MOTEGI GP 2011: RACE

Gaz · Oct 2, 2011

chopperman said:
Im not faulting him for hitting them. Try ....... reading whats written !. Im faulting him for refusing to admit he made a mistake .

Ok Rog, I will bite.

What part was his 'mistake' as you assert?

His line was over them, he ran over them, on one occasion there was an unexpected result (consequence caused by ?) that did not recur at another time during the race whilst he continued on the same line. Was there a mistake or was there a '.... happens' result?

Also, from teh rear view (seen on Fox over here) there is ag reat shot of the rear of the bike as it hits the second of the bumps, the rear almost appears to lift violently - great footage.

Gaz

Gaz · Oct 2, 2011

Gecko Hunter said:
Did anyone see ONE HD's coverage?

They did an interview with Herve Poncharal? HE said that he had offers for a ride with both Bautista and Dovi and wanted a response by the end of the weekend.

Cheers

Gecko

I liked Poncharal's response when asked which he preferred .......... 'whoever says yes first'

birdman · Oct 2, 2011

michaelm said:
Watching it live I thought he had gone in too hot much like a certain other rider at laguna seca 2008, and that perhaps his tyres were still a little cold, but hitting a bump at just the right angle to disengage his brakes seems a reasonable explanation and not something that would happen every lap. Just out of interest what mistake did you think he made ?

There's no doubt in my mind the pads were pushed back. I could see Stoner pumping the brake lever. Then when the pads came in the back wheel lifted off at what speed I dont know but it looks fast. I actually rate it as an example of his skill not to crash, possibly very badly, but i guess many will laugh at this.

Avoiding the bump in the first place is legitimate if the bump is isolated. But if it's due to a crack that ran the width of the track then it can't be avoided.

In any case this race highlights how motogp bikes don't ride themselves even with seamless shift gearboxes and electronic aids, and how close to disaster they are at all times, which is one reason why I watch motogp and dont find it boring.

Keshav · Oct 2, 2011

chopperman said:
eeerm, getting so out of shape he ended in the gravel

Duuude! He had no brakes - which was not a result of any deficient action on his part.

Saying that was his "mistake" is like blaming someone for getting a flat tire.

Geonerd · Oct 2, 2011

Keshav said:
Duuude! He had no brakes - which was not a result of any deficient action on his part.

Saying that was his "mistake" is like blaming someone for getting a flat tire.

You gotta remember that Rog is from the UK. In the Great Nanny State, there is always someone to blame each and every time any little thing goes wrong.

Rog, this is for you, Buddy.

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Mr Squiggle · Oct 2, 2011

Geonerd said:
Rog, this is for you, Buddy.

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Hehe.....ridiculous

basspete · Oct 2, 2011

chopperman said:
you can be your normal casey appolgist but the fact remains he new they were there yet still got into trouble hitting them. So the bbc reporter was correct in saying he made a mistake , somthing casey would not admit. No other ...... seemed to get into trouble with them so therefor they must have been avoidable.

Spencer was panicking coz he knew Dovi was faster, and reverted to his old self.

Andy Roo · Oct 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
Thats what we do around here buddy. We aren't solving world hunger and cancer my friend. Sit back and enjoy the ride (just avoid the bumps).

I hadn't taken my morning drugs. I did think there were a lot of things more worthy of comment however than Scurvy doing 300km/h down his local street and avoiding that manhole cover.

I think the signing of Simoncelli followed by his beautiful stalk and kill of Dovi was poetry.

Valentino getting sandwiched between two Yamaha's - one of which was arch enemy Jorge "benefiting from all Vale's hard work" Lorenzo.

Spies...what is going on there? He won a race and now he is looking pretty lame.

Hayden and Bautista throwing away good points and results because they really got unsettled by the Stoner move back through the field the 3rd.

The continual proof (Bostrum and now Cudlin) that ring in riders really are a waste of time.

