Lorenzo to Ducati!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Aug 20 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati have an option on keeping Hayden & that has to be taken up on or before 1st september 2009.

Ah so, Ducati do have a get out clause then, interesting.

Everyone is talking about Lorenzo but WTF is Ducati thinking. If they chose Lorenzo over Stoner that would be the dumbest move that they ever made. That is of course if they don't have insider info on Stoner. If they know Stoner isn't coming back then it would be a good move but the latest reports have Stoner coming back to the grid. Ducati would be tossing away their championship winning formula on a gamble.

If Lorenzo would win the championship on the Ducati that would be the ultimate slap in the face to a lot of riders, including Rossi. If he could pull it off that would be one of the greatest GP feats ever IMO.

There is a lot to gain and a lot to lose by all parties involved.

Would Lorenzo and Stoner work as team mates? Who will be #1 rider? So does this mean stoner or hayden is out? Lorenzo signing to ducati, what a "silly season" this has been.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 20 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everyone is talking about Lorenzo but WTF is Ducati thinking. If they chose Lorenzo over Stoner that would be the dumbest move that they ever made. That is of course if they don't have insider info on Stoner. If they know Stoner isn't coming back then it would be a good move but the latest reports have Stoner coming back to the grid. Ducati would be tossing away their championship winning formula on a gamble.

If Lorenzo would win the championship on the Ducati that would be the ultimate slap in the face to a lot of riders, including Rossi. If he could pull it off that would be one of the greatest GP feats ever IMO.

There is a lot to gain and a lot to lose by all parties involved.

If i understand it right Ducati are choosing Lorenzo over Hayden with the 2010 line up being Stoner and Lorenzo. I think they have realised without Stoner they are rubbish and are bring in Lorenzo in case anything happens with the Stoner issue makes you think that he is more ill than they are making us believe. I think that if Lorenzo moves to ducati on this 2 year contact which hasn't got the same thing about the second year that Hayden's does then he could be saying goodbye to his career if he experinces the same problems as all the other riders have. A lot to gain and lose like you say...

Can't see Stoner taking a number 2 at Duc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Aug 20 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would Lorenzo and Stoner work as team mates? Who will be #1 rider? So does this mean stoner or hayden is out? Lorenzo signing to ducati, what a "silly season" this has been.

I say Stoner he has won a championship with them and has more experience. Which would question why Lorenzo would make the move coughs money! coughs

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 20 2009, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/2768/has...d-ducatis-offer

The website also has links to the spanish sites but as i don't read spanish i don't actually know what it says and if it gives anymore info!

Yup if it is true Rossi will win again next year and have 10 world championships which is a nice number to retire on i think. Saying that if Hayden swaps seats with Lorenzo then he could be up with the top guys again and give him a good run for his money a little too much wishful thinking eh.
No Hayden is a proven #2. He doesnt hav the clout to demand anything, even when he brings home a title. Hes the perfect teammate to anybody needing to be #1. Sadly.

Bonnie, hes got a one year deal, with option for two--at Ducati's leisure.

Thanks for link.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo llega a un principio de acuerdo con Ducati

EMILIO PÉREZ DE ROZAS
BARCELONA
Jorge Lorenzo, segundo del Mundial de MotoGP, rookie del 2008 y auténtico animador de la categoría reina ha decidido abandonar Yamaha y aceptar la oferta de Ducati para convertirse en el compañero de Casey Stoner en el 2010.
Livio Suppo, jefe de Ducati, estuvo en Barcelona, el pasado martes, antes de partir de vacaciones hacia EEUU en compañía de su esposa e hija . Suppo mejoró la oferta económica de Ducati y Lorenzo aceptó el reto de intentar domesticar la potente Desmosedici.
La decisión de Lorenzo deja sin capacidad de maniobra a Dani Pedrosa, que no tendrá más remedio que renovar con Honda, ya que tiene cerradas las puertas de Ducati (Stoner-Lorenzo) y Yamaha, pues el próximo compañero de Rossi será Nicky Hayden.
Pramac, el equipo satélite de Ducati, anunció ayer que el catalán Aleix Espargaró correrá los dos próximos grandes premios (Indianápolis y Misano) con una de sus Ducati Desmosedici. LINK

Here is translation of highlights:

Title: Lorenzo reaches a principle agreement with Ducati

Lorenzo has decided to abandon Yamaha and accept the offer by Ducati to align himself as teammate to Casey Stoner in 2010.



Other highlighted sentence: as for Yamaha, it follows that the next teammate of Rossi will be Nicky Hayden.


HOLY .... IF this is true.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Aug 20 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, and that will give him 8 championships in a row, another Aggo record under threat!
Huh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No Hayden is a proven #2. He doesnt hav the clout to demand anything, even when he brings home a title. Hes the perfect teammate to anybody needing to be #1. Sadly.

Bonnie, hes got a one year deal, with option for two--at Ducati's leisure.

Thanks for link.



Here is translation of highlights:

Title: Lorenzo reaches a principle agreement with Ducati

Lorenzo has decided to abandon Yamaha and accept the offer by Ducati to align himself as teammate to Casey Stoner in 2010.



Other highlighted sentence: as for Yamaha, it follows that the next teammate of Rossi will be Nicky Hayden.


HOLY .... IF this is true.

