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I would have posted this on his forum (of which I am a member), but I'd probably have to face junkyard watchdog, RustyBucket.  And such a post on the forum would have met an early censorship death. (Look away la-pirata, I'm going to oppose a few takes from Kropo)

 

The following quotes are from Thursday's round up after the pre-event press conference:

 

 
 

 

For Thursday was D-Day (or more accurately, perhaps, RD day) for Marc Marquez at Sepang. The championship leader faced a further hearing in front of Race Direction
 

 

 

Great imagery there Kropo.  D-Day ah, so epic.  Poor kid, was he really going to face a barrage of storming attackers?  Or more like  having  to face his buddies in Race Direction.  I would have loved to be a fly in that supposed intense closed door meeting; which likely was something more akin to banker CEOs chatting up with politicians they help elect.  Perhaps the most contentious part of the meeting was settling a golfing date, eh.

 


 
The net result? In short, next to nothing, except perhaps to add a small carbon fiber protector that should have been there in the first place.
 

 

Ah yes, that awful design flaw by bumbling buffoon engineers, dumb placement of a cable that was severed when the handle-bars of another rider ripped them off its location.  Maybe, as JK first said, and Dr. No mentioned recently (sorry stealing your point), those cables dangling on the sides of the fork should also be remedied, or better yet lets get rid of those protruding handle-bars themselves. I have an idea (which I stole) you have plenty of pictures of the GP bikes, surely one has a design flaw, why dont you go through them with a fine tooth comb and expose them. (Sarcasmand more below on the use of such a convention).

 


 
[Kropo mentions a list of electronic failures that have occurred in the past, then said of them] All of those, however, can mostly be attributed to human error of one form or another. Pedrosa's highside was down purely to HRC's failure to protect their sensor cable, and having a default fallback mode of full power.
 

 

Ah yes, the sensor cable severed itself, no human error involved, right?  Except of course for this small matter of another riders error (some might even call it, human error) resulting in necessary impact to sever such a cable.  Newsflash, the cable was severed by Marcs contact.  I know you dont want to believe it, but its nonetheless a physical fact.

 
The message Race Direction are sending is that if the manufacturers insist on building motorcycles that are so totally reliant on electronics, they had better make damn sure that if there is a problem with those electronics, nobody gets hurt.
 

 

Ah yes, now I see the consistency in Race Directions message regarding purpose built machines as it relates to rider safety, which they chose to apply in such an exceptional manner. (Sarcasm)  Then again, its not the first time the League have made exceptions for this particular rider.  The 25 point penalty indicates the bike was not fit for competition (thats the inherent message in penalties), again this begs the question, who approved of it fit for competition then?  What body would that be?

 
Jorge Lorenzo also believed the single penalty point sent a message, but an entirely wrong message in his eyes. Or at least, that is probably how we should interpret his rather bizarre outburst.
 

 

Bizarre outburst?  Is this the first exposure youve had to sarcasm?!  Its employed all the time, in fact Id say you employed it quite affectively to spin Lorenzo into a villain in this very article. Why would anybody struggle to interpret the message? It wasnt that subtle.  Ah perhaps you are presenting a counter message?!  One more suitable for your take on the incident (and the sheep that would agree with such an opinion).

 
Irony? Anyone watching Lorenzo's face knew it was surely ironic, but thrice did he deny it. Are you being serious? 'I'm being serious,' Lorenzo said. Totally ironic? 'It's my opinion, I'm not being ironic,' Lorenzo said again. You are not being ironic? 'Why do you keep going on about being ironic? I gave my opinion, and you should respect it.' It must have been hard to suppress the urge to listen for a .... crowing.
 

