedrosa and Rossi away from him! So Rossi is still the greatest and Marques and Lorenzo are half brother inbreds!!

Ermmm wrong sport dude

The FIM is Federation Internationale Motorcycliste and has squat ofr f'all to do with F1, but nice try




Luckily Casey Stoner saw the light and moved on to who knows what, Marques and Lorenzo should join him....

What, you want Stoner back?



So just because a rider has tons of passionate fans means the rubes on this site should hate that rider and his fans. Makes perfect sense.

To be fair Papp, there is a difference between passionate fans and outright dickheadedness and sadly we have seen a major influx of the latter in recent times

Yes there are some who can converse or debate points but there are just as many who simply cannot

And yes, the influx did have combatants on both sides (more on Rossi's side) and both sides copped the feedback from many more reasoned posters

Again, there is passion and there is one-eyed dickheadedness …....... passion is always welcome, dickheadedness is best checked in with the coat at the door



It doesn't explain away Rossi getting Bridgestones years ago after they said they didn't want to supply anyone else...and Lorenzo didn't get them...

And nor did Dani – didn't he have to wait a year?

We should also not forget the infamous comment of 2011- Valentino will be on a competitive bike in 2012 …........
 
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What we are saying is that he did not even try....
That is proven..
And since it has never happened before, the logical conclusion is:
he had an agenda which was not finishing the race at the best position possible.

F*ck I would hate to see people like you on a jury

You do understand what PROVEN means don't you?

It means evidence, documented and irrefutable evidence and all you guys have is opinion but because your rick god leads the opinion you believe

If he suggested that there is to much toilet paper in the world and it was time to start wiping with your hands …........ would you guys be buying more soap?

The only thing proven is that Lorenzo is the World Champion with Rossi in 2nd and once again, unable to close out a title in the final race of the season.
 
The funny thing is all the fans of all sides taking this fight to the dirt. Human nature for sure. But when Rossi drives his super car back to his mansion, soaks in his hot tub for a bit while checking his bank account on his cell phone, he'll probably forget pretty quickly and just go back to ....... Italian Supermodels.

Just saying, we all need to put this .... in perspective. If this is Rossi's hell, what do I call my day at work tomorrow?


I get your point. But Rossi didn't come to Spain for more $. He's had enough money for all the champagne, bubble baths and free ..... for some years now. He came to get that 10th Championship.

I'm no billionaire but I'm comfortable - but a bad day is a bad day when it comes and today was a whopper for Rossi. In the end it ain't about the toys - it's about accomplishing the goals you set for yourself.
 
The Yin, the Yang, and the Yam.

I'm sure it hurts. But if he retires tomorrow, he's a pretty accomplished rider.
 
This is what I saw today:

Jorge Lorenzo did it again: he cannonballed out of pole and rode his tires off.

He himself could not believe he actually arrived 1st on a destroyed rear tire. He felt he had to thank the two HRC Honda riders, Marquez and Pedrosa, for not taking advantage of his apparent difficulty in the last laps.

Actually Dani Pedrosa, who is an innocent soul and has no love lost for Lorenzo, did try to win the race, -- and he would probably have succeeded if his teammate, Marc Marquez, had not stopped him sharply.

Marquez, well, -- he evidently was the one who would have won this race in normal circumstances.

Rossi did what he could. But he had compromised his chances at Sepang.

Amen.
 
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I think Lorenzo has a nice butt, because Marquez was watching it the entire race :D

Congratulations to Lorenzo! Rossi proved once again he is The Best!
For Marquez I have no respect. He protected Lorenzo's butt the entire race, even when Pedrosa has catch them.
 
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I have nothing bad to say about JLos performances this year, he definitely deserves the championship. He acted .... head after sepang, but whatever. VR was off pace for the last races, so I was not expecting him to take the championship anyway. MM is the real vilan of all this. He damaged not only his own fan base and public image but also did JLo a bear service. Actively running DP wide just to protect JLo- I think even HRC will not take it lightly. I am 100% sure, that if VR was banned from the race today, and the championship decided in sepang, the race today would have ended Honda-Honda- JLo. MM is an ....., for this will have far reaching implications on his career.
 
