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Max Biaggi

i like to hate him

it was soooo much fun watching Rossi wind him up.

max takes himself far too seriously for me and certainly too seriously for the WSB paddock.

I'll give him 1 season tops
 
Max Biaggi is not an easy man to like. Media hype and Rossi aside, he still comes off as a big meanie. There are reasons. People are not born ........, to say Max had an easy childhood would be a lie.
He's a perfectionist. Which means he's easily frustrated. My guess is he was frustrated at himself when he wasn't perfect, and who's perfect 100% of the time? But what sorta racer is going go out there in front of the cameras and the sensationalist paparazzi italian media and say. "I didn't feel good about that corner" or "I should have got on the gas a bit earlier there". Come on, in the mental war it would be like going up to Rossi or Doohan and saying "I am your ...... Do with me what you will." So Max learns to make excuses, and it becomes a bad habit as he constantly strives for impossible perfection, getting more and more frustrated with himself while Rossi wins and hauls in the fans with his antics. Max did it tough in MotoGP, but in the end, he caused his own demise. Maybe he is a negative person, but I think he sees the negatives in himself as much as he sees the negatives in the rest of the world. That's my take on it anyway. Of course we'll probably never know the truth. Biaggi's mind is a pandora's box that will probably never be opened.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 8 2006, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you look at the contemporary record when they raced together, you will find that Sete Gibernau would be more accurately Rossi’s “rival”, if by the word “rival” you mean “challenger”, and look at how Sete has been vilified.

This makes a lot of sense to me. I'm a Gibernau fan. Sete is not a bad guy. He actually came off as a bit of a joker in the flesh. He's easier to like than Max, anyway. He was a freind of Rossi's until Qatar '04. I wonder how many people "Hated" him before then.
Then there's Pedrosa and Hayden. They seem to cop a bit of flak as well. Hayden beat Rossi to the title and Pedrosa looks like the most promising guy to beat Rossi in the future. Is it just me or is a trend developing here?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Nov 7 2006, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can blame the media, but in my case it's not a question of Rossi=hero hence Max= Villain. And quite a few people have more brains than to reason that way.

Was just asking for clarification, but then you had to throw that "brains" comment into the mix. You sound a bit flustered (worried perhaps that something is being revealed.) Maybe someone will come to my aid. (One wise crack begets another).
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Anyway, I think I said what I thought about why Max is not very well liked. It was “just my opinion” as you put it. Thanks for your elaboration.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Nov 7 2006, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe he is a negative person, but I think he sees the negatives in himself as much as he sees the negatives in the rest of the world. That's my take on it anyway.

Of course we'll probably never know the truth. Biaggi's mind is a pandora's box that will probably never be opened.

I'm a Gibernau fan. Sete is not a bad guy. He actually came off as a bit of a joker in the flesh. He's easier to like than Max, anyway. He was a freind of Rossi's until Qatar '04. I wonder how many people "Hated" him before then.

Then there's Pedrosa and Hayden. They seem to cop a bit of flak as well. Hayden beat Rossi to the title and Pedrosa looks like the most promising guy to beat Rossi in the future. Is it just me or is a trend developing here?

Fair and Balanced.

How do you think Max will do in SBK? (I know we are simply speculating, but isn't that what we spent much of our time doing...)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Nov 7 2006, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i like to hate him

Ah locks, what a cute thing to say....(lambda)
 
I respect him as a rider, I wish everyone on the MotoGP grid had his attitude towards winning, always fight to the finish line, always fight to be first, as opposed to the currently prevailing, always listen to the team orders and always be prepared to throw away races for your team mate.

That said, he really did have an attitude on him, and nothing was ever his fault, he's equally to blame for the media circus surrounding him and Rossi. Both of them let their ego get in the way of the racing. A little less whining would have done wonders for peoples opinions of him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Nov 8 2006, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I respect him as a rider, I wish everyone on the MotoGP grid had his attitude towards winning, always fight to the finish line, always fight to be first, as opposed to the currently prevailing, always listen to the team orders and always be prepared to throw away races for your team mate.

That said, he really did have an attitude on him, and nothing was ever his fault, he's equally to blame for the media circus surrounding him and Rossi. Both of them let their ego get in the way of the racing. A little less whining would have done wonders for peoples opinions of him.

That seems just about right, It's a waste actually; If he was more of a positive person, who knows how good he could have been.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tornado @ Nov 8 2006, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That seems just about right, It's a waste actually; If he was more of a positive person, who knows how good he could have been.


True. But I guarantee, theres some black kid in Africa guiding some cows pulling a cart, who, if given the right chance in life, would be handing Rossi his arse each weekend. Life ain't fair. Max was nearly a great. He had all the opportunity to prove that - but his psyche let him down.....

I think he'll do just fine in WSBK, so long as Rossi doesnt get a wild-card ride each weekend.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 9 2006, 06:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How do you think Max will do in SBK? (I know we are simply speculating, but isn't that what we spent much of our time doing...)