 

.... crowing.  Hahaha, again, hilarious imagery there Kropo.  I know youre not much of a Bible thumper, but it hasnt stopped you from using its imagery to portray the exchange in biblical proportions (I guess the D-Day metaphor was not quite ambitious enough). Though you have made a great case to crucify Lorenzo.  So let me get this straight, you had an inkling he was being ironic (satirical/sarcastic/mocking/tongue in cheek) BUT when pressed to reveal his use of such an obvious convention in conveying a message, you were fooled because he wouldnt break character?  WTF?  You have truly lost your mind and have sank to scraping the bottom of the barrel to paint him as the villain.  You ....... knew what he meant, and if you didnt you are a complete moron.  I dont think you are stupid; therefore, your intention here is exactly as I propose, you are twisting his message for your own chicken-.... devices.  He was being sarcastic!  You know what that is, so why are you ....... around as if its a new concept to you that a person wouldnt reveal his disposition for its intended affect?!

 

 
It was, to all intents and purposes, a stinging attack, but on whom? On Race Direction? Perhaps. Above all, it was an attack on the audience, on what people pay to watch.
 

 

No .... it was a stinging attack, and well deserved; yet you continue your twisting & lawyering to distort by asking: On whom?  Again, was his sarcastic message that subtle?  .... no!  You know who he was talking about, its an indictment on 1. Race Directions shallow inconsistent policing. 2. Marcs well documented propensity to ride dangerously. 3. Dorna predilection for spectacle at the expense of safety.  

 

Screw you if you think he was talking about the audience! Your sick twist of his words is shameful, as if he was portraying fans as goons tuning-in for a blood sport.  That is what you have twisted his message to be, and quite affectively I might add, as I see several agreeing with you that he was supposedly offending us spectators.  You know that is not what he meant, in fact you conceded he was being ironic (sarcastic), though apparently him not breaking character was somehow confusing to you.  Perhaps you need it to be spelled out, he was not attacking the audience (as you have purposefully twisted his intent); but rather it was an indictment on Dorna for thinking this is what the masses want, a spectacle.  You concede this point; yet still attempt to twist his message?!  Shame on you Kropo.  You have yourself portrayed the sport as entertainment.  (see below)

 
Is Lorenzo right? It is true that Dorna is trying to increase the spectacle, because that is what the crowds demand. While rider safety is a paramount consideration, there is one thing which Lorenzo overlooks, however: MotoGP, like all forms of professional sport, is first and foremost entertainment.
 

 

You see, you concede the point he is making and still attempt to twist his intent?  I say again, shame on you Kropo.  His message was directed partly at Dorna for trumping spectacle over safety. You just said that above, so why would you be supposedly confused at his message in which he employed sarcasm?  You are not dumb Kropo, but you re definitely being deceitful.

 
The elephant in the room is the fact that the four strokes have made the situation infinitely worse.
 

 

WTF?  It wasnt enough that you blamed Honda for the incident, but now 4-stokes (as opposed to 2-stokes) are the problem?  Why isnt the problem simply dangerous ........?  

 

No, the elephant in the room is that dangerous riders are dangerous.  These machines dont ride themselves, and when careless riders are not mindful of others on the track, then these machines can be used as weapons.  People were crashing and dying when the bikes made a measly 75hp just the same, its not the bike that is the problem when a person uses it as a steel and carbon fiber enema.

 

 
Marc Marquez pronounced himself unimpressed with the penalty. He would continue to ride as he always had, he said, though he would also continue to attempt to avoid any contact, as had always been his intention. Marquez' problem is his style, carrying more corner speed, which means he runs into the back of riders who brake harder and make it harder to judge.
 

 

Ah, I see, its not Marcs fault for misjudging his speed relative to the guy in front (in the act of racing), its just a problem with his style.  Got it. (Im using sarcasm here, do you see it, or should I spell it out)?  So then, how are any passes made at all?  Are not the CRTs on the track with him also slower, and at some point must be passed during practice?  Doesnt Marc carry more corner speed than the CRTs, therefore he should (as you suggest) be running into the back of riders all the time.  Thanks for spinning a nice but weak apology for the kid.  However, lets take a look again at what he actually said when pressed on how the warning penalty (and inherent message from Race Direction which you spelled out) would affect his riding.  He didnt give much of a caveat to avoid contact as you have added. He said:  (and I quote)  In the end, I will be the same.

