Lorenzo to Ducati!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Aug 19 2009, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is no way they have offered Lorenzo GBP 13.0 over two years when Lorenzo has not riden the bike, and is completely unproven.
Ducati have surely learnt their lesson from MM.
Ducati will not pay Lorenzo that much, and put him in the team as No. 1 until he has proven to be faster than CS.
What does it matter when Marlboro is footing the bill? All Ducati have to do is put up with the circus that will consume Stoner and Lorenzo for 2010. It's really win-win for them as far as pay goes, they will now only have to pay Stoner's wages. Hayden's marketing is valuable but Lorenzo's global fan base is more important to Marlboro.
Ducati have surely learnt their lesson from MM.
Ducati will not pay Lorenzo that much, and put him in the team as No. 1 until he has proven to be faster than CS.
What does it matter when Marlboro is footing the bill? All Ducati have to do is put up with the circus that will consume Stoner and Lorenzo for 2010. It's really win-win for them as far as pay goes, they will now only have to pay Stoner's wages. Hayden's marketing is valuable but Lorenzo's global fan base is more important to Marlboro.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 19 2009, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently Ducati is in Barcelona talking with Lorenzo's management right now.
Wow!! Where are you getting the real time updates?
Wow!! Where are you getting the real time updates?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 19 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo's global fan base
Really?
And Sack, I got the update from GPone.com
Really?
And Sack, I got the update from GPone.com
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 19 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really?
I'd say he's got a pretty global appeal. He's charismatic and came up in the GP ranks, his name's been around a while. Both to fans and sponsors involved with the series. Just my assessment of his marketability.
I'd say he's got a pretty global appeal. He's charismatic and came up in the GP ranks, his name's been around a while. Both to fans and sponsors involved with the series. Just my assessment of his marketability.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 19 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say he's got a pretty global appeal. He's charismatic and came up in the GP ranks, his name's been around a while. Both to fans and sponsors involved with the series. Just my assessment of his marketability.
Definitely, particularly sponsors.
He's also ditched that prick Amatrian, which coincided with his recent coming of age.
Definitely, particularly sponsors.
He's also ditched that prick Amatrian, which coincided with his recent coming of age.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 18 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oohh, while we are playing hypotheticals I figure why not throw some conspiracy theory, mixed with pure ... guesswork into the mix. So first, the conspiracy.
It has long been said that VR vetoed Yamaha offering Stoner the #2 seat back in the 990cc days (numerous stories suggested that Nurgess wanted CS but vetoed by VR). Yes Yamaha have said that CS wanted to much money but was was subsequently shown with CS remuneration this looks unlikely so the rumour/story may well be true. So why do we believe that Yamaha genuinely want to keep Jorge?
Could the fact that VR is being challenged by a rider on the same machine be playing a part in Yamaha not making Jorge as 'welcome' offers as they would a rider who is not going to challenge VR for the title (ie. CEii)?
On other words, could VR himself be pulling a power play?
Lets be honest, according to many he is that powerful given what he 'brings' to the sport in terms of dollars, support etc and has been shown to get his way (ie. Bridgestone). So, could we be assuming that JL wants to leave when in fact he may well find himself being 'managed out'?
Now, many will say that wheer does this leave Yamaha as JL is the likely heir apparent but if VR has committed to longer term (ie. ends career 2011/2012) then there is plenty of time for Yamaha to groom a number 2 and subsequent heir apparent, or simply buy one at a later point.
The obvious expectation is that Yamaha already have Spies who could do far worse than learn in a satellite team (ie. tech3) for one year, then graduate to the factory team for further year or so all the time under the tutelage of someone like VR. If Yamah find Spies does not work or does not fit their desired plan they could always buy one of the current 250cc riders who by then woudl have proved themselves and gone some way towards building their own brand and reputation.
Total hypothetical abd fully made up, but then so seems a lot of stuff now.
As for the Hayden talk, I reckon that if JL goes to Ducati Hayden has to leave if he has the option simply because JL is a massive ego and Hayden will not get the level of treatment or dedication that he appears to receive with CS as the team-mate. Personally I cannot see JL accepting anything less than outright #1 within the team and as such cannot see him working with Stoner (which given the Marlboro talk would mean the factory team).
Additionally as mentioned earlier, the fact that Ducati seem to be offering twice (or thereabouts) Stoner's salary is a slap in the face somewhat for Stoner and one would not expect him to be happy with that or with a #2 or less place in the team. Methinks that if JL goes to Ducati it will make for one unhappy garage.
Conspiracy off.