Iannone won his moto2 race (the spoiler thing has already been covered and I agree with Johnny). What ever happened to the days of riders doing more than one class. Personally I would have loved to have seen them jam him full of chocolate and Coca Cola and send him back out on the Pramac bike.

I think I'm mostly pissed about the fact that I had a seat in the Honda stand this year and instead I'm nursing a leg that doubles as a speedbump and NO Phillip Island for me.

michaelm · Oct 3, 2011

basspete said:
Spencer was panicking coz he knew Dovi was faster, and reverted to his old self.

See straws, clutching at . I think most of stoner's fans can cope with anything between 0.5 and 1 mistakes a year. I seem to recall a chorus acclaiming his brilliance when another rider did something similar.

basspete · Oct 3, 2011

michaelm said:
See straws, clutching at . I think most of stoner's fans can cope with anything between 0.5 and 1 mistakes a year. I seem to recall a chorus acclaiming his brilliance when another rider did something similar.

Fair enough, it was just his ambition outweighing his talent.

digger · Oct 3, 2011

Andy Roo said:
I hadn't taken my morning drugs. I did think there were a lot of things more worthy of comment however than Scurvy doing 300km/h down his local street and avoiding that manhole cover.

I think the signing of Simoncelli followed by his beautiful stalk and kill of Dovi was poetry.

Valentino getting sandwiched between two Yamaha's - one of which was arch enemy Jorge "benefiting from all Vale's hard work" Lorenzo.

Spies...what is going on there? He won a race and now he is looking pretty lame.

Hayden and Bautista throwing away good points and results because they really got unsettled by the Stoner move back through the field the 3rd.

The continual proof (Bostrum and now Cudlin) that ring in riders really are a waste of time.

Iannone won his moto2 race (the spoiler thing has already been covered and I agree with Johnny). What ever happened to the days of riders doing more than one class. Personally I would have loved to have seen them jam him full of chocolate and Coca Cola and send him back out on the Pramac bike.

I think I'm mostly pissed about the fact that I had a seat in the Honda stand this year and instead I'm nursing a leg that doubles as a speedbump and NO Phillip Island for me.

that. is. .......... man.

Ill tell you what, ill drink your share when im down at the island next thursday arvo. sound good?

Gaz · Oct 3, 2011

basspete said:
Fair enough, it was just his ambition outweighing his talent.

Maybe true Pete.

But he is still behind in the season score there.

michaelm · Oct 3, 2011

basspete said:
Fair enough, it was just his ambition outweighing his talent.

Your boy didn't seem big on admitting a mistake in his incident in this race, which unlike stoner's wrecked someone else's race, concerning which he has form. I am willing to concede the possibility that he was calling the incident as he saw it and may have been telling the truth, which similarly may be the case with stoner.

Mr Squiggle · Oct 3, 2011

basspete said:
Spencer was panicking coz he knew Dovi was faster, and reverted to his old self.

Its not been a good year for the Stoner haters.....he has given you guys very little ammunition. So little in fact that even when he spears off the track and gets his 13th consecutive podium you guys celebrate it as a failure.

How did Rossi's riding position changes go this weekend? Oh yeah thats right he was upside down in the gravel again hahaha

PS Congratulations Casey on your MotoGP pole position record this race

BarryMachine · Oct 3, 2011

Keshav said:
I, and few other million people, have not yet watched the Moto2 and didn't want to know the outcome in advance.

You never hear the pros make such an obvious mistake.

Oh ........ well I'm not into all that "suspicious mumbo", if a race has happened who gives a flying ....... how I find out ...

so folk have to watch what they talk about do they!!, Pussyfoot around the primadona's so to speak

.......... what a crazy world

BarryMachine · Oct 3, 2011

Keshav said:
Duuude! He had no brakes - which was not a result of any deficient action on his part.

Saying that was his "mistake" is like blaming someone for getting a flat tire.

