Lorenzo and Marquez given bodyguards for Mugello

Arrabbiata1 · May 20, 2016

J4rn0 said:
And anyway, when you wear a helmet and use earplugs, and are subject to a lot of wind noise, not to mention the engine noise from other bikes when close, those boos or cheers can never be loud for you, if heard at all.

Unless you slow down and lift your visor to listen, of course.

Or unless you crash and your visor is ripped off or you're strapped to a stretcher being tended by paramedics. Where's the condescending roll eyes emoji that you're so find of after one of your frequent facetious statements?...may I borrow it just this once? Cheers

There are exceptions of course, based upon rider testimonies that immediately spring to mind; Off the top of my head, - the stadium section at Jerez, practically the entire Mugello Circuit but in particular Poggio Secco, Borgo San Lorenzo and the Ducati grandstand at Bucine. Vale, Club, Luffield and Woodcote at Siverstone. Geert Timmer, Assen. Tramonto Misano, then Curvone - 11 and 12 - (although they really haul ass through there). Stadion Brno, and the compact amphitheatre nature of Valencia amplifies and projects the crowd noise on to the circuit.

moto vudu · May 20, 2016

Jumkie said:
Because they stop being human beings made of flesh, blood, and emotions? I think you need to revisit why this started. It started because a rider got his feelings hurt, then lashed out at the world. That lashing out became dangerous! Except, normally when that happens, the pro athlete is told to buck up. You don't find your double standard interesting?

Vudu, you've been reading some good explanations on the forum why this kind of expression by the fans isn't a normal part of this sport. On top of that, why this sport is unique for its dangers. Fans are more respectful in golf. Have you ever heard of booing in golf? No. Because it's normally not part of that sport's culture. Baseball, I will boo the .... out of the opposing batter, why? Because it's accepted, and it's banter not really hate. Have you ever watched a free throw by an opposing player in NBA? The host venue even hands out sound devices to distract the opposing player. I'm not going to get into a philosophical reason why it's acceptable in one sport verses the other, though I think it's been well explained around here, I think the rationalization to the contrary is based on very weak fallacies.

Im not surprised you'd follow Rossi's lead employing a double standard. Simoncelli was considered a dangerous rider, some of his fellow competitors rightfully expressed their disapproval; rightly because they had to race next to him, putting their own lives on the line. Rossi came out in support of Sic, similar to his "this is racing" to Stoner's objections in 08. However, revisit Rossi's take on Iannone after PI05, he said Iannone had been dangerous (btw, VR had a similar take on Elias in 06). I don't recall Simoncelli getting openly booed by fans to express their disapproval. Isolated, perhaps, but not an ongoing activity. So no, this isn't a footballing culture, nor are we to make ourselves feel better by falsely assuming these riders should tune it out, or as you suggest, turn it into motivation.

No, because they have the mental fortitude to not let boos negatively affect their performance. Give an example of a professional racer that was distracted during a race by boos from the crowd. For a sport you claim to love, you sure do nitpick it. Even if nobody was booing, you'd find something else to bitch about. Fans SHOULD respect all the riders, but if they want to express their displeasure with a rider they can & will. Those booing fans purchased a ticket so they are supporting the sport.

Ironic how on this forum there is a thread taking bets on a rider (Crutchlow) crashing and routine attacks against riders you don't like (namely Rossi), yet you cry about some ....... "boos" from a few people in the crowds at races. Since when is taking bets on a rider crashing part of motorcycle culture?

danski · May 20, 2016

Ryder used an example of anger towards a particular rider that happened to be Sic, you people are using his name for dramatic effect to support your 'cause' nice one !

Arrabbiata1 · May 20, 2016

moto vudu said:
Since when is taking bets on a rider crashing part of motorcycle culture?

I find I have to agree.

Arrabbiata1 said:
I can't comprehend cheering any form of accident as it happens trackside - or at home come to that.

Similarly, it may be a harmless bit of fun, but on reflection the Crutchlow crash thread is questionable. I'm not in the slightest bit superstitious and I don't believe in the notion of tempting fate but consider, we could quite conceivably have started one in 2011 for Marco. Let me know how that would have turned out.

However, despite your incessant eagerness to defend Rossi, do you not feel nonetheless that mindful of the fate of his close friend in 2001, he should be actively and vocally discouraging the sick and abhorrent cheering of fallen riders by his moronic global fan base? A following that it seems en-masse have zero affiliation with the pedigree and deference/respect for the history and indeed the tragedy associated with this sport while their only preoccupation appears to be blind adoration and obsessional irrational worship of their idol. - Would you not agree, that in this case, on this issue, they should be instructed to stand down?

Jumkie · May 20, 2016

moto vudu said:
No, because they have the mental fortitude to not let boos affect their performance. Give an example of a professional racer that was distracted during a race by boos from the crowd. For a sport you claim to love, you sure do nitpick it. Even if nobody was booing, you'd find something else to bitch about. Fans SHOULD respect all the riders, but if they want to express their displeasure with a rider they can & will. Those booing fans purchased a ticket so they are supporting the sport.

