Marc Marquez versus Casey Stoner

So if MM and CS had to do it on a Ducati? I think just by that notion alone Stoner would wipe the floor with his butt. If we are talking the Honda, I still have to say it is Stoner. MM is overrated, let him go to a SAT team like he should have before they changed the rules for Honda, again, and let's see how great he really is.

ROCKGOD01 said:

So if MM and CS had to do it on a Ducati? I think just by that notion alone Stoner would wipe the floor with his butt. If we are talking the Honda, I still have to say it is Stoner. MM is overrated, let him go to a SAT team like he should have before they changed the rules for Honda, again, and let's see how great he really is.

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How is he overrated? He won the World Championship on the Honda in his rookie season in MotoGP. Name me the last person who did the same? Not to mention this year he is wiping the floor with everyone this season, breaking record after record. If you want to say it's because of his "bike"... Pedrosa has been on the same machine for how long? Years... and has not even won 1 WC. Pedrosa is far from being a horrible rider (actually called an "Alien" around here). Casey Stoner was incredibly fast, but IMO wouldn't handle Marquez. Marc is a fighter, loves to get dirty when he needs too, Stoner on the other hand, moaned and was a head case most of the time. Do you really believe that MM on a SAT team would not shine? Obviously he wouldn't be competing for the WC, since at this level you need the whole package, but podiums would be common. For Christ Sake Bautista got a podium in Le Mans, but Marquez wouldn't right? LOL... c'mon.

Is Stoner still testing for Honda?

I believe he ended his duties at the end of last year

2007 Casey vs 2014 MM, both on Ducati: Stoner hands down.

As to the "flustered" comment...
Catalunya 2007 anybody??
That whole season was an absolute classic and no HR style equipment gap.

ROCKGOD01 said:

So if MM and CS had to do it on a Ducati? I think just by that notion alone Stoner would wipe the floor with his butt. If we are talking the Honda, I still have to say it is Stoner. MM is overrated, let him go to a SAT team like he should have before they changed the rules for Honda, again, and let's see how great he really is.

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How exactly does him not going to a Sat team make him overrated. All that would have done is undervalued his talents and robbed us of records that were being protected by a silly ... rule. That silly ... rule never affected 1 rider in its existence, i sure am glad it didnt last year either.

I don't know ......

I feel Stoner is ...... was more talented

but also more ..... perflikerty .......

Marquez is more consistent .....

he's always on fire.......

but when Stoner was on fire ...... it was a hotter fire .....


I still don't know ...... and wont venture a guess yet.



Though I do think the current Lorenzo is a lemon ...... as Rossi has always been ......... and dare I say this .......... Pedrosa has seen his peak ...... though barely imperceptible ....


I still could decide.


It would have been good ........ and could still be good if he came back ......

With Casey in his prime against MM as he currently is I think it's too close to call - nah, only kidding I reckon Moaner would just shade it. Of course you have to bear in mind that MM is going to keep on improving for a few more years yet!

BarryMachine said:

Though I do think the current Lorenzo is a lemon ...... as Rossi has always been .........

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Please define Lemon in that context. Thanks

MM would have beat him simply because CS couldn't ride angry, he would have been bitching and moaning about MMs riding just like Jlo was last year. The kid doesn't get angry and flustered the way CS used to get.

hawkdriver said:

MM would have beat him simply because CS couldn't ride angry, he would have been bitching and moaning about MMs riding just like Jlo was last year. The kid doesn't get angry and flustered the way CS used to get.

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Good point, given the appalling state of his circumstances, it's amazing that MM can hold his composure. [emoji57]

Both on honda Marquez will win easy and Both on Ducati Stoner will easy IMO!

hawkdriver said:

MM would have beat him simply because CS couldn't ride angry, he would have been bitching and moaning about MMs riding just like Jlo was last year. The kid doesn't get angry and flustered the way CS used to get.

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But Stoner rode his best when angry ........ It was when he wasn't "into it" he was not unbeatable.

Asked to compare Marquez with retired two-time MotoGP World Champion Casey Stoner, HRC VP Shuhei Nakamoto said, ?I think Casey is better. His sliding control was very good. But Marc is very quick.?

