He is bringing his crew chief and one mechanic.
The much, much bigger problem for the satellite teams was Repsol. Gresini has been with Castrol for 10+ years, LCR has been with Elf since at least the beginning of their MotoGP time.
He is bringing his crew chief and one mechanic.
The much, much bigger problem for the satellite teams was Repsol. Gresini has been with Castrol for 10+ years, LCR has been with Elf since at least the beginning of their MotoGP time.
Why was all the media about satellites building crews for years and then having to let them all go for just 1 year? This is the thing that pisses people off. They give a ........ story to hide their lack of integrity and then when the ........ gets discovered they change the story and say "no it was really because of .......".
No doubt the 4 bike rule was also ........ to cut off the option that should have been taken which was run him in his own team on a 5th Honda with his own sponsors and crew letting someone else who has already abided by the rules get a chance on a factory bike.
The 4 bike rule is the one rule which baffles me. I think Dorna thinks that this will prevent the factories from flooding the grid with satellite bikes, but without this rule, and the rookie rule, then there would have been 13 factory bikes instead of 12, with Marquez in a team of his own, Nastro Azzurro style. That may have been Scott Redding's best hope of a MotoGP ride, though it has to be said that Honda blocked Redding, mainly because Dorna wanted him in the class.
EDIT: and if Marquez had gone to a satellite team, he would have had all of his crew with him. The only team with better mechanics in the paddock than Monlau is Repsol Honda.
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7th 14 Marc Marquez Honda 1:33.403 1.081
(Side note: absent: Lorenzo, Valentino. Newly sequestered: Dovi, Abraham, Barbera, surely they were good for a few tens on Pirro)
Damn weather. I'm kinda bummed that VR didn't stick around to see if day two offered a bit better weather. Anyway, regarding Marc. Making the step up may not be what it use to, I don't know, but I've heard some riders allude. Impressive, well, I suppose as impressive say JRea making his debut on Stoner's bike. I doubt you will call JRea an "alien" right? Though I will give you this, Smith is unimpressive if we are to make a connection between his debut against his teammate. Well, I had a feeling we wouldn't be able to make much of a conclusion after Valencia; Marc is a very talented kid, as many of his rivals are as well, a case I've tried to make with little traction. Personally I am more impressed by Dovi's debut, as it appears he is as good or better than the supposed Goat. Its your propensity to buy into the results regardless of disparity of the series, attributing it to particular riders who enjoy every possible advantage to succeed, is what gives me pause; I mean, if experts & insiders can made such an assessment, what chance do we have, eh. I suspect you will be quick to call Marc an "alien" at the earliest convenience.
7th 14 Marc Marquez Honda 1:33.403 1.081
(Side note: absent: Lorenzo, Valentino. Newly sequestered: Dovi, Abraham, Barbera, surely they were good for a few tens on Pirro)
Damn weather. I'm kinda bummed that VR didn't stick around to see if day two offered a bit better weather. Anyway, regarding Marc. Making the step up may not be what it use to, I don't know, but I've heard some riders allude. Impressive, well, I suppose as impressive say JRea making his debut on Stoner's bike. I doubt you will call JRea an "alien" right? Though I will give you this, Smith is unimpressive if we are to make a connection between his debut against his teammate. Well, I had a feeling we wouldn't be able to make much of a conclusion after Valencia; Marc is a very talented kid, as many of his rivals are as well, a case I've tried to make with little traction. Personally I am more impressed by Dovi's debut, as it appears he is as good or better than the supposed Goat. Its your propensity to buy into the results regardless of disparity of the series, attributing it to particular riders who enjoy every possible advantage to succeed, is what gives me pause; I mean, if experts & insiders can made such an assessment, what chance do we have, eh. I suspect you will be quick to call Marc an "alien" at the earliest convenience.
Honestly these lap times don't mean anything. It's their first days riding these 1000c MotoGP bikes. Marquez, Smith, and Iannone have never ridden a MotoGP bike before. I think Dovi will definitely be on a faster pace than Rossi was on the Duck. Iannone will have a handful of very good results. They aren't anywhere near their potential yet. Just wait for the next test and hope it's in the dry.
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I reckon that's about right, but moreso the second and third test are going to show us the real picture.
So I had a conversation with Michael Bartholemy of Marc VDS about Scott Redding, and he said that Redding was taking a leaf out of Marquez' book. He also said that it was clear that Marquez was on an inferior bike last year, and that their bike was better.
Kropotkin
I was wondering what brought this back up.. Good stuff.. I'm 6'5" .. My 5 year old son should be the same.. Redding succeeding in anyway is my big hope for him Lol.. Xaus let me down.. But redding.. Go tall guy!
I was wondering what brought this back up.. Good stuff.. I'm 6'5" .. My 5 year old son should be the same.. Redding succeeding in anyway is my big hope for him Lol.. Xaus let me down.. But redding.. Go tall guy!