You have to remember that there is no such thing as "no brakes" in he UK .......... just look at how they "back it in" ( skid for those elsewhere )

chopperman · Oct 3, 2011

basspete said:
Spencer was panicking coz he knew Dovi was faster, and reverted to his old self.

hahaha, bunch of blind fanboys here. Ending up in the gravel is caused by a mistake unless he wanted to end up there lol. He new the bumps were there yet decided to push too hard in that area. The fanboys blame it on his pads getting knocked back but fail to see it was a mistake that caused that. Caseys line was on the bumps they say, well sounds like a mistake there, maybe he should have used a different line then. After all Pedrosa had a fast line that avoided him hitting them that hard. Maybe casey 'one line' stoner should follow a few riders in quali so he can learn a few lines

michaelm · Oct 3, 2011

chopperman said:
hahaha, bunch of blind fanboys here. Ending up in the gravel is caused by a mistake unless he wanted to end up there lol. He new the bumps were there yet decided to push too hard in that area. The fanboys blame it on his pads getting knocked back but fail to see it was a mistake that caused that. Caseys line was on the bumps they say, well sounds like a mistake there, maybe he should have used a different line then. After all Pedrosa had a fast line that avoided him hitting them that hard. Maybe casey 'one line' stoner should follow a few riders in quali so he can learn a few lines

As opposed to valentino's excursion into the gravel at laguna seca 2008 which would have resulted in both bikes going down if he had been racing anyone else except stoner but was acclaimed as strategic and tactical brilliance by you guys. If stoner made a mistake he made a mistake, if so it is probably the only one this year, not a bad ratio. If he thinks he didn't maybe he didn't , he is known for brash rather than untrue statements. You are also probably entitled not to have to negotiate bumps on the racing line on the tarmac, but circumstances in japan are unusual and that's the way it was; to my knowledge he didn't complain about the bump being there btw .

It is tragic to see once proud rossi fans reduced to such nitpicking

, particularly in regard to a race where valentino rather unequivocally encountered the gravel himself.

chopperman · Oct 3, 2011

michaelm said:
As opposed to valentino's excursion into the gravel at laguna seca 2008 which would have resulted in both bikes going down if he had been racing anyone else except stoner but was acclaimed as strategic and tactical brilliance by you guys. If stoner made a mistake he made a mistake, if so it is probably the only one this year, not a bad ratio. If he thinks he didn't maybe he didn't , he is known for brash rather than untrue statements. You are also probably entitled not to have to negotiate bumps on the racing line on the tarmac, but circumstances in japan are unusual and that's the way it was; to my knowledge he didn't complain about the bump being there btw .

It is tragic to see once proud rossi fans reduced to such nitpicking.

Why bring up an 08 rossi thing into this debate ? WTF has that got to do with casey being unable and not humble enough to admit he made a mistake. FFS if you crash then there must have been a mistake of some sought by definition ! Bringing Rossi into this debate does nothing to strenghten your case. It just shows blindness and spite.

michaelm · Oct 3, 2011

chopperman said:
Why bring up an 08 rossi thing into this debate ? WTF has that got to do with casey being unable and not humble enough to admit he made a mistake. FFS if you crash then there must have been a mistake of some sought by definition ! Bringing Rossi into this debate does nothing to strenghten your case. It just shows blindness and spite.

The old argument. You and bass pete made the spiteful comments about stoner, mainly for fun I am sure, to which I mainly for fun chose to reply . I point out that rossi has ended in the gravel at least twice without admitting a mistake, in fact including in this very race. At laguna seca 2008 he clearly went into the corkscrew too hot, ended up in the gravel and nearly took stoner out but you seemed not to require any humility from him, but rather denigrated stoner for being pissed off. I think rossi's explanation of his incident in this race was perfectly reasonable btw, but why then is stoner not allowed to have an explanation for his incident, which he made in reply to a leading question and not spontaneously anyway?

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