Michelin etc.

Wow ... yet more extreme sock puppetry to support the lord of flies concept of forum behavior... maybe where you all belong isn't here but it is at SS....

MigsAngel said:

Wow ... yet more extreme sock puppetry to support the lord of flies concept of forum behavior... maybe where you all belong isn't here but it is at SS....

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Migs, get a clue already.

Jumkie said:

Kesh, you slanderous liar, my kids never left mine nor my wife's sight. And certainly I would have never left them near you. As I had just met you and frankly all your demands for special treatment signaled to me you were weird. In fact i told others i thought you were odd, you have lied repeatedly, and it seems there is no lows you will sink to. I've never heard this account and I know it was impossible as my wife never left their sight. You are now trying the same tactic you tried with Roger, that is attempts at slandering reputations by making false accusations. This is the Keshav you may chose to interact with, beware if you meet him in person. Something is absolutely wrong with you.

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Nothing pisses you off like an inconvenient truth.

I never asked for "special treatment." You were in your generous host mode and kindly offered to let me crash in the back of the RV. Another one of your endless distortions.

I have met many PS members in person and the only one who'd met me in person, who even pretends to believe all your lies is you. None of the other participating members of this forum who have met me support any of your sick, distorted allegations. I have a warm cordial relationship with all the other folks who were there, except you and Roger - and I suppose Bonnie because after all she would stand by her man regardless of the truth of the matter because that's what wives do. Although Bonnie has never joined in all this tempest in a teapot nonsense that you continue to drag out.

I tried the live and let live way for a few days and for you that's just a signal to start lashing out again.

MdubSTYLIE said:

You should be ashamed of yourself for this post but for that to happen you'd have to feel shame.

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I should be ashamed??? For what? You make absolutely no sense at all. Curve and I got along, and continue to do so. You on the other hand have never met the guy. You remind me of that Stones song lyric.

"The way she talks about someone else
That she don't even know herself
She's the sickest thing in this world
Well, look at that stupid girl"

JPSLotus said:

Migs, get a clue already.

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You have a new member user name but you seem to be an old member....

Lets assume you are one of those old members that ran off SS cause you didnt like that this place wasnt lord of flies land....so why'd you come back?

Or you really are new which means you want to make it into the lord of the flies land...

Which is it?

Keshav said:

I should be ashamed??? For what? You make absolutely no sense at all. Curve and I got along, and continue to do so. You on the other hand have never met the guy. You remind me of that Stones song lyric.

"The way she talks about someone else
That she don't even know herself
She's the sickest thing in this world
Well, look at that stupid girl"

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It makes no sense because why in the hell would that be the part of the post that made it crazy? I cannot believe even you would stoop to the level of what you said about Rog and Jums kid. Thats a new all time low even for you. True or not, how can you in one sentence condemn people for "acting like 6 year olds in a locker room," and then say some thing like that? Thats sick and sad and even you should realize by now you only draw me out when you say something totaly ...... up. Is curve your friend? Idk and I don't ....... care. I hope he was just finding someone to burn with for his sake. But Jumkie and Rodger are my homies. Thats fact even though I have never met Rog in real life but I would still give the shirt of my back to his family, even if that shirt was yours. You and I will never be cool, please don't ever send me another pm trying to make up or apologize because I don't want it nor will I ever except it. You are the lowest of the low.

I keep reading references to The Lord of the Flies in amongst this spat.
Hmmm.
Premise is ....: Piggy was myopic, so what value were his specs?
The Spire
Darkness Visible
Freefall

Get into it.
I dunno...

MdubSTYLIE said:

It makes no sense because why in the hell would that be the part of the post that made it crazy? I cannot believe even you would stoop to the level of what you said about Rog and Jums kid. Thats a new all time low even for you. True or not, how can you in one sentence condemn people for "acting like 6 year olds in a locker room," and then say some thing like that? Thats sick and sad and even you should realize by now you only draw me out when you say something totaly ...... up. Is curve your friend? Idk and I don't ....... care. I hope he was just finding someone to burn with for his sake. But Jumkie and Rodger are my homies. Thats fact even though I have never met Rog in real life but I would still give the shirt of my back to his family, even if that shirt was yours. You and I will never be cool, please don't ever send me another pm trying to make up or apologize because I don't want it nor will I ever except it. You are the lowest of the low.