I hope he dosen't do too well, can't have him beating Bayliss, can I?
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In all fairness I think he's capable of winning in SBK. I mean, Max was king of 250s (Like Rossi is "King" of MotoGP
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), so there could be issues with body type and riding style, but he's an experienced rider, it would surprise me if he didn't adapt. He'll have a good bike under him in the GSXR, Kagayama and Corser have both kicked ... on that bike in the last two years. Barros took a win, and I think Biaggi is pretty much on par with Barros, talent-wise, although Barros was probably better suited to a SBK. If things go his way this year I don't think it would be unreasonable to call him a contender.... for the vice-championship
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I do think it's great for the Superbike paddock, too. There's good racing in WSBK, but it seems to lack the "Drama" of the MotoGP paddock, maybe due to the fact that Foggy's team was at the back so no-one gave a .... about him
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, and I think Max is definately capable of bringing over a bit of spice off the track.
 
In his earlier days Max seemed a different person. He was always determined, but he was happier and had a confidence/cockiness about him. No doubt this was based on results:

When Max stepped up to the 500 class in 1998, he'd just won the last four 250cc world championships--and had also won the last one on a Honda instead of Aprillia, just to prove it wasn't the bike (does that sound familiar?
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). His FIRST race on a 500 he takes pole, sets the fastest lap and wins the race comfortably. He was having a great rookie season, pushing Doohan for the title, then he got black flagged at Catalunya...

[A rider or two had crashed out at the first corner. On the next lap around Biaggi and Barros overtook another rider under yellow flags (although this was disputed afterwards it looked pretty clear to me on TV at the time). They were both given 10 second stop go penalties. Barros duly came in and took his penalty. Biaggi ignored his and was consequently disqualified even though he 'won' the race (Doohan, knowing about the black flag, just followed him home and took the win; he won the next two races after that as well to retain the championship).]

It seems to me that Biaggi was never the same after that. He lost a lot of respect in the paddock for ignoring the penalty--warranted or not--and especially the black flag. Instead of staying with Honda and Kanemoto he went to Yamaha for the next four years, and soon after another happy, confident Italian had also risen through the ranks by then and, well, we all know how that turned out.

The press (most of them) tend to focus on whatever is easiest to write about. In an earlier thread people were talking about Rossi getting so much coverage (perhaps at the expense of other deseving riders). But Rossi's personality and brilliance are easy things to focus on. That's why he gets the column inches.

As for the Rossi vs. Biaggi stuff, it's just gold for journalists. Their earlier careers were remarkably similar--they were dominant in the lower classes and made an immediate impact in the 500s. And now that was one winning, happy and easy to talk to, and the other was struggling (relatively), petulant and often complaining no doubt the stories just wrote themselves. By the end of his time in MotoGP Biaggi was a shadow of his former self. It was easy to forget his earlier achievements and just focus on that fact that Rossi had dominated him completely. Biaggi's attitude certainly didn't help either.

I can see him doing a Kocinski (another rider with a similar history and disposition) and winning a SBK championship in 2007 or 2008; he has the talent. But equally it could all end in tears before the halfway mark next year!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Nov 8 2006, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's good racing in WSBK


Yes I agree. I use to get more worked up about SBK than GP, especially when they use to come to America. But I really enjoy the racing in SBK because it seems less steril IMO.

Richo, I don't think you have to worry about anybody taking Bayliss' crown anytime soon, the guy was crazy dominant. (BTW: I got to see his bike at the Ducati museum in Bologna, Italy. It was a sight to see along with all the other Ducati Championship Bikes.)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Nov 8 2006, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In his earlier days Max...

Rising Sun,

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn't know that about Max. I guess well all just have to wait and see how he does next year.

Em I the only person that wished they staggered the WSBK & SBK seasons? The wait is making me go alittle nuts.
 
When you say SBK do you mean AMA SBK Jumkie? Wouldn't make much difference, for me I can't get nothing on AMA except race reports. what's the coverage like stateside?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Nov 8 2006, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you say SBK do you mean AMA SBK Jumkie? Wouldn't make much difference, for me I can't get nothing on AMA except race reports. what's the coverage like stateside?