Gaz
Let see Gaz, Phillip Morris pays Ducati’s bills (As much as Repsol to HRC)… Phillip Morris seeks the best image for marketing and it seems they are not happy with (a sick man) Stoner’s image or his marketing outside the races. Perhaps Lorenzo’s sort of charisma is playing big time here!
http://www.marca.com/2009/08/18/motor/mund...1250592868.html
(Sorry it is in Spanich, but they get a lot of news, a translator can be use, but they tend not to put all correctly).
Also Espargaró will race with Pramac next week…
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 17 2009, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good point Sack,didn`t the commentary team say that Bautista has to pay for the damage after that `wheelie` (read WALLY) moment?Is that true?
Alvaro BAUTISTA Crash…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyzcYIpVSWU
It has long been said that VR vetoed Yamaha offering Stoner the #2 seat back in the 990cc days (numerous stories suggested that Nurgess wanted CS but vetoed by VR). Yes Yamaha have said that CS wanted to much money but was was subsequently shown with CS remuneration this looks unlikely so the rumour/story may well be true. So why do we believe that Yamaha genuinely want to keep Jorge?
Could the fact that VR is being challenged by a rider on the same machine be playing a part in Yamaha not making Jorge as 'welcome' offers as they would a rider who is not going to challenge VR for the title (ie. CEii)?
On other words, could VR himself be pulling a power play?
Lets be honest, according to many he is that powerful given what he 'brings' to the sport in terms of dollars, support etc and has been shown to get his way (ie. Bridgestone). So, could we be assuming that JL wants to leave when in fact he may well find himself being 'managed out'?
Now, many will say that wheer does this leave Yamaha as JL is the likely heir apparent but if VR has committed to longer term (ie. ends career 2011/2012) then there is plenty of time for Yamaha to groom a number 2 and subsequent heir apparent, or simply buy one at a later point.
The obvious expectation is that Yamaha already have Spies who could do far worse than learn in a satellite team (ie. tech3) for one year, then graduate to the factory team for further year or so all the time under the tutelage of someone like VR. If Yamah find Spies does not work or does not fit their desired plan they could always buy one of the current 250cc riders who by then woudl have proved themselves and gone some way towards building their own brand and reputation.
Total hypothetical abd fully made up, but then so seems a lot of stuff now.
As for the Hayden talk, I reckon that if JL goes to Ducati Hayden has to leave if he has the option simply because JL is a massive ego and Hayden will not get the level of treatment or dedication that he appears to receive with CS as the team-mate. Personally I cannot see JL accepting anything less than outright #1 within the team and as such cannot see him working with Stoner (which given the Marlboro talk would mean the factory team).
Additionally as mentioned earlier, the fact that Ducati seem to be offering twice (or thereabouts) Stoner's salary is a slap in the face somewhat for Stoner and one would not expect him to be happy with that or with a #2 or less place in the team. Methinks that if JL goes to Ducati it will make for one unhappy garage.
Conspiracy off.
Gaz
Let see Gaz, Phillip Morris pays Ducati’s bills (As much as Repsol to HRC)… Phillip Morris seeks the best image for marketing and it seems they are not happy with (a sick man) Stoner’s image or his marketing outside the races. Perhaps Lorenzo’s sort of charisma is playing big time here!
http://www.marca.com/2009/08/18/motor/mund...1250592868.html
(Sorry it is in Spanich, but they get a lot of news, a translator can be use, but they tend not to put all correctly).
Also Espargaró will race with Pramac next week…
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 17 2009, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good point Sack,didn`t the commentary team say that Bautista has to pay for the damage after that `wheelie` (read WALLY) moment?Is that true?
Alvaro BAUTISTA Crash…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyzcYIpVSWU
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 20 2009, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let see Gaz, Phillip Morris pays Ducati’s bills (As much as Repsol to HRC)… Phillip Morris seeks the best image for marketing and it seems they are not happy with (a sick man) Stoner’s image or his marketing outside the races. Perhaps Lorenzo’s sort of charisma is playing big time here!
Not sure where or why you needed to quote my whole post but I don't disagree with you here either (as much as I tend to
).
Facts are that as a sponsor you want Return on Investment (ROI) and Lorenzo provides that by simply being in the press and media to a wider audience (Stoner being more Australian/NewZealand media). Basically, Lorenze opens up PM to a larger market and would naturally be seen as an attractive option.
Gaz
Not sure where or why you needed to quote my whole post but I don't disagree with you here either (as much as I tend to
Facts are that as a sponsor you want Return on Investment (ROI) and Lorenzo provides that by simply being in the press and media to a wider audience (Stoner being more Australian/NewZealand media). Basically, Lorenze opens up PM to a larger market and would naturally be seen as an attractive option.