 

 

Kropo, Im starting to wonder if you might have been hired by Dorna PR.  Because you have turned Lorenzo into the villains role that the League needed for its hero.  Like all good successful entertainment ventures, we need a protagonist and the antagonist.  Clearly our hero is Marc in the narrative, but until now a villain had not yet properly filled the role.  Move over Sete, Max, Casey, Honda-sensors, there is a new villain in town.  
 
Dude, was the Johnny-esque '.cum' really necessary?  :scratch:(Yea, I know it's tough keeping all your sock puppets personalities separate. ;)  )


The points you make are occasionally overcooked (as usual!) but altogether they are strong enough to stand on their own.


 


You're not the only one questioning Krop's tilt: Blaming it all on a harmless 'riding style' mismatch seems a bit oblivious.


Has anyone else noticed that Krop hasn't been spending as much time here?  I think that without the Tin Foil crowd around here offering him grounded, down-to-Earth, points of view, he's lost all perspective and has been assimilated by the MotoGP collective.  Psychologists have completed hundreds of studies that demonstrating how group/peer opinion can alter a subject's perception of reality.  The scarey thing is that he never even saw it coming, and is, even now, likely to be completely unaware of his bias. (And so goes another bright eyed noobie Journo, who's dreams of changing the world lasted only as long as his objectivity.  So sad... :wounded1:)
 
Jumkie
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Ah yes, the sensor cable severed itself, no human error involved, right?  Except of course for this small matter of another riders error (some might even call it, human error) resulting in necessary impact to sever such a cable.  Newsflash, the cable was severed by Marcs contact.  I know you dont want to believe it, but its nonetheless a physical fact.

  

 


 


Jum, have you not been listening to Kropo?  He clearly believes that Marquez is sooooo good he can't possibly be human, ergo he can't make a human error 
 
I read this round up because of your post Jumkie. Regarding the things Krop´s says about Lorenzo, I don´t think he´s intentionally or even subconsicously vilivying him as much as in your interpretation. Regarding Marquez and the incident, nothing new there, too little objectivity in his reporting on it for my taste but that's common in sports journalism.
 
What I do strongly object to is this:

"In one thing, Lorenzo is right: the health of the sport means protecting the health of the riders. If there are no actors in what sports promoter and marketing genius Barry Hearn described as 'a soap opera for men' then there is also no show. If the names keep changing as riders die or are crippled out of competition, then audiences have no fixed stars in their firmament by which to navigate. Audiences may want to see a fight, but they need to be shown a clean fight, with as few injuries as possible, bearing in mind this is a motorized sport. We don't need any more Shoya Tomizawas, Peter Lenzes, Marco Simoncellis."

Protecting riders because they are cash cows. Hey, maybe we should implement a ranking system so we can determinate just how much protection each rider deserves on the basis of his appeal to fans.

These kind of extreme reductionist utilitarian morals are unfortunately all too common.
 
Do this new bread of neo bopper boneresque type marquez blind followers have a nick name yet ?


 


For the record i quite like Marquez. I dont think of him as the new messiah or feel the unrelenting urge to suck his weener. I think of him more as thye cute baby faced grinning yobo


 


Oh, Kroppo. Do these motogp bikes have to pass scrutinering before the race ? If so why did they pass a bike so unsafe it got Honda a 25 point deduction?
 
chopperman
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Do this new bread of neo bopper boneresque type marquez blind followers have a nick name yet ?


 


For the record i quite like Marquez. I dont think of him as the new messiah or feel the unrelenting urge to suck his weener. I think of him more as thye cute baby faced grinning yobo


 


Oh, Kroppo. Do these motogp bikes have to pass scrutinering before the race ? If so why did they pass a bike so unsafe it got Honda a 25 point deduction?


