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No need for the analysis, I have been to a few tracks and noticed that Marquez bike sound differently from other Moto2 bike, and on the straight the bike is pulling like having additional cylinder.
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Thanks Geo. I have also been doing some scientific analysis of my own. Very interesting findings. I'm not going to give away just yet which Moto2 entries are represented below, but lets just say one of them is the CatalunyaCaixa Repsol Team.
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I have this great fear, that this kid is like a young stoner and we are all heaping .... in him and not recognising his talents.
He has to ride in a third tier team and my understanding is he travels from race to race in a horse and cart owned by the incestious gypsies that adopted him after ferrets consumed his whole family, mistaking them at the time for rats or rabbits so diminutive in stature they were.
He dreams if owning a fiat 500 with a real synthetic pillow on the seat.
Being associated with travellers has of course dampened any enthusiasm sponsors have towards him, and he is sleeping on hessian bags and eating road kill. He wishes he could afford westys sinus spray. Gypsies use a potent mixture of crushed nettles and goat urine.
I think we should get behind this little battler.
He has to ride in a third tier team and my understanding is he travels from race to race in a horse and cart owned by the incestious gypsies that adopted him after ferrets consumed his whole family, mistaking them at the time for rats or rabbits so diminutive in stature they were.
He dreams if owning a fiat 500 with a real synthetic pillow on the seat.
Being associated with travellers has of course dampened any enthusiasm sponsors have towards him, and he is sleeping on hessian bags and eating road kill. He wishes he could afford westys sinus spray. Gypsies use a potent mixture of crushed nettles and goat urine.
I think we should get behind this little battler.
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Thanks Geo. I have also been doing some scientific analysis of my own. Very interesting findings. I'm not going to give away just yet which Moto2 entries are represented below, but lets just say one of them is the CatalunyaCaixa Repsol Team.
WTF??
Guy has no doubt had every advantage, and him getting off after the recent practice torpedo does speak strongly of favouritism. Does not mean absolutely any conspiracy theory raised about him is correct though.
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With all due respect, this is what is most amusing about this whole thing. Did you know that proof is most often never actually proven in a court of law? So much evidence, even if it was caught on video, people would be saying it’s a doctored video, its not real, bla bla bla. The acceleration is quite the visual outlier, but we are supposed to believe since there hasn't been any physical evidence discovered, it’s all just in our imagination, or worse "conspiracy"? Part of me thinks you are taking the diplomatic route because some how you may think that if you agree that the acceleration advantage accounts for his success that it can be somehow linked to CS 07 success. But sir, we are talking about a spec series here. That is an entirely different scenario. So please, feel at liberty to support in words what your eyes see on the track regarding Marc's acceleration advantage. Its a completely different situation.
The guy whilst getting every advantage still seems to be fairly good. Valentino rossi always seemed to have his path smoothed as well, sometimes perhaps even literally in the case of a certain grid sweeping incident, but this did not preclude him being also rather extremely good.
Marquez may well have an acceleration advantage; if you want to postulate he is getting a better engine by fair means or foul then that may well be the case. The hacked ecu thing just seems unlikely to me, as kropotkin also seems to think. Not that an ecu couldn't be hacked, just how much it would help and whether it would be detectable. The explanation given in the german article doesn't ring true to me, acknowledging my limited technical knowledge.
And yes I am trying to be fair because of casey stoner, and not because I am still worried about detraction from his 2007 title, but for the opposite reason, because many things said about him then and even widely accepted have now been proven untrue. I believe the default position should be to credit a rider's success, and I am surprised if you are different given attitudes to nicky's championship in 2006. Btw, I have always recognised that stoner clearly did have a straightline advantage in 2007 particularly early season, just one that was impossible to utilise unless you were him and could somehow get the pig of a thing through the corners by his unique method. It has since emerged that at the track where he had the most pronounced advantage, which was either turkey or china, yamaha had a gearing problem which limited performance on the straights. It also seems to be now widely accepted (which by my own argument doesn't make it correct) that stoner's riding style helps straightline performance because of the manner and speed of his corner exit.
I can see that there might (and I do say might) be legal factors giving marquez a straight line advantage, including his particularly diminutive size ( he is even smaller than dani pedrosa which is said to give dani a straightline advantage), and possibly elements of his riding style. I believe they are actually proposing a combined bike and rider weight limit in moto2, and weight would be expected to have more influence with a low performance spec engine than in the premier class. I don't even know the engine rule in moto2 which I don't follow closely, but if there is no limit on the number of engines perhaps his well resourced team can push their engines harder and replace them more frequently, or test out more engines to find particularly good ones as production engines do vary. There is also perhaps a vague possibility that they can use design elements such as aerodynamics to give the bike a straightline advantage at the expense of stability/handling, with marquez able to overcome the handling problems; something similar may have contributed to stoner/ducati in 2007.