Gaz
http://www.motogpmatters.com/
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Aug 20 2009, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.motogpmatters.com/
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
damn this is crazy...i honestly thought he would never leave and now its almost official
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
damn this is crazy...i honestly thought he would never leave and now its almost official
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Aug 20 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.motogpmatters.com/
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
Umm, well as much as it is likely to be correct the headline says It's Done: Lorenzo Signs For Ducati - Probably which to me does not mean official.Until such time as press releases from Lorenzo or his management, Yamaha or Ducati are released there is no official confirmation only speculation which me be well informed, but speculation none the less
Gaz
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
Umm, well as much as it is likely to be correct the headline says It's Done: Lorenzo Signs For Ducati - Probably which to me does not mean official.Until such time as press releases from Lorenzo or his management, Yamaha or Ducati are released there is no official confirmation only speculation which me be well informed, but speculation none the less
Gaz
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.motogpmatters.com/
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
whats up with the probably?
It is official. Lorenzo signed with Ducati.
I was right that he was using Yam to leverage more money from other manufactures.
The ego and greed win over the best bike. He is now the official spokesman for Tabacco
whats up with the probably?
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This is hard to believe
It's not called the silly season for nothing...
So, who is Lorenzo replacing, Hayden or Stoner?
So, who is Lorenzo replacing, Hayden or Stoner?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Aug 20 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, who is Lorenzo replacing, Hayden or Stoner?
i hope they replace stoner, and stoner goes to yam. then we can see ALL 5 riders on the ducati make up the rear.
i hope they replace stoner, and stoner goes to yam. then we can see ALL 5 riders on the ducati make up the rear.
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/2768/has...d-ducatis-offer
The other media is reporting too.
Can Nicky end up at Fiat Yam? It will be the nicest gift from Jorhe.
The other media is reporting too.
Can Nicky end up at Fiat Yam? It will be the nicest gift from Jorhe.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Aug 20 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is hard to believe
It's not called the silly season for nothing...
So, who is Lorenzo replacing, Hayden or Stoner?
I had presumed it was Stoner, because I think his contracts up at the end of this season, but who knows.....this is by far the
silly season I've ever known!
So, who is Lorenzo replacing, Hayden or Stoner?
I had presumed it was Stoner, because I think his contracts up at the end of this season, but who knows.....this is by far the
If all of this is true I guess a tobacco company being ruthless is hardly a surprise.
I think ducati have a basic problem currently in that they are an italian company with a main corporate aim of beating an absolute italian national hero. I suspect in the unlikely event lorenzo beats rossi on a ducati it may diminish his popularity somewhat, but he obviously has better media skills and a much wider base of personal support than stoner as has been said by many on recent threads.
I think ducati have a basic problem currently in that they are an italian company with a main corporate aim of beating an absolute italian national hero. I suspect in the unlikely event lorenzo beats rossi on a ducati it may diminish his popularity somewhat, but he obviously has better media skills and a much wider base of personal support than stoner as has been said by many on recent threads.
I did actually say prior to all this that ducati was an option for lorenzo, admittedly not absolutely seriously.
One thing casey's win in 2007 did show was that motogp was still a real sport, a win by an uncharismatic rider from a place far removed from the heartland of the sport being not really to the benefit commercial or otherwise of many of the major players, and it seems to be emerging not necessarily all that good for him either.
One thing casey's win in 2007 did show was that motogp was still a real sport, a win by an uncharismatic rider from a place far removed from the heartland of the sport being not really to the benefit commercial or otherwise of many of the major players, and it seems to be emerging not necessarily all that good for him either.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 19 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let see Gaz, Phillip Morris pays Ducati’s bills (As much as Repsol to HRC)… Phillip Morris seeks the best image for marketing and it seems they are not happy with (a sick man) Stoner’s image or his marketing outside the races. Perhaps Lorenzo’s sort of charisma is playing big time here!
They weren't to happy with the Marlboro man when he got lung cancer. I would hate to say it, but if casey has cancer(god forbid this to be true) Phillip Morris wouldn't touch him with a 10ft. pole. But they might give him 13 mil also to shut up and go away.
They weren't to happy with the Marlboro man when he got lung cancer. I would hate to say it, but if casey has cancer(god forbid this to be true) Phillip Morris wouldn't touch him with a 10ft. pole. But they might give him 13 mil also to shut up and go away.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 20 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They weren't to happy with the Marlboro man when he got lung cancer. I would hate to say it, but if casey has cancer(god forbid this to be true) Phillip Morris wouldn't touch him with a 10ft. pole. But they might give him 13 mil also to shut up and go away.
Being sponsored by a tobacco company is in all cases a dance with the devil, not that I took any stance on this when things were going well with stoner and ducati
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Being sponsored by a tobacco company is in all cases a dance with the devil, not that I took any stance on this when things were going well with stoner and ducati