Kropotkin
Marquez was on an inferior bike? A bike that out acclerated the entire field???
I find that Marquez's bike was inferior extremely hard to believe. The Catalunya/Respol sponsored bike?
I hope that I missed a bit of sarcasm.
Marquez was on an inferior bike? A bike that out acclerated the entire field???
I find that Marquez's bike was inferior extremely hard to believe. The Catalunya/Respol sponsored bike?
I hope that I missed a bit of sarcasm.
Duc999
Why the .... would the team manager of one Marquez' main rivals say that Marquez was on an INFERIOR bike if he didn't believe it?
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Kropotkin
Because never has a team manager praised his own equipment over his rival's? You haven't ever heard a podium interview have you? The second and third place guys (save maybe a one Cal Crutchlow) will praise his own equipment and often (except on rare occasion) say it was their rival's better pace to account for them being beat. Most often they don't say, it was my inferior bike that held me back...unless, as has been recently fashionable, you are from Coventry.
Because never has a team manager praised his own equipment over his rival's? You haven't ever heard a podium interview have you? The second and third place guys (save maybe a one Cal Crutchlow) will praise his own equipment and often (except on rare occasion) say it was their rival's better pace to account for them being beat. Most often they don't say, it was my inferior bike that held me back...unless, as has been recently fashionable, you are from Coventry.
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No, you didn't miss the sarcasm, you got a front row seat to 'confirmation bias' & 'group think' otherwise known as lunacy. Marc was NOT on an inferior bike, far from it. In fact, I don't even think his "teammates" had his particular equipment. Of course a rival's team manager would have fully assessed his rival's bike, right? (this is sarcasm) I mean, isn't that what Mr. Burgess did when he also declared from across the paddock that he could fix his rival's bike?
Give me a break Krops. Marc on an inferior bike in Moto2? He said it, so it must be true. Ok, but oddly enough, Bradley Smith said Marc's team cheated, but hes a ....... liar! Well, was a liar....until his take on Jerez. Cherry pick much?
No, you didn't miss the sarcasm, you got a front row seat to 'confirmation bias' & 'group think' otherwise known as lunacy. Marc was NOT on an inferior bike, far from it. In fact, I don't even think his "teammates" had his particular equipment. Of course a rival's team manager would have fully assessed his rival's bike, right? (this is sarcasm) I mean, isn't that what Mr. Burgess did when he also declared from across the paddock that he could fix his rival's bike?
Give me a break Krops. Marc on an inferior bike in Moto2? He said it, so it must be true. Ok, but oddly enough, Bradley Smith said Marc's team cheated, but hes a ....... liar! Well, was a liar....until his take on Jerez. Cherry pick much?
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we can argue about marquez suter all we want, fact of the matter is this :
he was suters #1 guy and he alone got the best stuff while everyone else on a suter was f-ed.contrast that to kalex approach where everyone got the same gear.
and if i can trust what i've heard the kalex only became the better bike sometime during 2011.
also, never let reason and logic stop you from joining LRRP and me in the AmA
he was suters #1 guy and he alone got the best stuff while everyone else on a suter was f-ed.contrast that to kalex approach where everyone got the same gear.
and if i can trust what i've heard the kalex only became the better bike sometime during 2011.
also, never let reason and logic stop you from joining LRRP and me in the AmA
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Kropos, that was a fantastic interview from Barth. He said some very interesting things. But, kind and learned friend' are u using this to prove Marquez was on an "inferior" bike? Or are u using this to advance your idea that Marquez didn't have a special edition of his own chassis at some point? Because this interview would do neither for you sir. Did you miss the part where he said, "from Aragon Suter started to concentrate on Marquez", basically the last third of the season. He left no room for our imagination by adding: "From my point of view that seems perfectly reasonable, if you want to avoid that, you have to make your own motorcycle." Avoid what?
The question he was answering was two fold, one, the difference in success after they switched to Kalex, and two, the interviewers speculation that this might have been due to Suter's concentration on Marquez. The answer was clear. Suter didn't start off concentrating on Marquez...THEN they did. AND he added a caveat regarding Suter being generally designed for midgets, of which Redding is not. So then if your are a midget, according to Barth, then the Suter will suit.
Also, I'd like to highlight a few other interesting things Barth said:
I agree. And I'll add, despite your disagreement, the disparity between Iannone and Marquez are not what the lap times/results depict. As I argued before, Marc is special, but he aint Jesus Christ. Redding will end up on some .... 2nd tier team, and we won't read any of the accolades that were missed by pundits and plaudits about how special he is as we were/are force fed about Marky.
No comment.
