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Lorenzo sign with HRC

Mir being more likely than Jorge to upstage MM. Yes, very likely.

It is hard for you I know, the choice of whom to hate the most between MM and Jorge, both who have made your boy look less than good in his bike racing dotage, must be a difficult one.
In all fairness, Mike, you quoted Holypuck there and he is fully paid-up Marc fan and has said as much openly on the forum.
 
Apologies if you saw it that way, it wasn't meant as a dig. More that I know you are a strong Dovi fan and not so much of Lorenzo. I am the other way, but we all have a bias.

No worries. In my defense, I have been impressed with Dovi since before his maiden Ducati win. Granted there wasn't a lot to cheer about since his maiden Honda win.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
In all fairness, Mike, you quoted Holypuck there and he is fully paid-up Marc fan and has said as much openly on the forum.

Sure I didn't quote accurately, I guess I should never post on the forum again.

It is rather beside the point, Synn knew I was referring to his post which Holypuck quoted, and acknowledged this. He still can't or won't address the point in question and seeks relief in nitpicking/disputing minutiae, as is the wont of those of his ilk.
 
The drama is all yours. A light-hearted, off-hand ..., hardly a thing to provoke such storm and drang. You take yourself WAY too seriously.
See if you can walk away without a 500 word diatribe.:type:
We're not friends, you're simply prone to instigation. You ever heard of the saying, 'don't start nothin there won't be nothin'.

Incidentally, classic Kesh as usual, you back up your provocation with another ... and insult. If you don't want to read me taking you apart then don't start ..... The forum members aren't the only ones tired of derailed threads and long posts dressing you down a notch, I'm tired of it too. Though I'm not opposed to doing it when you give me reason. I've ignored your chickenshit jabs in the past but as of late, I'm not in the mood to give you a pass. Exercise some self-control for once without going full ...... like your boy IamPhony, and responding with some unhinged reaction, saving us 'all' from a back and forth. Run along Kesh

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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Sure I didn't quote accurately, I guess I should never post on the forum again.

It is rather beside the point, Synn knew I was referring to his post which Holypuck quoted, and acknowledged this. He still can't or won't address the point in question and seeks relief in nitpicking/disputing minutiae, as is the wont of those of his ilk.

It’s way more fun to make you squirm and beg me for an answer than to slam it shut with logic.
 
It’s way more fun to make you squirm and beg me for an answer than to slam it shut with logic.

I guess there is always a first time for everything. Can a fish ride a bicycle?.

Don't be a tease, I eagerly await you shutting down this or any topic with logic.
 
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I guess there is always a first time for everything. Can a fish ride a bicycle?.

Don't be a tease, I eagerly await you shutting down this or any topic with logic.

You should ask your good buddy Kurryfart what PTSD feels like.
Don’t use your thesaurus though, his brain can’t yet handle it.
 
I didn't mean it like that for a split second mate. Your posts are always insightful.

They aren't always, but thanks for the compliment anyway. I pretty much always enjoy your posts.

I occasionally tire of agenda driven posts from the likes of Synn ie invariably anti- Lorenzo and anti-MM because of the unforgivable insults they have offered Valentino, ie beating him to world titles, while all the while accusing others of being agenda driven.

I seek merely to explain myself, please make no comment in regard to Synn, you have admirably stuck to racing and avoided the personal while still having forthright opinions in your time on the forum.
 
1.5 years of .... George. One win later, “He will be champion again”!
Let me get back to you if Rossi wins one too.

How many Yamahas did Zarco and Folger ride before they started scoring podiums and points in their debut season?

.... Lorenzo? He was trying to get his head around a new bike which required a different style of riding, had a favoured tyre pulled from him mid last season and was competing against a team mate who'd been riding it for a good few years before he joined.

Given the difficulties that Rossi encountered trying to ride the bike, surely you would agree that the Ducati is a tough package to grasp and hence poor performances might not JUST be down to the rider being ....?

