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Max Biaggi

Joined Oct 2006
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Hey all, thought I'd raise an interesting topic!

For years now people have argued about Max Biaggi, mostly blown up between Valentino fans and I think it was blown out of proportion slightly, although I know either of them like each other, but they didn't hate each other either.

The way I see it, Biaggi got annoyed I suppose that Rossi stole the Italian limelight from him, when Biaggi was god in 250's. But too me, Biaggi is a legend either way and I really don't think he gets the respect he deserves and the whole Rossi thing really overshadowed what he could do on a bike ( the press, again ). But I'm no way taking sides, because I'll probably get flamed, and I respect Biaggi and Vale in the same way, probably Vale more actually, but I thought it was a point of discussion!

Anyways, Let's hope Biaggi gets the 'press monkey' of his back so too speak, and hope he does well in WSBK; I think he'll get a final top five championship position, with some valuable wins in the bag, but I'm afraid Bayliss has this year in that bag, he's just so consistantly quick!

Laters.
 
Biaggi is quite outspoken and so this can hurt him a little... When he was having chattering problems with Honda... his interviews showed frustration and he didn't give a sandwich remark... meaning what went well in the race.. what could be done... how well the team will attack the problem in the future... when Rossi had chattering problems with his Yamaha... he always sandwich his remarks and smile at the end...
Another rider that people like to flame is Pedrosa, but I haven't seen him complaining about the incapabilities of the bike but rather his mistake... Max made people think that it was his bike that was not allowing him to win races.
 
when i went to see moto gp at donnington in 2002 max came second. he stood on the podium with a face like a wet weekend. people stood next to me were shouting "why dont you smile max you tosser,you came second"
max came accross as a very negative person when ever he was interviewed and that doesn't tend to draw much support from people. mabe the media were select in the side of max they showed or mabe he was a spoiled little richboy who didnt get his own way,. yep you guessed it ,im not a fan
 
LOVE HIM! .... can't explain it ... i just like those kinda characters in racing ... they have attitude. Like Lorenzo, Biaggis clone ... same deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 6 2006, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when i went to see moto gp at donnington in 2002 max came second. he stood on the podium with a face like a wet weekend. people stood next to me were shouting "why dont you smile max you tosser,you came second"
max came accross as a very negative person when ever he was interviewed and that doesn't tend to draw much support from people. mabe the media were select in the side of max they showed or mabe he was a spoiled little richboy who didnt get his own way,. yep you guessed it ,im not a fan

That's why Rossi probably doesn't like him either then, he speeks in his autobiography how he detests negative people, that could explain it a little I suppose.
 
According to Toby Moody the Max and Rossi fury started at a lunch "party" when Rossi was still in 125's. Rossi and his mates where messing around and being boisterous and Max being Max didn't like it, went up to the group and told them all to "shut up and grow up"
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... Hmmm now that would have been funny to have seen.

I think Max is great..... in a funny kind of way.
 
The one thing I like about Max is he doesnt think he gains anything unless he wins, and what is the point of racing if thats not your mindset! No point in going for a third place if you want to be a champion (unless ure Nicky Hayden)
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I also like him because he gives people things to talk about.
 
I have a Max cap in my wardrobe (from his Yammy Marlbro days)............................shhh, dont tel anyone
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You can't fault the guy for not being happy with second.. at the end of the day he's a racer.. and if you're telling me rossi is happy with second.. well, lets just say if that were true my opinion of him would go steeply downhill.. but i don't think this is the case

Saying that, Max didn't have to be an arse and mope around because of it, he could at least have put a smile on for the cameras and shown a little sportsmanship.
 
His attitude towards mistakes annoyed me abit, he never found himself at fault, always the equipment.
 
Max - the king of bin it or win it. The truth is that when you have an attitude like his, you also have to have the mega-talent to back it up, which he didn't have.
I certainly don't love Max. Don't hate him either. He's not worthy of that. He certainly doesn't have my respect. Like them or hate them I find all riders in Motogp worthy of respect. And I actually don't hate anyone. To me they're all heroes. What always pissed me off about Max was his total inability to take responsibility for anything. It could have been the chassis, the track, the cold, the heat, the gears, the brakes, the shape of the clouds in the sky. Makes you think of British Rail excuses - wrong kind of leaves on the rails. Wrong kind of snow. Bla bla bla. On occasion he even blamed his crew which is just not on as they were just doing their jobs and having to deal with his prima donna fits at the same time. Not a man worthy of respect. The dude's got problems, but shouldn't take it out on the rest of the world. As for the Valentino thing...Vale was a kid, and acted like one. Max was a man, and didn't.
 