Thanks for the translation. How brilliant would that be?! I think this sounds a little too good to be true. I read from another site well forum actually that Ducati would be announcing Lorenzo at Indy but that is just word of mouth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 20 2009, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for the translation. How brilliant would that be?! I think this sounds a little too good to be true. I read from another site well forum actually that Ducati would be announcing Lorenzo at Indy but that is just word of mouth.
Well it would not be a great place to announce you just sacked Nicky. Indy is spitting distance from Kentucky. But then again, ending the nightmare at Ducati might be a welcomed relief. Even if its back to Colin duties for another American next to Rossi.

Indy is the last race before the 1st September (The day Ducati decide on keeping Hayden or not) so it would make sense for them to announce it then. Sacking a rider on their home circuit though, ouch. That would not be very clever also considering how many bikes Hayden sells in the states. Unless when they announce they have signed Lorenzo Yamaha say they have signed Hayden. The website does imply that Hayden and Yamaha have been talking...

To go for what is essentially a big (race winning at the least) name like Lorenzo, my feeling is that Stoner is out. I don't believe that Jorge will take anything but top billing anywhere else. & I can't imagine his reaction to ending up in the same position as Capirossi, Melandri & Trick Daddy.

The smart money has always been to stay where he was.

The smart money is Yamaha
The more money is Ducati

How can Ducati get out of there contact with Stoner thou? Just say he is too ill?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 20 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can Ducati get out of there contact with Stoner thou? Just say he is too ill?It would depend I think on his feeling, I wouldn't say they would just dump him. Ducati can work in mysterious ways at times though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Aug 20 2009, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't see Stoner taking a number 2 at Duc.

On my twitter account i have the "editior of motogpmatters.com" and he said to someone that as a part of the deal Lorenzo would be #1 rider and Stoner would be #2. Wouldn't Stoner of had in his contact that he would be #1 rider? He also said JT is signing to ten kate and Hayden to Yamaha...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well it would not be a great place to announce you just sacked Nicky. Indy is spitting distance from Kentucky. But then again, ending the nightmare at Ducati might be a welcomed relief. Even if its back to Colin duties for another American next to Rossi.If Yamaha signs Hayden, what better place to announce it? With the rookie rule in place for next season (and assuming lorenzo takes the seat Hayden currently has and Hayden isn't renewed), the choice is between Hayden, promoting Edwards, trying to poach someone from Repsol (unlikely), Chris V(rumored to tenKate though), or a retread or flier on someone with GP experience. They pobably want a young up and comer somewhere within their tree of riders, but that would have to be a Tech3 seat, as the "hot" youngsters are mostly accounted for. Spies there maybe? It'd be an awful lot of american superbikers in one lineup, assuming CEII stays. Hayden + Spies might put him out on demographics, if Yamaha goes in that direction? There doesn't look to be an obvious choice out of 250s for the "up and coming" tech3 seat - the top guys have already signed, other than Aoyama.

Seems like an awful lot of superbike riders in the upper tier of question marks, and an awful lot of question mark yamaha seats.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 20 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On my twitter account i have the "editior of motogpmatters.com" and he said to someone that as a part of the deal Lorenzo would be #1 rider and Stoner would be #2. Wouldn't Stoner of had in his contact that he would be #1 rider? He also said JT is signing to ten kate and Hayden to Yamaha...
I seriously doubt Ducati would put Stoner as a #2. I seriously doubt, after Stoner winning their first and only title that they would put him on the back burner. Then again, Honda did it, eh. Ducati have way more respect than for this to happen.

As far as Nicky, this is also very intriguing. Just a far fetched question, but could they consider having three superbike American's employed at some point in their future? Ah, that’s just Fing crazy talk by me. Carry on boys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I seriously doubt Ducati would put Stoner as a #2. I seriously doubt, after Stoner winning their first and only title that they would put him on the back burner. Then again, Honda did it, eh. Ducati have way more respect than for this to happen.They could write more assurances of #1 treatment into Lorenzo's contract, but still give Stoner #1 treatment as well as long as he's fit to race. With Stoner taking time off mid-season, they're going to be a lot more aggressive and he's got to understand and accept that. If he comes back and is fast, he'll get #1 treatment, but for better or worse, taking time off with a health issue mid-season at the very least opens up the possibility that someone else would be declared #1 (as Capirossi presumably was pre-2007).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Nicky, this is also very intriguing. Just a far fetched question, but could they consider having three superbike American's employed at some point in their future? Ah, that’s just Fing crazy talk by me. Carry on boys.It's tough not to entertain that idea, with the top sat rider in the series, their top rookie prospect, and Hayden all having that background. Hayden + Edwards on the same make seems like a strange possibility to me, though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Nicky, this is also very intriguing. Just a far fetched question, but could they consider having three superbike American's employed at some point in their future? Ah, that’s just Fing crazy talk by me. Carry on boys.
<u>Fiat yamaha</u>
Valenitno Rossi
Nicky Hayden

<u>Tech 3 Yamaha</u>
Colin Edwards
Ben Spies

Better than any dream I have ever had. I'll get a yamaha tat on my ... for this to come true.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Nicky, this is also very intriguing. Just a far fetched question, but could they consider having three superbike American's employed at some point in their future? Ah, that’s just Fing crazy talk by me. Carry on boys.
I think they'd give him a 3rd Desmo in GP's before they'd send him to WSBK. Pramac could easily be turned into a one rider outfit.