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Jumkie said:
High Side, did Marquez and Lorenzo get booed when on the podium last year at: Qatar, Argentina, USA, Jerez, Le Mans?

I'll assume your answer is NO. So...what changed?

Did the culture in these countries change in 15 months? Were the "fans" not passionate? Was the competition not as intense? Why aren't other riders getting booed, surely there has got to be fans who don't like other rider?

Did Marquez and Lorenzo get booed at Phillip Island last year?

So...what changed? When did MotoGP change to a footballing atmosphere? And even that is a false analogy, because in football every team gets supporters for and against. Has Rossi been getting overwhelmingly booed?

Your entire rationalization comes apart when you realize MotoGP changed only after Sepang because of ROSSI! And the sole reason was because chickenshit Rossi made false accusations and physically attacked Marquez. Then followed it up by saying Lorenzo was part of the conspiracy to cheat him out of a title. THIS IS THE REASON THEY ARE BOOED! MotoGP has not become a footballing culture, because the disrespect is acutely ONE SIDED!

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False accusations? Physically attacked? You need to get back on the meds stat!
 
wannaride said:
False accusations? Physically attacked? You need to get back on the meds stat!
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Anyone who says or writes stat immediately relieves himself of all credibility for a start.

And what else was VR doing other than making false accusations in raising his lunatic conspiracy theory with absolutely zero evidence in the pre-Sepang press conference(s)?
 
Richy56 said:
You hit the nail on the head. Is cricket it's banter, in MotoGP it's idiots and hate
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Never been to a race where "fans" booed. I will say this... that you can't compare MotoGP to Futbol or Rugby or stultifying Cricket. Nobody's life is on the line in those sports. Motorcycle racers are in a category of their own.

You don't have to be a racer to imagine what it must be like to be coming down to the end of a straight with three or four riders competing to get ahead or pass you inches away, while traveling at 160 MPH - and to be hit with a wave of sound emanating from the stands that expresses pure neanderthal hatred for you, when every mental resource you possess is dedicated to getting through that turn and not getting killed. This .... ain't hacky-sack.

Anyone who's ever ridden a motorcycle at top speed on an open road and been startled by a careless driver or the appearance of a deer by the roadside, a squirrel running across the road or hit (or just nearly missed) by a small bird, knows how terrifying and unnerving it is and just how much loss of concentration can cost you in terms of potential injury from a crash. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic or over dramatic when I say that kind of distraction could potentially do more harm than to merely cause him to lose a position in the race.

And even if the booing only causes a loss of position in a race, I don't believe that the fans should in any way affect the outcome of the sport; but those ........ who live vicariously through the riders they favor like Rossi, are pathetic in that this is ultimately what their intention is.
 
Keshav said:
Never been to a race where "fans" booed. I will say this... that you can't compare MotoGP to Futbol or Rugby or stultifying Cricket. Nobody's life is on the line in those sports. Motorcycle racers are in a category of their own.

You don't have to be a racer to imagine what it must be like to be coming down to the end of a straight with three or four riders competing to get ahead or pass you inches away, while traveling at 160 MPH - and to be hit with a wave of sound emanating from the stands that expresses pure neanderthal hatred for you, when every mental resource you possess is dedicated to getting through that turn and not getting killed. This .... ain't hacky-sack.

Anyone who's ever ridden a motorcycle at top speed on an open road and been startled by a careless driver or the appearance of a deer by the roadside, a squirrel running across the road or hit (or just nearly missed) by a small bird, knows how terrifying and unnerving it is and just how much loss of concentration can cost you in terms of potential injury from a crash. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic or over dramatic when I say that kind of distraction could potentially do more harm than to merely cause him to lose a position in the race.

And even if the booing only causes a loss of position in a race, I don't believe that the fans should in any way affect the outcome of the sport; but those ........ who live vicariously through the riders they favor like Rossi, are pathetic in that this is ultimately what their intention is.
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I get what your saying and agree that any distraction ain't good on a race track.

But I used to do a couple of match races in Scotland (England v scotland) and although there was no booing (maybe some of the scots muttering under their whiskey breath) I did go that little bit harder in those races.