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Marquez lost the championship for Rossi. Therefore Lorenzo doesn’t deserves it. Repeat.

It is really funny how you can say tons of nonsense for months (WWF, title race inevitably rigged in Rossi''s favor, the sport is manipulated to makke Rossi win and blah blah) and then, when facts disprove every single things you affirmed, in the most undisputable way, you simply add more blatant nonsense.
Bravo! :rolleyes:
 
At PI Rossi's accusations seemed plain stupid, now after Sepang and Valencia, the accusations got a smell of truth. Obviously there will never be a Watergate-like recording to demonstrate anything. These kind of accusations have very-very small chance of proving, BUT they have a smell of truth. After today's high speed flirting of Marquez towards Lorenzo and sudden combat mode against Pedrosa i (and me only) tend to believe, Rossi's accusations MIGHT be true. Being paranoid doesn't not mean you are not followed.

After Sepang I say it's time for Rossi to hang the boots, bad decision and bad attitude that is just plain stupid to do. Make movies, visit the paddock, write books, try to retire like a motogp champ not as a vengance-kungfu-conspiracy theory guy.

JL made the best of the chances he had and winning races IS the way to win a championship. I can understand him even if all the motogp conspiracy theories would be true, most of people (including myself) would make a pact even with the devil to win a MotoGP championship. After all, all he had to do is finish before Rossi, and he did it, so ... well done, congratulations to him.

After Sepang and Valencia I somehow lost fanship for for MM. He is massively talented but I don't see myself standig at the edge of the seat hoping for him to win a race. But who knows ...years and years I was hoping for Honda to retire Dani and now ...i really hope for an injure free 2016 to him for winning the motogp title. (never ever thought I will write these words).
 
Just a comparision between HL and MM laptimes (expressed in seconds and milliseconds). I don't think I ever saw this kind of close racetimes without 1 (ONE) real fking pass attempt.

JL MM Diff/lap
37.122 37.318 -0,196
31.416 31.538 -0,122
31.367 31.491 -0,124
31.502 31.474 0,028
31.542 31.455 0,087
31.554 31.782 -0,228
31.483 31.586 -0,103
31.746 31.762 -0,016
31.700 31.691 0,009
31.780 31.785 -0,005
31.853 31.716 0,137
31.773 31.712 0,061
31.802 31.788 0,014
31.789 31.698 0,091
31.738 31.733 0,005
31.705 31.667 0,038
31.558 31.627 -0,069
31.864 31.783 0,081
31.571 31.681 -0,110
31.872 31.903 -0,031
32.035 31.893 0,142
31.958 31.972 -0,014
32.073 32.058 0,015
31.831 31.905 -0,074
31.865 31.781 0,084
32.097 32.087 0,010
32.111 32.025 0,086
32.331 32.339 -0,008
32.282 32.432 -0,150
32.044 31.945 0,099
 
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Holy ...... ..... How myopic can you Rossi lovers be? And Rossi for that matter? If VR only shut his yapper at Sepang likely doesn't end this way. Likely ends with him holding the trophy. He was the reason for his own demise. Why the .... is that so hard to understand?
 
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Sure.

But I bring up the point I did because it was generally accepted till recently that VR was weakest in the dry once the other three had their issues better sorted out. If he starts in a regular position, I don't know if the race unfolds differently, but based on what we've already seen, he was not keeping pace with the other three in the dry.

I don't know about "generally accepted", but I agree that in FP and QP, where single fast laps matter, yes, he generally was a few tenths behind MM and JL, which is not surprising considering the age factor. But in actual race conditions and over the total race duration Rossi was quite competitive in the dry as well.

Also today, Lorenzo had failed to preserve his tires to the end, for instance. Maybe that would not have been sufficient for a Rossi (had he started from a more favorable position) to catch up with him, but who knows.
 

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