As a racer I like the guy, as a personality I think he's a miserable git but he has made the sport interesting. Not only is Max a good rider he's also a character. Why do people like Rossi? It's not that he's just a good rider but he's also a character. Unfortuanately with Max his character is a whinging one which gets up peoples noses. Including Honda!!

Having said that I can't wait to see Max in WSB next year
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Was never a big Biaggi fan , but his debut 500 season was an absolute stormer, you could not deny him that. He's a complex guy though, and Rossi got so far under his skin it mucked his head right up. At the end of the day, Max on his day could run with (and beat) Doohan and Rossi, not many guys have done that with any consistency and was incredible on a 250. I hope he does well in supers, like Koscinski (another complex character) he does deserve a better end to his career than just being frozen out of moto gp.

Pete
 
How many 4-stroke wins did max get? It'll be a good way to judge his SBK performance, till we hear:

It's too heavy
The tyres aren't grippy enough
Toseland and Haga are too rough
Bayliss' Ducati sounds faster than mine, so I guess it is
I don't know the tracks
Two races a day is too tiring for me
etc

I wanted him to win so badly in 05, but when he started slagging off Honda, you knew his competitive GP career was over... I don't think he'll do too badly in SBK... I mean if Barros can win 1 in 24 races, then max can surely double that.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Nov 7 2006, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I certainly don't love Max. He certainly doesn't have my respect. Like them or hate them I find all riders in Motogp worthy of respect.

Confusing: Max was a MotoGP rider. Do you or don't you respect him?

Anyway, Max is certainly a character. But in all great stories, there needs to be a hero and a villain, and the media is in charge of telling the story. Have any of you ever seen those reality shows? Well how do you think they make them interesting? Answer: they create drama. The images and sound bites we hear are the ones fed to us. Now having said that, Max has given the media much fodder. His character is abrasive to people, but I suspect much of it is due to his own critic of his performance which reveals itself in frustration. He has made attempts at explaining his shortcoming (some excuses, some not), but so have other riders, including Rossi (this may be news to some). Max is a talented rider, and obviously not liked by many, but I think some of this has been created by the media to generate drama. But much of it has been crafted in the minds of those that support Rossi; which think support also includes bashing his competitors. If you look at the contemporary record when they raced together, you will find that Sete Gibernau would be more accurately Rossi’s “rival”, if by the word “rival” you mean “challenger”, and look at how Sete has been vilified. My point here is this, many have not been very accepting of anyone who has been perceived as a “rival” of Rossi (not everyone, but certainly many). Just check out the trends of previous posts and reactions of people when Hayden was ahead in the points, then lost the points lead, then won the championship from Rossi.

As far as Max is concerned, I think it has been a good move for him to go to WSBK. This will answer many questions about his talent and ability. As far as his character, perhaps he can make a positive impression in a new fan base.

I’m interested to hear what anybody else thinks.
 
I agree, I wish him luck in WSBK, and hope he can get some good wins so everyone will get off his back, he could show his real talent then!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 7 2006, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Confusing: Max was a MotoGP rider. Do you or don't you respect him?

Max was the one exception to that rule. That's the point I tried to make.
You can blame the media, but in my case it's not a question of Rossi=hero hence Max= Villain. And quite a few people have more brains than to reason that way. I base my opinion of Max, and it is an opinion which was asked for and hence given, mainly on his 'fresh off the track' post-race interviews with the Italian media. Not anything to do with heavily edited footage in reality tv style.Max has a huge following in Italy and the italian commentators would simply ask for his post-race comments. He blamed everyone but himself whenever anything went wrong. Hence I don't like him. Like I have every right to. I love Rossi. But I like Hayden. Does that make me stupid? No. It's just that I really like bikes and racing. Max did on occasion blame his bike, therefore, for insulting my two-wheeled friends, he goes down in my bad guy list.
I think the people who defend Max's whingeing simply because they are anti-rossi and hence on 'his side' are every bit as sad as the ones who hate Max because they are rossi fans. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 7 2006, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yep you guessed it ,im not a fan

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Don't really care...It's like if he's not there, then he's not there, and if he is, he's still not there. I just passed his whining to an ear and out to the next.
 

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