Ironic how on this forum there is a thread taking bets on a rider (Crutchlow) crashing and routine attacks against riders you don't like (namely Rossi), yet you cry about some ....... "boos" from a few people in the crowds at races. Since when is taking bets on a rider crashing part of motorcycle culture?

The difference is in the lighthearted satire of this Crashy thread, obviously the nuance escapes you. Nobody here is going to openly disrespect Crutchlow nor hope he crashes, certainly wouldn't cheer his crashing. If anything, those teasing his uncanny ability to crash regularly would likely tell him in the paddock, good luck, and try to keep the shiny side up. We've had rider known for crashing, Depuniet, Bautista, even Stoner at one time. Nobody is HOPING he crashes, they are predicting it based on the fact he crashes regularly. There is a difference!

Rossi attacked a fellow competitor, putting his life in immediate danger, at a venue a fellow competitor was killed in a freak on track accident. I'm fascinated you cannot dicern why Rossi is derided by fans of the sport for his cowardly actions. Then again, it says plenty about you.

moto vudu · May 20, 2016

You cannot instruct a fan on how to be a fan, it's a personal choice. A Marquez fan may cheer if Rossi crashes out. That doesn't necessarily mean he wishes Rossi harm, but Rossi not picking up any points during a race helps Marquez get closer to winning the championship. People cheer when an opposing team/rider fails to score.

Richy56 · May 20, 2016

Daniboy said:
Ryder used an example of anger towards a particular rider that happened to be Sic, you people are using his name for dramatic effect to support your 'cause' nice one !

Suppose you chuckled to yourself reading Ryder's comments. What if Lorenzo or MM got stabbed.

Like the journos who laughed when Lorenzo was concerned about sic's on track antics and safety, then the unthinkable happened

Jumkie · May 20, 2016

Daniboy said:
Ryder used an example of anger towards a particular rider that happened to be Sic, you people are using his name for dramatic effect to support your 'cause' nice one !

Wait, so Ryder didn't invoked Simoncelli for dramatic affect? He used this to imply Lorenzo would be "hiding in his pit"!

Nothing is more poignant than death. He used it for dramatic affect to mock Lorenzo. No, no, not to make a point about safety, quite the opposite and for the most petulant of purposes.

I used to think you were just taking the piss with your takes, it's become clear you really do subscribe to your peculiar expression about reality.

Keshav · May 20, 2016

moto vudu said:
You cannot instruct a fan on how to be a fan, it's a personal choice. A Marquez fan may cheer if Rossi crashes out. That doesn't necessarily mean he wishes Rossi harm, but Rossi not picking up any points during a race helps Marquez get closer to winning the championship. People cheer when an opposing team/rider fails to score.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

There's a huge difference between a bunch of guys shooting the .... on the internet, and actually booing guys who are risking their lives to entertain you. I suppose it irks you to have people on this forum (many of whom have actively participated in professional racing either as racers or crew members) try to tell you that their perspective is on balance, more valid than yours; but if you can risk being open-minded and not merely reacting out of defensiveness, you might stop and realize that they have a point. It's not always about trying to force the other guy to concede. When I don't put myself in the position of defending a point strictly out of ego, I actually learn things on this forum. Try not to think of this as a place to have an ego shoot-out, and see it as a place where there is a huge wealth of knowledge and experience with this sport.

Arrabbiata1 · May 20, 2016

moto vudu said:
You cannot instruct a fan on how to be a fan, it's a personal choice. A Marquez fan may cheer if Rossi crashes out. That doesn't necessarily mean he wishes Rossi harm, but Rossi not picking up any points during a race helps Marquez get closer to winning the championship. People cheer when an opposing team/rider fails to score.

Ridiculous post. Genuinely? how long have you followed this sport? There are isolated incidents, but the instant that a rider crashes at 130mph +, they don't...except in actual fact now they do. It's one very large fraternity attired in garish canary yellow that pollutes our race circuits, and you seem to be defending and condoning it because your idol refuses to distance himself from it or condemn it.

Yes you ....... can instruct a fan on how to be a fan and your hero/svengali exerts the power to do so, although my point is we shouldn't have to. There is an etiquette, decency and decorum that used to be associated with this sport until the mass influx of mindless glory hunting idiots that are intent upon transforming our stands reminiscent of the hooligan and thug infested terraces that are even considered an anachronism in contemporary football.

Tell you what. Visit the North West or the TT where you will find genuine fans of motorcycle racing and show me one, just one individual that applauds and celebrates an accident because it may be in the interest of a the rider they favour. Perhaps a fan of Alistair Seeley should legitimately have been celebrating Ryan Farquhar's near fatal accident because after all, they didn't 'necessarily wish him harm'. Now try to picture what would happen to that individual...if it was on the Island they'd probably be seized by a posse and publicly lynched. It's not acceptable there and likewise it should be instantly eradicated from short circuit racing. The fact that this mob mentality has taken route globally in the blue riband World Championship ....... sickens me. And the fact that you attempt to vindicate it says more about you obsessional preoccupation with one rider which appears to be the sole rationale behind your presence on this forum.

Jumkie · May 20, 2016

Richy56 said:
Suppose you chuckled to yourself reading Ryder's comments. What if Lorenzo or MM got stabbed.