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True or not? That's the whole point. Jum's been pounding me for months with insulting lies and slandering my character while promoting Rog like he's a freakin' saint. I'm sick of the Fox News style hypocrisy he employes. What's next? Maybe he'll start accusing me of starting "Death Panels" and wanting to take away everyone's guns. It's all meritless Donald Trump style defamation because he thinks there's some campaign to win the hearts and minds of PS members. And when you start screeching about cancer - you and JKD just fan the flames more. If the three of you would stop throwing gasoline on the flames and go back to talking about racing this thing would die. But you are incapable of seeing reason. The three of you live under the delusion that if you lie about me and insult me enough I will go away. But it doesn't work like that in the real world. When will you learn? You can't keep pushing me and not expect me to push back.

Oh... try reading the orig. post and stop speaking gibberish.

If jk and cliché can end up being picture trade ....... buddies then the lot of you could at least coexist.
This is what happens if you don't take drugs kids. Now puff puff give and have angry make up buttsex

MigsAngel said:

You have a new member user name but you seem to be an old member....

Lets assume you are one of those old members that ran off SS cause you didnt like that this place wasnt lord of flies land....so why'd you come back?

Or you really are new which means you want to make it into the lord of the flies land...

Which is it?

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No, I'm quite new, trust me on that. Sparrows can vouch for me on this.

But this also isn't my first rodeo on the internet. It's a new forum for me, however these spats are not new to me. I've seen more than my fair share of them.

I never said anything about wanting to turn this place "into lord of the flies land" nor have I done anything to help make this a potential reality. I called Kesh on his ........ previously, he still continues to promote ........ in new ways.

Maybe instead of worrying about me Migs, you should focus on what the common denominator has always been with every single topic that turns into an issue.

The joos?

Keshav said:

True or not? That's the whole point. Jum's been pounding me for months with insulting lies and slandering my character while promoting Rog like he's a freakin' saint. I'm sick of the Fox News style hypocrisy he employes. What's next? Maybe he'll start accusing me of starting "Death Panels" and wanting to take away everyone's guns. It's all meritless Donald Trump style defamation because he thinks there's some campaign to win the hearts and minds of PS members. And when you start screeching about cancer - you and JKD just fan the flames more. If the three of you would stop throwing gasoline on the flames and go back to talking about racing this thing would die. But you are incapable of seeing reason. The three of you live under the delusion that if you lie about me and insult me enough I will go away. But it doesn't work like that in the real world. When will you learn? You can't keep pushing me and not expect me to push back.

Oh... try reading the orig. post and stop speaking gibberish.

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Its not gibberish, its just impossible for someone like to understand reality. Read it again.

JPSLotus said:

Maybe instead of worrying about me Migs, you should focus on what the common denominator has always been with every single topic that turns into an issue.

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It takes to tango JPS......so the common denominator is more than just one person..

MigsAngel said:

It takes to tango JPS......so the common denominator is more than just one person..

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The blow-up I had with Kesh had everything to do with his refusal to admit he was wrong, and that he had falsely attributed a statement to me, that I never made. To date, he has never admitted he lied to try and bolster his argument. In fact, every blow-up here over the past few months involves Kesh making false statements, but I haven't seen you address him directly. Maybe put your money where your mouth is ...........

Arrabbiata1 said:

A fascinating point to consider.

The jump from 250cc to the big class always required significant adaptation, although Biaggi and Lorenzo in particular exported their 250 styles with great success. 500 GP seemed to require the greatest accommodation particularly from Superbike.

I agree, Rossi's changes in style have been pronounced, primarily because he has been around for so long. Arguably the most significant has been since his return to Yamaha with the extreme lean angles now necessary. 'Hitting the Apex' addressed this very well.

Many riders that were around at the time had to majorly modify their style with the introduction of the 800cc formula because the characteristics of the machines were so different to the 990s and prior to that, the switch from two stroke to four stroke really didn't suit some (although not everyone was fortunate enough to inherit a spanking V5 RCV211v which was a race winner straight out of the crate). I remember Abe and Checa expressing a preference for the 500s and I've always cursed the fact that Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa arrived after this era.