It was all done in good faith, but my point being if I or any of the other English lads got booed, it would have probably made us rider harder and maybe faster.
 
moto vudu said:
Sound of boos = motivation.
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Try to sell me that nonsense after you've raced and experienced it yourself. As I said, I've never run into booing at a race, but I have raced, F2, Middle-Weight Superbike, Battle Of The Twins etc. and while only at club level, I know the degree of concentration required and understand how the support of the marshals and officials and fans who really love the sport make a difference in how one feels safe on the track and can easily imagine how the exact opposite of that would affect my mind-set in the course of a race.
 
Keshav said:
Try to sell me that nonsense after you've raced and experienced it yourself. As I said, I've never run into booing at a race, but I have raced, F2, Middle-Weight Superbike, Battle Of The Twins etc. and while only at club level, I know the degree of concentration required and understand how the support of the marshals and officials and fans who really love the sport make a difference in how one feels safe on the track and can easily imagine how the exact opposite of that would affect my mind-set in the course of a race.
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I don't think anyone that makes it to the pro level would be negatively impacted by the sound of boos during a race.

Didn't Lorenzo point to some of the people booing while he was on the top step of the podium at Le Mans? That's what you do, you rub your success in their face.
 
Keshav said:
Never been to a race where "fans" booed. I will say this... that you can't compare MotoGP to Futbol or Rugby or stultifying Cricket. Nobody's life is on the line in those sports. Motorcycle racers are in a category of their own.

You don't have to be a racer to imagine what it must be like to be coming down to the end of a straight with three or four riders competing to get ahead or pass you inches away, while traveling at 160 MPH - and to be hit with a wave of sound emanating from the stands that expresses pure neanderthal hatred for you, when every mental resource you possess is dedicated to getting through that turn and not getting killed. This .... ain't hacky-sack.

Anyone who's ever ridden a motorcycle at top speed on an open road and been startled by a careless driver or the appearance of a deer by the roadside, a squirrel running across the road or hit (or just nearly missed) by a small bird, knows how terrifying and unnerving it is and just how much loss of concentration can cost you in terms of potential injury from a crash. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic or over dramatic when I say that kind of distraction could potentially do more harm than to merely cause him to lose a position in the race.

And even if the booing only causes a loss of position in a race, I don't believe that the fans should in any way affect the outcome of the sport; but those ........ who live vicariously through the riders they favor like Rossi, are pathetic in that this is ultimately what their intention is.
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I wonder, would loud cheering have a similar but opposiste effect? It is normal that fans would like to affect the result of a competition, but can they? Hopefully not.

Hopefully neither cheering nor booing can affect results in our sport. Lorenzo for one certainly has demonstrated he can ride perfectly well while being booed, often beating his more popular and cheered rival Rossi. These guys have very solid nerves, or they would not be professional racers.

And anyway, when you wear a helmet and use earplugs, and are subject to a lot of wind noise, not to mention the engine noise from other bikes when close, those boos or cheers can never be loud for you, if heard at all.

Unless you slow down and lift your visor to listen, of course. :)
 
moto vudu said:
I don't think anyone that makes it to the pro level would be negatively impacted by the sound of boos during a race.
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Because they stop being human beings made of flesh, blood, and emotions? I think you need to revisit why this started. It started because a rider got his feelings hurt, then lashed out at the world. That lashing out became dangerous! Except, normally when that happens, the pro athlete is told to buck up. You don't find your double standard interesting?

Vudu, you've been reading some good explanations on the forum why this kind of expression by the fans isn't a normal part of this sport. On top of that, why this sport is unique for its dangers. Fans are more respectful in golf. Have you ever heard of booing in golf? No. Because it's normally not part of that sport's culture. Baseball, I will boo the .... out of the opposing batter, why? Because it's accepted, and it's banter not really hate. Have you ever watched a free throw by an opposing player in NBA? The host venue even hands out sound devices to distract the opposing player. I'm not going to get into a philosophical reason why it's acceptable in one sport verses the other, though I think it's been well explained around here, I think the rationalization to the contrary is based on very weak fallacies.

