Marc Marquez versus Casey Stoner
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As difficult as it is to compare 2 riders from different eras, and as much as I respect both Casey and Marc - I have to say Marquez hands down. Casey was a brilliant rider, but there really isn't anyone in motogp, past or present, who rides like Marc. Casey rode like a bat out of hell, but Marc rides like a bat out of hell if you gave it a bump of coke and set it on fire first... The extreme way he hangs off the bike, the ferocious momentum he carries into the corners, and his ability to keep his cool going head to head with the very best gives him the advantage. Casey was never the best under pressure, but Marc has gone 9 for 9 this years against Vale, Jorge, and Dani - and they haven't exactly gone easy on him. Even if Casey was on the 2014 motogp astride a Repsol, I still think Marc would be 9 out of 9. To Casey's credit - I think he'd be a close second though
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As difficult as it is to compare 2 riders from different eras, and as much as I respect both Casey and Marc - I have to say Marquez hands down. Casey was a brilliant rider, but there really isn't anyone in motogp, past or present, who rides like Marc. Casey rode like a bat out of hell, but Marc rides like a bat out of hell if you gave it a bump of coke and set it on fire first... The extreme way he hangs off the bike, the ferocious momentum he carries into the corners, and his ability to keep his cool going head to head with the very best gives him the advantage. Casey was never the best under pressure, but Marc has gone 9 for 9 this years against Vale, Jorge, and Dani - and they haven't exactly gone easy on him. Even if Casey was on the 2014 motogp astride a Repsol, I still think Marc would be 9 out of 9. To Casey's credit - I think he'd be a close second though
I would have taken Stoner at Qatar, his pole time and race time is still faster than Marquez, dude was magic at that track. I would also take him at Phillip Island, unbeatable there. Stoner may not have the mental toughness and race craft of Marquez, but i think as far as flat speed, he was more than a match for Marquez
Until Marquez test himself on something other than a Honda, we will never know. There have been enough different legs thrown over a Ducati to say that Stoner is the best Ducati rider in Moto GP history. I would love to see Casey back at Ducati again, it just wasn't the same when he was on the Honda.
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I think we have to keep in mind the Ducati was a winning machine before Casey rode for them in 2007....
Capirossi did winning races in 2005, and was doing the business in 2006...until the big crash at Cataluyna....once he'd recovered fully by Brno, Capirossi was again winning ... hell even Bayliss that hadn't won any races on the old Ducati won in a GP race in 2006...
My point is Stoner didnt win the 2007 on a crap Ducati...he won it on a proven design though with 200cc's less....
If Stoner could win on the 2013 or 2014 Ducati vs MM then we'd could say without a doubt that he can beat MM....I personally think if MM had ridden or been old enough to ride the 2007 800 Ducati then he would have won the title that year....
If we had Stoner and MM were both on the 2014 Honda then we'd have a show, but even then MM would win....
I think we need to remember that the bike in 2006 & 2007 were completely different formulas, 990 v's 800, and would have had very little in common. If they were comparable, Capirossi would have continued doing the business, not turn into a back marker as he did.
On a bike which is difficult to ride, I say Stoners wins, as Marquez has never had to ride any bike which isn't one of the best in the field. On a well sorted bike, Marquez wins. IMO overall, I would probably rate them about equal.
On a bike which is difficult to ride, I say Stoners wins, as Marquez has never had to ride any bike which isn't one of the best in the field. On a well sorted bike, Marquez wins. IMO overall, I would probably rate them about equal.
easy answer: it has to be Marquez.
all you need to do is compare the two riders with their common teammate Pedrosa, who in 2011-2012 managed to finish ahead of CS 16 times, but beated MM only 9 times in 2013-2014 (and let's not forget that he was an inexperienced rookie then...)
all you need to do is compare the two riders with their common teammate Pedrosa, who in 2011-2012 managed to finish ahead of CS 16 times, but beated MM only 9 times in 2013-2014 (and let's not forget that he was an inexperienced rookie then...)
can't say MM is the best ever until he ride another bike that is not a class of the field Honda... and don't compare Pedrosa using the same bike since pedrosa is well just... pedrosa...
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Hailwood is the best of all time casey and Marquez are not even in the same league
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i would have to go with marquez but it would be great to watch them battle all season. marquez is another world
I could bet he's moved back to Ducati to get one or 2 wild cards and beat Marquez hands down in 2016. That said. depending on his mood swings and the results he would attain from those countable wildcards, maybe, just maybe he could come back just one more time and take one more championship on a Duc. Now what a feat that would be. My mouth waters just imagining it....Stoner taking it on a Ducati one more time!
Thought I would leave this here,
Then make my point. In stoner's book, "Pushing the limits", he says this...James Strong puts it better than I can: ‘A good start leading to a prominent position near the front of the field is very important. Being caught up in the back of the pack battling to pass bike after bike, trying to avoid being left too far behind the leaders is a big disadvantage. It saps energy, often causes excessive tyre wear, and slows even the fast riders as they are forced to take calculated risks to make their way up towards the leaders.
‘So position on the grid is important to being able to start efficiently and try to get away cleanly. Racetracks always begin with a straight, which obviously varies in length from track to track, but all of the bikes arrive soon after a period of extreme acceleration from the start into turn one, usually in close formation, still jockeying for position.’
Who says Stoner doesn't like to battle? He often battled with other riders in the 125 and 250 classes, he won several head to head battles in the MotoGP class, not necessarily for the lead but he did dish it out when he had to. The reason why he won so many races with a comfortable gap behind him was less to do with him not wanting a scrap and more to do with the other riders not being good enough to hang with him.
People seem to have forgotten one Valentino Rossi's foray on the Ducati in the years 2011-2012.
Stoner's reputation for supposedly not liking to battle is based on his years on the Ducati, which just wouldn't turn as Valentino Rossi quickly discovered, and on most available evidence other contemporary riders wouldn't have got the thing within a second of his lap times, and certainly not in a position to battle let alone ahead of battles with the leading riders. Carlo Pernat, Loris Capirossi's manager said it all in 2011 when the character of the bike became apparent to everyone with Rossi riding it, that the previous criticism of Stoner's riding could more properly be directed at the Ducati bike he had been riding.
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Stoner IMO appears to have a better mechanical understanding of engines, transmission & suspensions. If we are to believe that the 2015 RCV was based on feed back provided by Marc. Then advantage Stoner. That is if they are riding a bike they develop for their respective team. Put hem both on the same bike develop elsewhere. Flip a coin.