In citing riders that have markedly altered their style, I would immediately add Pedrosa to your list.

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Yes I see where you're coming from on Pedrosa, but has it anything to do with his noncompetitive nature, after all he's had 10 seasons of failure to contend with. Along with a plethora of DNF's which in most cases seem to be the product of aggression at the wrong time.

J4rn0 said:

That's why it is surprising that they scheduled these tests with only four races to go, three of which in consecutive weekends.

The unofficial assessment is that their rear tire is already good enough, while the front needs a lot of work still. And it is improbable that it will ever be anything like the Bridgestone.

Thinking of it, maybe Lorenzo didn't test not so much to stay safe (he then managed to hurt his shoulder playing with minibikes...!) but simply because a less performing front would handicap his rivals more than him, so why bother?

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Personally I doubt that was why Lorenzo declined, I think he knows this will be the last time he has a chance of winning the championship.

Theo said:

Yes I see where you're coming from on Pedrosa, but has it anything to do with his noncompetitive nature, after all he's had 10 seasons of failure to contend with. Along with a plethora of DNF's which in most cases seem to be the product of aggression at the wrong time.




Personally I doubt that was why Lorenzo declined, I think he knows this will be the last time he has a chance of winning the championship.

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I also think that starting from next year MM93 is likely to return to his normal proceedings (read supremacy) -- but Michelin now are a big unknown.
Rossi decided to break the silence on the tire tests,
MotoGP, Rossi: più cadute con Michelin che in 14 GP
remarking how he has crashed more in 2 Michelin tests than in 14 races on Bridgestones. He goes on saying that the French tires still look a lot like what they used to be in 2008.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Its not gibberish, its just impossible for someone like to understand reality. Read it again.

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And that someone would be... you?

JPSLotus said:

The blow-up I had with Kesh had everything to do with his refusal to admit he was wrong, and that he had falsely attributed a statement to me, that I never made. To date, he has never admitted he lied to try and bolster his argument. In fact, every blow-up here over the past few months involves Kesh making false statements, but I haven't seen you address him directly. Maybe put your money where your mouth is ...........

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I've said I typed too quickly and did not word my statement with precision. You're no dummy. You know that this is the truth of the matter. While you and I got into heated ...., I don't recall my using personal insults in place of appeals to logic or trying to at the very least, agree to disagree. Now someone else disagrees with you bolster your position by calling, a really nice guy, who hasn't been the least abusive to you a "..........".

Pretending to be obtuse (when you're not) is not the way to go. Especially given that you (among the four people around here who seem to want to lynch me) seem the most capable of objectivity. You do yourself a disservice when you fall back to insults in place of intelligent debate.

Again, hanging on to the meme that I "lied to you" instead of acknowledging I'd made an imprecisely made statement, also reduces your credibility. I understood, that your statement that the Honda was a POS was intended as a snarky way of repudiating the opinions of the journos. My statement was (as you well know) to the effect that nobody here on PS seriously believed that it was and that I thought it was pointless to continually repeat this as we'd all gotten the memo. It was that simple. Nobody "lied" to you. But now that you have gotten yourself aligned with Jum in the Keshav Is A Cancer movement, you have allowed yourself to be married to the meme that Keshav Lied. It's much easier for you to hang onto that - than it is to admit that it was a misunderstanding and that in FACT - there's no real reason for you and I to be enemies. You would be a traitor to the Oust Kesh Campaign if you admitted it was just a simple misunderstanding. It's politics - plain and simple. Do not mistake the preceding statement for a "Lets Kiss And Make Up" feeler. I'm just stating the obvious.

This is the internet and flame wars happen. You will notice however, that many senior members here (members who know and love Jum, who can when he wants to be, extremely charismatic) who have been around for as much as a decade, have not jumped into the line of fire as you have, because they possess cool heads and maintain objectivity. They too know it takes two to tango.

If you go back through the history of PS - you will find many fractious flame wars in which Jum was the central figure and I had no involvement whatsoever. Some of these extremely intense flame wars occurred long before I ever came here, hence my being weary of people acting as if I invented it.