I agree that one race win doesn't mean that Lorenzo has cracked it but at least it demonstrates that he has been trying to progressing the setup of the bike and improve his style, which to me indicates a useful and talented rider.
 
We're not friends, you're simply prone to instigation. You ever heard of the saying, 'don't start nothin there won't be nothin'.

Incidentally, classic Kesh as usual, you back up your provocation with another ... and insult. If you don't want to read me taking you apart then don't start ..... The forum members aren't the only ones tired of derailed threads and long posts dressing you down a notch, I'm tired of it too. Though I'm not opposed to doing it when you give me reason. I've ignored your chickenshit jabs in the past but as of late, I'm not in the mood to give you a pass. Exercise some self-control for once without going full ...... like your boy IamPhony, and responding with some unhinged reaction, saving us 'all' from a back and forth. Run along Kesh

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

Well done. Managed to keep the self-important nonsense to less than 400 words. For you, that is self control.
 
.... Lorenzo? He was trying to get his head around a new bike which required a different style of riding, had a favoured tyre pulled from him mid last season and was competing against a team mate who'd been riding it for a good few years before he joined.

Given the difficulties that Rossi encountered trying to ride the bike, surely you would agree that the Ducati is a tough package to grasp and hence poor performances might not JUST be down to the rider being ....?

I agree that one race win doesn't mean that Lorenzo has cracked it but at least it demonstrates that he has been trying to progressing the setup of the bike and improve his style, which to me indicates a useful and talented rider.

Lorenzo's not ..... His performance was; especially in light of his extravagant salary.
 
Your own post begs the obvious question. So why hire him?

For that matter, why did Ducati hire him? Melandri was not enough, they couldn’t help themselves?

I like you’re post J4, it’s factually correct. Lorenzo will most likely be a flop. But do you ever play chess? In this game you can appear to lose, sacrifice a critical piece or two, then suddenly gain. Lose the battle win the war. Jarvis and Yamaha are losing the war.

In other words, Jarvis is down. Why let Jarvis get a win with Lorenzo on a satelight Yam. Absolute masterful, perfect play from Honda.

Lorenzo is under no pressure deliver .... on a Repsol Honda. If anything, since Marquez was quoted post 2015 saying the Yam was better than the Honda in critical areas when he was following Yamaha’s, well what exactly has Honda got to lose by hiring Lorenzo? As far as Honda is concerned, all their Christmas’s have been delivered at once, as long as Vinales remains ‘confused’, Rossi blames ‘electronics’ and Ducati hired Petrucci to ‘inspire’ Dovi.

Big picture, keep Lorenzo off a damn Yamaha. Honda wins yet another round. In boxing terms it’s getting close to throwing in the towel now for Jarvis.

You have answered the begged question yourself: by hiring Lorenzo, HRC is effectively neutralizing the potential threat that he could have been in 2019 and 2020 on a Yamaha. With Zarco on a KTM, now they have two of the fastest Yamaha riders stuck on very different bikes for two years, not bad.

Plus they keep their young shark happy, feeding him a nice big fish with pedigree to play with. ;)

Postscriptum: forgot to say that the only reason Ducati hired Lorenzo is that Dall'Igna really liked him since their good old Aprilia days. Which is also why Jorge accepted, besides the money.
 
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You have answered the begged question yourself: by hiring Lorenzo, HRC is effectively neutralizing the potential threat that he could have been in 2019 and 2020 on a Yamaha. With Zarco on a KTM, now they have two of the fastest Yamaha riders stuck on very different bikes for two years, not bad.

Plus they keep their young shark happy, feeding him a nice big fish with pedigree to play with. ;)

Postscriptum: forgot to say that the only reason Ducati hired Lorenzo is that Dall'Igna really liked him since their good old Aprilia days. Which is also why Jorge accepted, besides the money.

I mean, I could let this nonsense go on and on but lol. Really...

J.Lo isn’t a ride around the problems guy. He is one of the most fickle ones out there. When everything is exactly his way, he is very, very fast. If not, we’ll you know.