That said, sure it is a spec series, and with the evidence of him getting off the reprimand for the stupid practice crash perhaps dorna might be prepared to overlook cheating on matters technical. I don't think there is any evidence that they have ever done this previously for anyone though, although as you know I am not averse to conspiracy theories myself about them doing things to disadavantage competitors, specifically casey stoner, such as lex's 2008 tyre conspiracy (changing the tyre that year, not the control tyre which followed in 2009) and to a lesser extent them changing the bike weight and tyres for the current season at a late stage to disadvantage honda and stoner, concerning which you were quite sceptical at the time as I am about the marquez hacked ecu thing. I still think they were not keen on stoner or honda winning this year, but perhaps those changes were made for good reasons other than stopping stoner, or honda deserved it or whatever as many have argued.
(EDIT Centrally supplied randomly allocated sealed engines I believe. Similar rules for tyres in wsbk hasn't stopped speculation that some competitors get more equal tyres than others though).
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Speaking for myself, what has made me suspious were the times I saw Marquez battle with people on straights. I've seen him occasionally letting off the power/being blocked, only to out fly by his competitors moments later without even attempting to get a draft. Nothing to do with corner exit, and I just cannot believe that those speed and accelaration differences on a straight are down to the frame or his weight.
That takes nothing away from his talent, I think he's a very talented kid and would probably be winning lots anyway. The 'hacked ecu overriding the quickshifter'-thing will probably turn out to be a red herring, but that does not necessarily imply there isn't something going on.
That takes nothing away from his talent, I think he's a very talented kid and would probably be winning lots anyway. The 'hacked ecu overriding the quickshifter'-thing will probably turn out to be a red herring, but that does not necessarily imply there isn't something going on.
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Mike, fair enuf. Small note, Not sure how this "default position" relates to 06, as "luck" rather than 'performance advantages' were the basis of detraction.
Dont feel like going further into CS07 tangent. But again, CS was often not the fastest bike, other Ducs were actually. So this is diff, as Marcs bike appears to be the sole bike with such visible acceleration, and no, not just out if corner. My point, its ok to speculate, especially when the visual outlier is so peculiar BECAUSE its a 'spec' series.
Anyway, i think there are some shenanigans, not the least bit by what u've now correctly emphasized, his seemingly untouchable status by race direction. (Wilarot, Kalio, Pol, etal. Lost count).
Dont feel like going further into CS07 tangent. But again, CS was often not the fastest bike, other Ducs were actually. So this is diff, as Marcs bike appears to be the sole bike with such visible acceleration, and no, not just out if corner. My point, its ok to speculate, especially when the visual outlier is so peculiar BECAUSE its a 'spec' series.
Anyway, i think there are some shenanigans, not the least bit by what u've now correctly emphasized, his seemingly untouchable status by race direction. (Wilarot, Kalio, Pol, etal. Lost count).
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I've been looking for them, but have had no luck. If anyone has access to the moto2 races of this season, and way too much time on their hands (anyone with a post count above 1000 qualifies I suppose), please put on your tinfoil hat and rewatch them with a sceptic's/paranoid's eye. As for the second part, I don't know. Honestly, no idea. Hopefully I'm just crazy and imagining things.
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i have a lot of moto 2 recorded, i'll go back and do some burning if you wish and snail mail?
it is genuinely better than the other bikes.
Sure, I wasn't on here in 2006, but am peripherally aware nicky was said to be "lucky", luck which apparently encompassed being taken out by pedrosa and competing against a field with among the most potential (and actual) winning bikes and/or riders in premier class history. As you have argued perhaps that year was the only one recently when 2 or 3 riders didn't have a large advantage.
My point, obviously not well made, was that championship winners should be given credit as a default, not that nicky was said to have a technical advantage, other than yamaha's "unlucky" chatter problem. I was trying to be consistent in my attitude given our recent spanish posters seem like reasonable folk, remembering my annoyance by reactions to/explanations of stoner's success in 2007. I actually also agree with our spanish friends having watched the estoril 2006 thing again recently that it was a mistake/riding error, imo akin to rossi's stoner take out last year, although what pedrosa was doing attempting such a pass against his team-mate in the circumstances is another question.
I do think the weight thing may be significant, as dorna are acknowledging by proposing a minimum weight for moto 2, after marquez is gone of course, and given that pedrosa looks at times to have an acceleration advantage in motogp. I don't know whether the moto 2 bikes with the control ecu have much leeway in terms of set-up including gearing etc, and if they don't perhaps the hacking of the ecu theory has increased credibility. There is recent talk that pedrosa has set up his bike for out of corner acceleration etc because it doesn't seem to cost him otherwise, but he doesn't have a control ecu (as yet) of course.
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Why would I have to go back and watch? I have watched that ...... throttle off, look back, check his watch down long straights all season. Sometimes not even giving up position.
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No, of course not but we all aspire to proletarian idealism that fundamentally excuses us for sticking the silver spoon of the bourgeois up the dogs arse before we set the table for them.
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