Many of us have found it possible to see Jum as a loveable tyrant, and manage to disagree with him and still be friends and some, not so much. Just remember - you can still be his friend without having to be his groupie.

Kesh has been caught in lies, continues to make fabrications, when pressed with quotes from his own posts he acts like the words don't exist, or the strange tactic, just twists the definition of words, he has let it slip he has consulted with mods (his own words), has made promises he does not honor (his "word" easily to read his quotes); in addition independent accounts of his own dealings with people not associated with the forum testify that he is a contemptible person (see feedback). So then why would he be credible in the least that is not the forum snitch, he has already admitted it! Not to mention the context based on his delusional forum mission to rid the forum of the bad apples. Seriously how is anything he says entertained as credible? Consider this unprecedented fact, he has been the ONLY member in the history of the forum, that is in real life meet ups, has made enemies, and who has been observed to be this weird social deviant, demanding and accepting burdensome special treatment. On this very forum he has habitually and continually passed judgment on people, no not about their racing opinions, but about their person, this while exhibiting classic delusional psychotic ideation of some responsibility to nanny and herd this space, undoubtedly fed by one or two nameless PMs to foster such illusions of grandeur. How is anything he says taken seriously?!? Those posting on this thread have taken a stake, how are Keshav's own words being overlooked? And those lurking, for the record, at least two have told Kesh to quit his behavior, this after Kesh himself appealed and made commitments for such intervention.

You guys think because Kesh can on occasion posts a few racing opinions that perhaps the guy on the other end of the keyboard is a normal person. I can tell you from experience he is not someone you would feel comfortable around. If he can with so little thought write lies here (thoughtless because yet implicates another member), he can and does carry this behavior in real life. Backed up by actual accounts.

Migs, if your voice here on this thread is indication of your interest in a sound forum, how have you overlooked Kesh's habitual judgment on members, dishonesty, and dishonor? Seriously, how is that possible or is it you just want to keep a distance from the fray? Take a look again at the last flamed thread, Michelin etc. MickD (who unfortunately like you has supported Kesh on the grounds that you and I have had racing disagreements) made an obtuse response to me regarding the Michelin tires. Go back and visit the thread sequence. I retorted with a quote from Krops. That is, we were having a racing debate. Dr.No made an amusing post TO me because i used a quote from Krops, making the point I have disagreed with his racing takes in the past why use his quote, noting my disagreements about the RCV, regardless its about racing. I left it alone because I knew Kesh wouldn't /couldn't help himself. And waited for Kesh to do what he does! Take a look at the very next post. Yup, Kesh MO of judgmental and instigation. So I replied in kind. But wait, Kesh has defended himself saying he would do the same, but also said and promised he wouldn't be the one to start. He has repeatedly told us he is not the problem, but this is one of many examples YOU can easily see that he is in fact the forum kancer. Then what happened on the thread? Tuned into a flame war. I have never said I'm the better man, so no need to tell me or others two to tango, i am happy to tango. You see the point is Kesh pretends a higher standard, he claimed some lofty standard because he thinks he is better than us. How does this get overlooked by you and others? Why, if you are voicing your opinion here, have not had the courage to call him out directly like Yakama46 did? And not that it helped, all Kesh did was leave that thread, as if that was something great, then went on to destroy another thread a click away. He has repeatedly said he would stop, then comes back and claims conditions. Its a pattern.

And really, who am I kidding, I know it's impossible to reason with a psycho like Kesh (a psycho either from birth or a result of damaging his cerebral cortex). His gang of four+ (which he suddenly discovered to be a derogatory label, that should tell you something about his delayed processing) has consistently called him out using reason and logical, thing is that the only way this might work is if the recipient was reasonable. I'm convinced based on my personal experience with Kesh coupled with his expression here on the forum, that he inflicted damage on his brain with mind altering hallucinogenic drugs. In addition to whatever damage strong toxic mushrooms may cause on the brain. I know this because he confessed it to me. There is something very strange about Kesh, and it's not an uncommon effect to damage certain emotion processing areas of the brain (among other things). I will add he has trouble processing his observations in real time. I can assure you, within 5 minutes of meeting him, it's rather obvious. I should add, I hope it was the drugs, because if not, then his deviant behavior is cause for concern.