Like the journos who laughed when Lorenzo was concerned about sic's on track antics and safety, then the unthinkable happened

Exactly! How many "journalists" , fans, paddock 'hard cores', "old schoolers" mocked Lorenzo for pointing out they were playing with life.

Simoncelli eventually was killed on the track! Unbelievable! If ever the validity of a man's words were proved, it is this.

I also find it fascinating that those people who think Rossi's perception (the standard being his thought process alone) about the racing at Sepang was ENOUGH to rightfully retaliated by an attack to Marquez putting him in harms way. The rationale that Rossi did the "safe" thing in eliminating the clean racing between them! How is such reasoning possibly? I'm serious, it's fascinating. Rossi chose to stop clean racing by an attack to ground another rider for SAFETY?!

moto vudu · May 20, 2016

Keshav said:
No, and you can't lead a horse to water.

There's a huge difference between a bunch of guys shooting the .... on the internet, and actually booing guys who are risking their lives to entertain you. I suppose it irks you to have people on this forum (many of whom have actively participated in professional racing either as racers or crew members) try to tell you that their perspective is on balance, more valid than yours; but if you can risk being open-minded and not merely reacting out of defensiveness, you might stop and realize that they have a point. It's not always about trying to force the other guy to concede. When I don't put myself in the position of defending a point strictly out of ego, I actually learn things on this forum. Try not to think of this as a place to have an ego shoot-out, and see it as a place where there is a huge wealth of knowledge and experience with this sport.

IMO, there's not a huge difference between shooting the .... on the internet and booing @ track side. Both can be done with light-hearted intentions, yet interpreted by someone else as something more sinister.

Although we view the racing as entertainment, I don't think the riders are motivated by entertainment for fans. They LOVE racing motorcycles and getting to ride the fastest motorcycles around the best tracks. It's just that fan support is critical for the sport to succeed.

9TimeGod · May 20, 2016

Keshav said:
No, and you can't lead a horse to water.

There's a huge difference between a bunch of guys shooting the .... on the internet, and actually booing guys who are risking their lives to entertain you. I suppose it irks you to have people on this forum (many of whom have actively participated in professional racing either as racers or crew members) try to tell you that their perspective is on balance, more valid than yours; but if you can risk being open-minded and not merely reacting out of defensiveness, you might stop and realize that they have a point. It's not always about trying to force the other guy to concede. When I don't put myself in the position of defending a point strictly out of ego, I actually learn things on this forum. Try not to think of this as a place to have an ego shoot-out, and see it as a place where there is a huge wealth of knowledge and experience with this sport.

BOO
Club racer. Lol
Theres no fans in the stands to boo at club racing.
You probabaly sucked anyway. You wouldnt know the difference between a boo or a cheer since youve never heard either one

9TimeGod · May 20, 2016

The only thing the two mexican riders hear, are voices in their head from their puppetmaster Rossi

Bodyguards. Ba ha ha. The only danger those mexican munchkins have is accidentally being stepped on

povol · May 20, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
I find I have to agree.

However, despite your incessant eagerness to defend Rossi, do you not feel nonetheless that mindful of the fate of his close friend in 2001, he should be actively and vocally discouraging the sick and abhorrent cheering of fallen riders by his moronic global fan base? A following that it seems en-masse have zero affiliation with the pedigree and deference/respect for the history and indeed the tragedy associated with this sport while their only preoccupation appears to be blind adoration and obsessional irrational worship of their idol. - Would you not agree, that in this case, on this issue, they should be instructed to stand down?

By far the least knowledgeable GP fans. Now if you want to know what Rossi's cat's name is, his aunts birthday, his favorite food etc etc, they are a treasure trove of information. I agree with you on the Crashy Crutchlow lottery, I dont like to tempt fate and therefore have not participated in it.

9TimeGod · May 20, 2016

NJIRK said:
stoner giving his opinion aswell

Oh My. The world is progressing so fast. Even babies have twitter accounts now

9TimeGod · May 20, 2016

povol said:
By far the least knowledgeable GP fans. Now if you want to know what Rossi's cat's name is, his aunts birthday, his favorite food etc etc, they are a treasure trove of information. I agree with you on the Crashy Crutchlow lottery, I dont like to tempt fate and therefore have not participated in it.

I would argue that Stoner fans are the least knowledgeable
They only watched for a few years and then quit just like he did. Well maybe im wrong. Probabaly Stoner supercar fans know less. They only got to watch him race three times before he quit

Arrabbiata1 · May 20, 2016

9TimeGod said:
I would argue that Stoner fans are the least knowledgeable
They only watched for a few years and then quit just like he did. Well maybe im wrong. Probabaly Stoner supercar fans know less. They only got to watch him race three times before he quit

Alright Talps?

povol · May 20, 2016

9TimeGod said:
I would argue that Stoner fans are the least knowledgeable
They only watched for a few years and then quit just like he did. Well maybe im wrong. Probabaly Stoner supercar fans know less. They only got to watch him race three times before he quit

What they do know is in the years he did race, he squashed the perception that Rossi was some kind of racing demigod.

danski · May 20, 2016

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