Im not surprised you'd follow Rossi's lead employing a double standard. Simoncelli was considered a dangerous rider, some of his fellow competitors rightfully expressed their disapproval; rightly because they had to race next to him, putting their own lives on the line. Rossi came out in support of Sic, similar to his "this is racing" to Stoner's objections in 08. However, revisit Rossi's take on Iannone after PI05, he said Iannone had been dangerous (btw, VR had a similar take on Elias in 06). I don't recall Simoncelli getting openly booed by fans to express their disapproval. Isolated, perhaps, but not an ongoing activity. So no, this isn't a footballing culture, nor are we to make ourselves feel better by falsely assuming these riders should tune it out, or as you suggest, turn it into motivation.
 
Daniboy said:
Julian Ryder's thoughts, this will cop a lot of flak no doubt.
Soup :: Ryder Notes: Different Ways of Doing It :: 05-20-2016
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Very typical "journalism" for this sport. This is the "journalistic" corps we have to rely on. You made a quip about how sometimes we quote them for gospel other times hacks, as if you can't dicern for yourself opinion verse facts. How many of his colleagues do you think will take Ryder to task for his irresponsible take? Lorenzo had a mixed take, he said he didn't think it was necessary in some areas, but you never know he went on to reflect. And reasoned, he didn’t expect anything unless if the unexpected happened, he supposed the security would do its job. Not winning hearts and minds?


It's no wonder we have people like you and Vudu representative of millions with a similar take, after all you all take your lead from one cult figure. It makes sense you all speak in lock step. Ryder basically wrote more words to express the same mocking joke Rossi said, "I need a bodyguard." It's all fun and games until you're crying crocodile tears. Go back and read some of Ryder's takes after Simoncelli's death. Simoncelli was good about winning "hearts and minds". He's dead now. Lorenzo didn’t hire the security. Ryder should be more aware of the sick ....... world we live in. Some ....... blasted 20 little kids in Newtown. Of the millions of fans in GP, certainly there has got to be a few mentally unstable ..... to do something in his mind would be considered "heroic". Then Ryder can write a nice eulogy about how security was theatrical and Lorenzo failed to win hearts and minds.
 
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J4rn0 said:
I wonder, would loud cheering have a similar but opposiste effect? It is normal that fans would like to affect the result of a competition, but can they? Hopefully not.

Hopefully neither cheering nor booing can affect results in our sport. Lorenzo for one certainly has demonstrated he can ride perfectly well while being booed, often beating his more popular and cheered rival Rossi. These guys have very solid nerves, or they would not be professional racers.

And anyway, when you wear a helmet and use earplugs, and are subject to a lot of wind noise, not to mention the engine noise from other bikes when close, those boos or cheers can never be loud for you, if heard at all.

Unless you slow down and lift your visor to listen, of course. :)
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While I cannot claim to ever been cheered on by a crowd, I have very clear recollections of being 4 positions back from the winning team at an endurance race at the AMA Nationals at Mid Ohio, and the people in the grandstands stood up and cheered the winning team as they crossed the finish line. I had a good Arai helmet, earplugs firmly in place and was topped out at about 120 MPH and believe me I heard and FELT the roar of the crowd.

Yes - racers are tough - but they're not insensitive robots (unless you're talking Eddie Lawson). They're as emotionally intuitive as any other human and experienced or not, they're affected by positive and negative energy from the crowds. When I finished that race in what looked like 4th or 5th place, I was (due to a crash and re-turn to the course) actually a lapped rider in 14th place, but that jubilant roar from the crowd made me feel like a champion; very uplifting. Again, I can only speculate with a degree of experience-based intuition, educated guess, call it what you will, that the diametric opposite of that experience, being booed by enormous crowds that show up at a GP race, would have to have some negative effect on concentration.

To the degree with which I would salute and encourage the least guy out there who's giving his all in a race - I have in the end - the greatest respect for guys who reach the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and it really pains me to think of ........ who don't grasp what an accomplishment it is, booing them like a bunch of ....-faced Futbol fans.
 
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