ASKED TO COMPARE MARQUEZ WITH RETIRED TWO-TIME MOTOGP WORLD CHAMPION CASEY STONER, HRC VP SHUHEI NAKAMOTO SAID, “I THINK CASEY IS BETTER. HIS SLIDING CONTROL WAS VERY GOOD. BUT MARC IS VERY QUICK.”

hachiroku said:

Asked to compare Marquez with retired two-time MotoGP World Champion Casey Stoner, HRC VP Shuhei Nakamoto said, ?I think Casey is better. His sliding control was very good. But Marc is very quick.?

ASKED TO COMPARE MARQUEZ WITH RETIRED TWO-TIME MOTOGP WORLD CHAMPION CASEY STONER, HRC VP SHUHEI NAKAMOTO SAID, “I THINK CASEY IS BETTER. HIS SLIDING CONTROL WAS VERY GOOD. BUT MARC IS VERY QUICK.”

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That was October of last year, i wonder what he is thinking now.

Marquez of late...

Marquez vs. Casey Stoner? If Marquez can win on a Ducati (a bike even Valentino Rossi couldn't tame) then I will say he is better than Stoner.

....hum motogp did every thing possible to slow Stoner
down.Thats no big secret.If he was to come back it would I
Believe would only to win.That said Casey breaks later,less lean angle=
More throttle modulation= higher corner speed and because he stands the bike
With less angle he can pull the trigger sooner hence faster down the straights.
Mark more lean angle with all its negative effects.he has had great support
he is a great rider.On the same bike Casey can put the bike were no one
Else ever could.

IMO, to close to call as both have strengths and weaknesses when compared against the other, plus we are talking different eras of tyre and technological development.

For mine, Stoner was what Marquez is today, blindingly quick, exceptionally skilled and a man intent on pushing the limits to their maximum.

Stoner was extraordinary in his bike control and as many learnt later is his career he was a user of the absolute minimum electronics (traction control etc) which means that his throttle control and feel for the bike are amongst the rarest of the rare. Suppo and others have told stories of Stoner's innate ability to know what to do and when in terms of practice, plus the feel that something was not right with the bike. He was a freak in so many ways, and that is before we talk of the style on the bike

Marquez is for me the modern Stoner in terms of his raw speed but he is unlike Stoner in that he uses higher lean angles and at times seems more 'out of control' (no criticism) but is obviously very in control. He is able to do things on a bike that make your jaw hit the ground, he has the bike more out of shape than a chocolate bar in summer, he is a spectators' delight in so many ways.

To me, the decisive factor would be tyres and era in which you compare as like all things, these move on and therefore make comparison impossible to decide who would beat who.

Gaz said:

IMO, to close to call as both have strengths and weaknesses when compared against the other, plus we are talking different eras of tyre and technological development.

For mine, Stoner was what Marquez is today, blindingly quick, exceptionally skilled and a man intent on pushing the limits to their maximum.

Stoner was extraordinary in his bike control and as many learnt later is his career he was a user of the absolute minimum electronics (traction control etc) which means that his throttle control and feel for the bike are amongst the rarest of the rare. Suppo and others have told stories of Stoner's innate ability to know what to do and when in terms of practice, plus the feel that something was not right with the bike. He was a freak in so many ways, and that is before we talk of the style on the bike

Marquez is for me the modern Stoner in terms of his raw speed but he is unlike Stoner in that he uses higher lean angles and at times seems more 'out of control' (no criticism) but is obviously very in control. He is able to do things on a bike that make your jaw hit the ground, he has the bike more out of shape than a chocolate bar in summer, he is a spectators' delight in so many ways.

To me, the decisive factor would be tyres and era in which you compare as like all things, these move on and therefore make comparison impossible to decide who would beat who.

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We are so lucky to witness an era where there are a lot of the riders who are considered all time greats competing against each other. If we could only get Stoner back on the grid, we would have 4 of the top 10 to have ever played the game . In my mind, Stoner is the best who ever threw a leg over a bike. What he accomplished on the Ducati is nothing short of a miracle, then when fitted with a proper bike showed how dominant he could be.