He may be talking about how WSBK broadcasts are sometimes delayed until the teusday after the race. In addition, the broadcasts are shown at noon or 1pm; most Yanks are at work and can't watch. This usually happens when an AMA SBK race is going on the same weekend.
SPEED channel used to have Two-wheel Tuesday; WSBK, Moto GP, etc. was shown into the night. Imagine that, a whole day devoted to bikes!
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However, like everything else, it gave way to more and more NA$CRAP coverage. To pour salt in the wound, a few years ago SPEED announced plans to diversify its programming. What SPEED meant was that it was going to air a bunch of crap reality TV shows and "lifestyle" programming. Now we have a sickening mixture of NA$CRAP and garage shows where rappers and NBA stars order huge stereos and 25-inch rims for their Bentleys (the show is called Unique Whips). Imagine that, Unique Whips is a business that modifies cars and makes them all but unique.
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Two Wheel Tuesday is still around, albeit in the form of a .......ized, 30-minute program. There are two other bike shows I can rmember; one is about chopper building, the other features a guy named Corbin touring the country on some boring cruiser bike. ......' yay!
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Here's another heart-warming story. Several years ago an AMA SBK race was in progress when, suddenly, it was interrupted by a NA$CAR post-race show! SPEED received a flood of angry e-mails from bike fans. An apology to the AMA fans was aired and SPEED promised never to do that again. Surprisingly, I don't think it has happened since (knock on wood).
 
I rather watch my races without advertisements so WSBK.tv and MotoGP.com is the way to go.. just plug the PC/LT to the TV and wow.. the experience is just as good.
 
Speed show that "pimp my ride" style crap, too? In thier defense, that's aimed at pretty much the opposite of the NASCAR dads, so I guess you could say they did diversify, but it dosen't mean it's a good thing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Nov 8 2006, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's easier to like than Max, anyway. He was a freind of Rossi's until Qatar '04. I wonder how many people "Hated" him before then.
When i think about it i remember those times.. didn't they once go to ibiza together in the '03 summer break?
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QUOTE(richo @ Nov 8 2006, 01:38 AM)

He's easier to like than Max, anyway. He was a freind of Rossi's until Qatar '04. I wonder how many people "Hated" him before then.

i lost some respect for him after he complained about tamada in montegi.(cant rmember the year) from where i was sat it looked like a test of the late breakers and gibbers lost and ended up in the gravel. tamada was fined and a race ban i think or was it points deducted.
i think paul butler said the following year that he acted in haste because of the death of kato (RIP). i just thought gibbers was playing on that. the Qatar thing just sealed it for me at the time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Nov 8 2006, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you say SBK do you mean AMA SBK Jumkie? Wouldn't make much difference, for me I can't get nothing on AMA except race reports. what's the coverage like stateside?

Hi Richo,

Ooops, yes I meant WSBK (World Super Bike). I'm not sure what is AMA SBK? Here we call the national series just AMA, and the World Super Bike SBK, but I'll put the "W" so I don't confuse anybody. Thanks to Mr. Shupe, he clarified this.

Also, everything Mr. Shupe said about Speed Channel is right. Actually I think they should just stop teasing and call it ASSCAR Channel (joking, but believe it or not I've been to a few NASCAR races and did enjoy it, I do understand what the draw is, I can elaborate on another thread, but I'm not much of a fan). They have gutted all the motorcycle programming and now have many "low IQ" shows that appeal to the MTV audience. (funny, but I tune into MTV every now and then, just to keep myself current as to what's "cool".)

I really do wish motorcycle racing was more popular here, and I am grateful to Speed for showing some, but from what it sounds like, places like Europe are much more in tune to what is going on in the two wheel world. (perhaps because just about everybody there has ridden on two wheels at one time or another with gas (fuel) prices so high. If you get great programming where you are, thank your lucky stars man, don’t move.
 
we're pretty spoilt in the uk

if you've got cable/sky you can watch.............

BSB
WSB
MOTO GP
AMA
IOM TT
SUPER-MOTO
MOTOR-X
MACCAU GP
NORTH WEST 200

some things are on lte or at odd times but i really can't complain

(unlike "wor lass" who's a f'kin expert)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Nov 9 2006, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>we're pretty spoilt in the uk

if you've got cable/sky you can watch.............

BSB
WSB
MOTO GP
AMA
IOM TT
SUPER-MOTO
MOTOR-X
MACCAU GP
NORTH WEST 200

some things are on lte or at odd times but i really can't complain

(unlike "wor lass" who's a f'kin expert)

Yup, you have to love sky! Except the maintainence cost is usually horrific, such chepo boxes and dishes. Still, millions of people saw Biaggi's bad attitude live on Eursport with Moody no doubt laughing away in the background. . .Eurosport commentators make the experiance so much better for me!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 10 2006, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Richo,

Ooops, yes I meant WSBK (World Super Bike). I'm not sure what is AMA SBK? Here we call the national series just AMA, and the World Super Bike SBK, but I'll put the "W" so I don't confuse anybody. Thanks to Mr. Shupe, he clarified this.

Ok, just clarifying.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChemiKaze @ Nov 9 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I rather watch my races without advertisements so WSBK.tv and MotoGP.com is the way to go.. just plug the PC/LT to the TV and wow.. the experience is just as good.

Do you have the WSBK.tv package? I'm considering signing up for it next year because WSBK coverage outside cable is crap down under. What's it like? how does it compare to the MotoGP package in terms of reliablilty, interviews, special features and the like?
 

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