So you don't feel the need to blow Marky,  but having a nosh on Jum's little chorizo is ok,,
 
I've noted Krops absence and it saddens me. Whether you agree with his opinions or not, his contributions are welcome but I fear he doesn't have time for a lot of our current shizzle.
 
Mick D
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I've noted Krops absence and it saddens me. Whether you agree with his opinions or not, his contributions are welcome but I fear he doesn't have time for a lot of our current shizzle.


Actually Mick, he's ...... of with Jum ridiculing every thing he says, its the same for anyone who dare disagree with him, im only winding a few up as im pissed that we cant talk about racing anymore, without page long essays from him saying we are ........ for not seeing things his way, how many leave or are put off because of Jumkies rubbish? there is only one reason this place is in a mess, and we all know who it is, but only a few speak out.
 
la-pirata
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Actually Mick, he's ...... of with Jum ridiculing every thing he says, its the same for anyone who dare disagree with him, im only winding a few up as im pissed that we cant talk about racing anymore, without page long essays from him saying we are ........ for not seeing things his way, how many leave or are put off because of Jumkies rubbish? there is only one reason this place is in a mess, and we all know who it is, but only a few speak out.
I dare. It´s that tiresome bunch who cannot accept that people have differing opinions, are scared when there isn´t complete consensus comforming to their own beliefs, have trouble ignoring people they do not like on the internet despite the option to click on the ignore button, think that this place is a constant popularity contest that they must somehow win, have a hard time accepting that most people here are perfectly capable of independent thought, constantly get agitated because of these reasons, and then piss off, only to return with a new alias within a week, time after time after time.
 
Jums always been the same and the forum was rockin'. Its certainly not one persons doing. Get past the slagging and engage him... he'll take as good as he gives if yer on point. Signed .... D!
 
stiefel
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I dare. It´s that tiresome bunch who cannot accept that people have differing opinions, are scared when there isn´t complete consensus comforming to their own beliefs, have trouble ignoring people they do not like on the internet despite the option to click on the ignore button, think that this place is a constant popularity contest that they must somehow win, have a hard time accepting that most people here are perfectly capable of independent thought, constantly get agitated because of these reasons, and then piss off, only to return with a new alias within a week, time after time after time.


So now we are both talking about Jumkie, what can be done about it?
 
Mick D
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Jums always been the same and the forum was rockin'. Its certainly not one persons doing. Get past the slagging and engage him... he'll take as good as he gives if yer on point. Signed .... D!


So engage him and then get a page of drivel saying you are a blow IQ ....., how does that adhere new members to a forum that is supposed to be about racing.  
 
la-pirata
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So now we are both talking about Jumkie, what can be done about it?
Kid, if you like playing this game, I´m not going to try and stop you. But I think it would be nice if you´d consider diverting all that energy into making some useful contributions instead.
 
stiefel
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Kid, if you like playing this game, I´m not going to try and stop you. But I think it would be nice if you´d consider diverting all that energy into making some useful contributions instead.


I, Krops and many others have made lots of useful contributions to this forum for a long time, only for Jum and his friends to try and publicly make us look like fools, then say it is our fault for not having a thick enough skin, a forum is meant to be a place that all can have a view without being publically attacked at every turn.
 
la-pirata
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I, Krops and many others have made lots of useful contributions to this forum for a long time, only for Jum and his friends to try and publicly make us look like fools, then say it is our fault for not having a thick enough skin, a forum is meant to be a place that all can have a view without being publically attacked at every turn.
It´s your choice kid.
 
stiefel
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It´s your choice kid.


Yes it is, but are you not even slightly pissed, that a genuine paddock insider and nice guy who took the time to come on here, has been chased of by Jum's relentless ridicule?  you asked me for something useful and I gave it to you, your answer was, "your choice kid".
 

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