I think the chances of him beating MM for a title are extremely small barring accident or MM reverting to 2015 MM, but the former is probably why HRC have hired him as a proven championship capable rider, over Pedrosa who did occasionally beat MM in the same bike. Crutchlow did once in a dry race for that matter, and it would seem likely that HRC at least think Jorge is better than both those riders. He also beat Valentino Rossi who at the time was fairly close to being in his pomp on the same bike in his early Yamaha years, and on some week-ends just came up with a better set-up than Rossi, and is a fair chance of achieving a better set-up than MM on occasion imo, particularly if he brings Gabarrini with him, and there will also be the occasional weekend like the one just gone where conditions suit a soft tire, a tire which is favourable for him.
I won’t dispute that ‘infinite pride’ is a fair call, pride is certainly part of his make-up, but he is also as determined and tough as they come, physically and mentally, having come through all the crashes and resultant concussions in his rookie year, ridden in a race 2 days after shattering his clavicle and having said clavicle internally fixed, and having stood up to everything Valentino Rossi could throw at him in 2015 to ride a perfect race at Valencia to win the title.
As far as his style goes, he won’t be coming off 9 years of honing his riding style to an ever purer corner speed style, and trying to adapt to /ride that style on a bike that just won’t turn midcorner.
We shall see anyway, that is why they have the races.
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This is what you do. Most people don't notice it, then when YOU instigate a flame war and people are " inconvenienced" with relentless klogging, we get gutless people chiming in as if provocation was mutual. Your quip above is unprovoked. But that's what you do, don't expect me to ignore it, I've made no pledges. I don’t expect anyone to call you out on your attempt to derail this thread. Have the balls to talk to me directed you feckless ..... This is what you do, underhanded indirect chickenshit provocation. 22 was talking to me, and even though he took a little mild dig with the "AD bandwagon" quip, I ignored it and debated the discussion, however. I have no intention of ignoring your indirect wisecrack directed at me Kancer. Who enjoys the drama? You're aways looking for a way to start some .....
If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Your own post begs the obvious question. So why hire him?
For that matter, why did Ducati hire him? Melandri was not enough, they couldn’t help themselves?
I like you’re post J4, it’s factually correct. Lorenzo will most likely be a flop. But do you ever play chess? In this game you can appear to lose, sacrifice a critical piece or two, then suddenly gain. Lose the battle win the war. Jarvis and Yamaha are losing the war.
In other words, Jarvis is down. Why let Jarvis get a win with Lorenzo on a satelight Yam. Absolute masterful, perfect play from Honda.
Lorenzo is under no pressure deliver .... on a Repsol Honda. If anything, since Marquez was quoted post 2015 saying the Yam was better than the Honda in critical areas when he was following Yamaha’s, well what exactly has Honda got to lose by hiring Lorenzo? As far as Honda is concerned, all their Christmas’s have been delivered at once, as long as Vinales remains ‘confused’, Rossi blames ‘electronics’ and Ducati hired Petrucci to ‘inspire’ Dovi.
Big picture, keep Lorenzo off a damn Yamaha. Honda wins yet another round. In boxing terms it’s getting close to throwing in the towel now for Jarvis.
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Apologies if you saw it that way, it wasn't meant as a dig. More that I know you are a strong Dovi fan and not so much of Lorenzo. I am the other way, but we all have a bias.
Lol, a few days ago Jarvis was throwing a lifeline for George so that he didn’t have to retire.
One Honda contract later, suddenly it’s Honda’s masterstroke against Jarvis.
You lots are funny.
One Honda contract later, suddenly it’s Honda’s masterstroke against Jarvis.
You lots are funny.
So who between Rossi and Vinales is winning the next riders’ title on a Yamaha?. Jorge has won the last 3.
And last time Honda signed a former world champion out of favour at Ducati it didn’t go all that badly for them.
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The drama is all yours. A light-hearted, off-hand ..., hardly a thing to provoke such storm and drang. You take yourself WAY too seriously.
See if you can walk away without a 500 word diatribe.:type:
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For me though, mate, I honestly did not see this HRC signing of Horhay coming. I really did think his only chance for a ride was a satellite Yam.
The thought of it being a tactical signing by Honda purely to keep George off a Yam' hadn't even entered my head. It was only when someone suggested it that it made some sense.
It is more than likely that HRC just signed a multiple world champion and the only person to beat Marc, for a Knockdown price.
You have to admit though, that whilst Vale is 2nd in the championship with some good and hard earned podiums, it is still crazy the amount of races since Yamaha won. There must be some heat on Jarvis right now.
The last time i took an umbrella with me it rained.
Let’s see if it rains each time I take an umbrella with me.
There is no master plan.
Puig hates Dani and was trying whatever he can to get rid of him.
They can’t risk bringing in a young upstart who might upstage Marky Marc. So Mir is out.
Can’t have Crashy in there as he will raise their crash repair bills considerably.
Most others are unavailable or are too slow.
George is fast enough, but not too fast as to threaten Marky Marc on a bike built around the latter, but fast enough to get some podiums and a few wins.
He is available for a (Relative) pittance and he would jump at a factory contract when the alternative is a satellite ride.
But most importantly (Something people here are conveniently forgetting), George signed after LeMans. At that point he hadn’t achieved jack .... on the Ducati.
Master plan my ....
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Please list the ex world champions they have signed from Ducati who haven't been successful.
A side issue to the broader question which you have avoided in any case. Jorge has won the last 3 riders' titles won by a Yamaha rider, including one in which he defeated MM, I don't see Rossi or Vinales winning one this year or in future, and Yamaha don't even have a satellite team next year at this point in time, and any such team they may supply will very likely not be employing any riders who have ridden a Yamaha motogp bike before.
1.5 years of .... George. One win later, “He will be champion again”!
Let me get back to you if Rossi wins one too.
How many Yamahas did Zarco and Folger ride before they started scoring podiums and points in their debut season?
Mir being more likely than Jorge to upstage MM. Yes, very likely.
It is hard for you I know, the choice of whom to hate the most between MM and Jorge, both who have made your boy look less than good in his bike racing dotage, must be a difficult one.
Even Jorge winning a world title riding for HRC is more likely than either current Yamaha rider winning one.
The irony is that Jorge is in a very similar situation to Rossi's at this stage in his own Ducati tenure, except Jorge has actually won a race on a Ducati, rather dominantly actually. There is even less reason to believe Jorge has lost his talent than there was for supposing Valentino had, and I am on the record as saying at the time that Valentino was the best choice for the 2013 Yamaha seat and was unlikely to have lost his talent.
Mitchell is trying so hard to be a competent troll, he doesn’t even realize it’s not me he is quoting.
Stick to what you do best, Mitchell. Sucking. That’s what you’re good at.
Leave the trolling to the pros.
The question which you again avoid is whether Jorge would have been more of a threat on a Yamaha than either of the current Yamaha riders who will be riding Yamahas next year.
I personally think so, he did win the last 3 riders' title as I said, a fact which no sneering posts you might care to make will ever alter, and I agree with Birdman and have previously said myself that it is a good tactical and strategic move by HRC to keep the best Yamaha rider of the last decade from returning to Yamaha.
You really don't have anything other than argumentum ad hominem and avoiding the point in question do you?.
