MotoGP: 2015 round 18 - Valencia (SPOILERS)

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For you Hawkdriver maybe, but for me with the rule changes I am looking forward to it and that's not going to change just because 'the peoples champion' didn't win.

BTW, wtf is that term? It's ........ to try and cover the fact that someone LOST.
 
Jumkie said:
In what League in the world is this acceptable? I almost can't believe what I just watched. And Carmelo 's reaction is even more amazing as he represents the "impartial" Organization. Given he didn't chastise Rossi for that indictment on the spot, tells me a lot about Mr. Ezpeleta.
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Can you imagine this happening in any of the major American sports leagues?

Even though I hate Roger Goodell for a plethora of reasons, could any player in the NFL even say something similar, and then tell Goodell he expects him to come to his house after the game so they can talk more about it?

People are genuinely not realizing how bad Valentino Rossi is for the sport.

Yes, he's great for business without question.

But from a sporting perspective, he is a cancer.
 
JPSLotus said:
Steve,

I'm not going to edit my earlier posts.

I will tell you what I was trying to say, and I admit it was poorly worded.

VR did not have the race pace to keep up with the top 3 riders.

Once he cleared the field, he was unable to get into the 1'31's at all which would have at the bare minimum kept a consistent gap between himself and the top 3. Instead, he started going backwards, as he did in Sepang prior to the MM assault. Even in Phillip Island, the pace was such he could not overtake and hold position.
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We all know as racing logic would have it, that he may have expended more of his tires capacity then the 3 at the front who hadnt performed a single over taking maneuver to that point. It also seems logical that he simply looked at his pit board and saw he was 13 seconds out of third place, and well clear of Dovi, and simply said, "ok, nothing to gain by pushing to close the gap by a few seconds", and relaxed.

Makes some sense, right?
 
#22 said:
For you Hawkdriver maybe, but for me with the rule changes I am looking forward to it and that's not going to change just because 'the peoples champion' didn't win.

BTW, wtf is that term? It's ........ to try and cover the fact that someone LOST.
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Blame Dwayne Johnson and rednecks across America.
 
hawkdriver said:
I'll be keeping up with the sport, but I wont be paying for anymore video passes. Everyone always brings up the so called fans, but they're important when you realize this is a business. I don't think there's going to be any kind of boycott or anything else just because of VR, it was just a ...... way to end a championship no matter who you were rooting for or who you blame. What guys like you on your high horse don't realize is that you need the trendy fans to grow, look at Nascar or even the NFL, I bet 30% of their fans have no clue wtf is going on, but they get to watch for free and get almost unlimited coverage and technical insight into their prospective sports. The nfl has it's own TV channel, and Nascar gets multiple hour long programs pre and post race to break everything down.
The sad part is that next year we should get another great start to the season because of the rule changes and new tires, but there is zero excitement for it.
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I'm looking forward to the Michelins, it's a nice change to be getting.

I'd still much rather have a tire war personally as I hate control tires because they only really benefit the teams with the most money.

That said, why does MotoGP growing matter to me?

I have no shares in Dorna, or any vested financial in MotoGP at all.

If anything, I would rather see MotoGP shrink because when you consider what has happened to major race series as dollar amounts injected became larger, is a sport where a massive chasm opened between the factory teams, and the privateer outfits. The larger the influx of sponsor/commercial dollars is, the greater the competitive imbalance has become. The factory teams are under pressure to perform year after year in order to maintain their vast sponsorships, and as such they will try and alter the rules to ensure their competitive advantage remains.

When you see the technical regulations becoming more restrictive, this benefits the factory outfits because the name of the game now becomes about refining technology as opposed to looking for new technology. Refining technology costs far more because you're looking for a return on diminishing returns, and it becomes harder to extract fractions of a second.

The trendy fans are not who you cater to because they are fickle, and will be gone tomorrow.

The diehards are who you focus on first because they are your lifeblood.

Brian France and NASCAR have not understood this, and you see the massive decrease in ratings and attendance because of this. They chased off many of the core audience members with their need to pander to people with fickle tastes.
 
ReddiWhip said:
We all know as racing logic would have it, that he may have expended more of his tires capacity then the 3 at the front who hadnt performed a single over taking maneuver to that point. It also seems logical that he simply looked at his pit board and saw he was 13 seconds out of third place, and well clear of Dovi, and simply said, "ok, nothing to gain by pushing to close the gap by a few seconds", and relaxed.

Makes some sense, right?
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Sure.

But I bring up the point I did because it was generally accepted till recently that VR was weakest in the dry once the other three had their issues better sorted out. If he starts in a regular position, I don't know if the race unfolds differently, but based on what we've already seen, he was not keeping pace with the other three in the dry.
 
I'm excited for Suzuki and to see Ducati's progress. I think it'll be the same closeness in competition for Honda and Yamaha (not exactly going out on a limb :p). Not really sure who will fair better on the new tires.
 
Making love

In 35 years I never see anything like this on moto gp.
I Start to see Mamola, gardner, lawson etc and this race says everything about sport in This days. Make me feel like wheen I see football ( throuw up).
I Never like Lourenzo, but I like Marquez, but with this I will only see TT.
I would lide to see this stupid guys runing in Man Island!!!
I think that at this time Marquez and Lourenzo are making love no Movistar and Repsol headquarters.
 
Dr No said:
He is going to regret Sepang...
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Without a doubt. If he hadn't tangled with MM at Sepang and for whatever reason lost the WC in Spain anyhow... at least he could have chalked it up to "that's racing" and walked away with his dignity. But he .... his own bed and will have a lifetime to lie in it.
 
Lourosa46 said:
In 35 years I never see anything like this on moto gp.
I Start to see Mamola, gardner, lawson etc and this race says everything about sport in This days. Make me feel like wheen I see football ( throuw up).
I Never like Lourenzo, but I like Marquez, but with this I will only see TT.
I would lide to see this stupid guys runing in Man Island!!!
I think that at this time Marquez and Lourenzo are making love no Movistar and Repsol headquarters.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out....
 
GraciasMarquez said:
Anyway, Rossi isn't within the 3 fastest riders of the year. The others made many silly mistakes this year. Without it Rossi would never been title contender. I know consistency is part of the game, but I just have the feeling Rossi didn't deserve the title anyway. I even doubt whether he is faster than Ianone.
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Uhh...? How many times did Rossi finish ahead of Ianonne the last few seasons?
 
Keshav said:
Without a doubt. If he hadn't tangled with MM at Sepang and for whatever reason lost the WC in Spain anyhow... at least he could have chalked it up to "that's racing" and walked away with his dignity. But he .... his own bed and will have a lifetime to lie in it.
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The funny thing is all the fans of all sides taking this fight to the dirt. Human nature for sure. But when Rossi drives his super car back to his mansion, soaks in his hot tub for a bit while checking his bank account on his cell phone, he'll probably forget pretty quickly and just go back to ....... Italian Supermodels.

Just saying, we all need to put this .... in perspective. If this is Rossi's hell, what do I call my day at work tomorrow?
 
Keshav said:
Uhh...? How many times did Rossi finish ahead of Ianonne the last few seasons?
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Rossi has a better bike. But for example, Ianone beated Rossi in qualifying yesterday. That's not a good sign for Rossi to be beaten by someone with inferior machinery.
 

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