I said on the Cal WTF thread after round 2 of the championship, that I was hoping Yamaha would sign Pol because Redding was going to kick his .... I was also wishing Cal would be successful, because nothing gives me more pleasure than seeing the arrogance of Dorna's machinates and related Spanish politic crash and burn in flames. I'd gladly walk some of my criticism back regarding Cal, not so much thanks to him (though he is doing his part on the track); but rather thanks to Redding's performance. As Redding is in direct competition with Pol. (And while on the subject, I'm under no allusions what we say here are of any consequence or importance).
Vinales' Spanish arrogance was in spectacular display last year. Talking .... about his employer and saying his bike was not up to snuff and demanded more to compete or he would leave the team...sound familiar? Despite critiquing this guy's mouth, I knew his career prospects wouldn't be hurt one iota (and i think same for Cal). Thats what sports teaches, you do well enough on the field, and who gives a .... what you say or do off it. Except, in the case of DornaGP, being Spanish means you can .... everyboby's sister and still be invited back for dinner by Daddy and friends.
Some "stopped" with the program, some quit/retired/resigned from the sport all together.
Ah, of course. But this is MotoGP. In the words of Dovi, "GP isn't a meritocracy." Im worried Scott will go off to some .... team and we will never know his full potential. Can we have a gentlemen s agreement and just trade seats between him and Smith next year?
The question he was answering was two fold, one, the difference in success after they switched to Kalex, and two, the interviewers speculation that this might have been due to Suter's concentration on Marquez. The answer was clear. Suter didn't start off concentrating on Marquez...THEN they did. AND he added a caveat regarding Suter being generally designed for midgets, of which Redding is not. So then if your are a midget, according to Barth, then the Suter will suit.
Also, I'd like to highlight a few other interesting things Barth said:
I agree. And I'll add, despite your disagreement, the disparity between Iannone and Marquez are not what the lap times/results depict. As I argued before, Marc is special, but he aint Jesus Christ. Redding will end up on some .... 2nd tier team, and we won't read any of the accolades that were missed by pundits and plaudits about how special he is as we were/are force fed about Marky.
No comment.
I said on the Cal WTF thread after round 2 of the championship, that I was hoping Yamaha would sign Pol because Redding was going to kick his .... I was also wishing Cal would be successful, because nothing gives me more pleasure than seeing the arrogance of Dorna's machinates and related Spanish politic crash and burn in flames. I'd gladly walk some of my criticism back regarding Cal, not so much thanks to him (though he is doing his part on the track); but rather thanks to Redding's performance. As Redding is in direct competition with Pol. (And while on the subject, I'm under no allusions what we say here are of any consequence or importance).
Vinales' Spanish arrogance was in spectacular display last year. Talking .... about his employer and saying his bike was not up to snuff and demanded more to compete or he would leave the team...sound familiar? Despite critiquing this guy's mouth, I knew his career prospects wouldn't be hurt one iota (and i think same for Cal). Thats what sports teaches, you do well enough on the field, and who gives a .... what you say or do off it. Except, in the case of DornaGP, being Spanish means you can .... everyboby's sister and still be invited back for dinner by Daddy and friends.
Some "stopped" with the program, some quit/retired/resigned from the sport all together.
Ah, of course. But this is MotoGP. In the words of Dovi, "GP isn't a meritocracy." Im worried Scott will go off to some .... team and we will never know his full potential. Can we have a gentlemen s agreement and just trade seats between him and Smith next year?
That interview was pretty confusing... So is it BS about Marquez getting favoritism from Suter or not? He claims only for the end of last season, but how come not one other Moto2 rider could do what he was doing EVERY weekend?
As for Vinales and the Honda Moto3 engine, well, I have to think the Vinales was correct. Look at the season so far. Where are the Hondas? Fenati, who won his 2nd race and almost won a few more, can hardly mix it up into the top 10 this year. That Honda cannot compete with the KTM or even the ....... Mahindra. Honestly they might as well just turn Moto3 into a spec series and have KTM be the engine supplier at this point.
Not really sure what he's on about with the satelite bikes. Sure they may be nearly as good, but nearly as good doesn't mean competitive. When was the last time a Satellite bike won a race? Only time I can think of is Toni Elias beating Rossi by the length of a hair in 2006.
As for Vinales and the Honda Moto3 engine, well, I have to think the Vinales was correct. Look at the season so far. Where are the Hondas? Fenati, who won his 2nd race and almost won a few more, can hardly mix it up into the top 10 this year. That Honda cannot compete with the KTM or even the ....... Mahindra. Honestly they might as well just turn Moto3 into a spec series and have KTM be the engine supplier at this point.
Not really sure what he's on about with the satelite bikes. Sure they may be nearly as good, but nearly as good doesn't mean competitive. When was the last time a Satellite bike won a race? Only time I can think of is Toni Elias beating Rossi by the length of a hair in 2006.