He won a lot on a factory Yamaha with a custom ECU and Bridgestones. If he went back to Yamaha, he would get a stock ECU and Michelins. Plus no factory to make him a special tank or seat unit if he didn’t like what was given to him. And a 2018 M1 that is definitely not setting the world afire.

Honda didn’t neutralize ..... J.Lo’s manager earned a bonus and a meal ticket for another 2 years.
 
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You have answered the begged question yourself: by hiring Lorenzo, HRC is effectively neutralizing the potential threat that he could have been in 2019 and 2020 on a Yamaha. With Zarco on a KTM, now they have two of the fastest Yamaha riders stuck on very different bikes for two years, not bad.

Plus they keep their young shark happy, feeding him a nice big fish with pedigree to play with. ;)

Postscriptum: forgot to say that the only reason Ducati hired Lorenzo is that Dall'Igna really liked him since their good old Aprilia days. Which is also why Jorge accepted, besides the money.
Pretty much everyone on here thought his riding style would not meld with the Ducati. I don't know why Gigi thought it would, perhaps he thought he could help him solve the turning problem which while mitigated still seems intrinsic to the Ducati's DNA; I guess it is possible that Jorge has made some contribution to the bike's overall improvement.
 
I mean, I could let this nonsense go on and on but lol. Really...

J.Lo isn’t a ride around the problems guy. He is one of the most fickle ones out there. When everything is exactly his way, he is very, very fast. If not, we’ll you know.

He won a lot on a factory Yamaha with a custom ECU and Bridgestones. If he went back to Yamaha, he would get a stock ECU and Michelins. Plus no factory to make him a special tank or seat unit if he didn’t like what was given to him. And a 2018 M1 that is definitely not setting the world afire.

Honda didn’t neutralize ..... J.Lo’s manager earned a bonus and a meal ticket for another 2 years.
Again, how is his situation different than Rossi's in 2012?.

The talk was of a Nastro Azzurro Honda like operation with big money from Petronas. All hypothetical, but so are your contentions in regard to him not being suited back on a Yamaha or for HRC, particularly given Yamaha have pretty much returned to the Yamaha chassis of his time and Zarco has straight out said he got good results by emulating Jorge's riding style.
 
I mean, I could let this nonsense go on and on but lol. Really...

J.Lo isn’t a ride around the problems guy. He is one of the most fickle ones out there. When everything is exactly his way, he is very, very fast. If not, we’ll you know.

He won a lot on a factory Yamaha with a custom ECU and Bridgestones. If he went back to Yamaha, he would get a stock ECU and Michelins. Plus no factory to make him a special tank or seat unit if he didn’t like what was given to him. And a 2018 M1 that is definitely not setting the world afire.

Honda didn’t neutralize ..... J.Lo’s manager earned a bonus and a meal ticket for another 2 years.

Ok, I have 5 minutes to waste :rolleyes:. Maybe check 2016 regulations regarding ECU and tires, and Lorenzo's results that year. Then consider that Yamaha will have solved their problem by next year, and they would have surely given Lorenzo their best material. And probably more money than Honda is giving him.

But Jorge made the wrong decision because he's too proud to accept a private team, and Honda played on his pride. An immense pride is Lorenzo's only real problem. Now he'll proudly boast he's happy of being Marquez' teammate, but boy, he shouldn't. Nobody wanted to be there, and there are no ....... in this sport.
 
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Ok, I have 5 minutes to waste :rolleyes:. Maybe check 2016 regulations regarding ECU and tires, and Lorenzo's results that year.

His results in 2016 weren't great and he was comfortably beaten by Rossi.

Great to see you back, btw.
 
The drama is all yours. A light-hearted, off-hand ..., hardly a thing to provoke such storm and drang. You take yourself WAY too seriously.
See if you can walk away without a 500 word diatribe.:type:

Klog, klog, klog.

I almost thought you were starting to behave and that Kancer was in remission, but you've relapsed.
 
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