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no seen a replay

i only grabbed the screenshot and have been out since

there wont be any clips on a video site for days nazi police will see to that

lets see what pre motogp race brings



this is better than the racing

Pinkster how you doing have you got blisters on the fingers YET your keyboard must be melting over this incident



125'S ARE UP PPL
 
will horhey have a wet bike to change to mid race? mechincs going into speis garge and quickly changes fairings
 
lol at race thread 4 pages long already before the 125 start
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Ok, for the punch - well a precedent was set some time ago which was do nothing, but that was 'behind closed doors' and involved others so six of one, half a dozen the other in terms of comparison.



But still, you do not and should not punch or strike another rider, be that on track of off it - and as such something does need to be done irrespective of the 'side of the fence' on which you sit (and I ca see Talps salivating now as he calls for a lifetime ban)



A punishment is required and that punishment needs to reflect that no rider should be able to strike another rider in the manner done, whether it be on track, off track or whilst within the confines of an MGP controlled area (ie. a race weekend). As such, a penalty that reflects the seriousness needs to be considered.



Now, despite what Talps and others will say - this is the first time Stoner has struck another rider (as striking is different to struck out at, irrespective of intent) so first offence needs to be considered. There may well have been mitigating circumstances involved but do they outweigh that Stoner struck another rider - NO.



So, for mine it comes down to punishment and whilst I will never support an expected Talpaesque punishment Stoner needs to receive a punishment that reflects the seriousness of the event and for me, that should not include exclusion from this event as at this stage it is under investigation (besides which there would be an immediate appeal anyway, thus stalling any exclusion). For mine, a minimum would be to 'zero' his qualifying time and make him start rear of grid for at least one and maybe more races - and I do say a minimum. Added to this would be a suspended suspension of 1 race should he offend again prior to the end of season 2011 with clear instructions on what constitutes an offence (ie. does he physically need to strike or just make motion).



Importantly, if Race Direction issue a fine then it must be high enough to be seen as a deterrent and not small in nature thus it be pocket change to the rider (such as token Tennis penalties)



But, there are two parties involved here and given that RdP precipitated the offence he should not get away unpunished, but precedence dictates that he has to as no other rider has been punished similarly this weekend (or others) for similar actions. Thus a casual chat is all that is required for RdP, nothing official.



But, Race Direction now have to reap what they have sown from the past inactions and must now formally warn all riders of their obligations regarding clearing the 'fast line' and advise of what the punishment must be. They then need to be proactive and issue penalties to riders who do not clear the racing line - not wait for an incident of this nature again.











You lost me - but then at my age that is easy.



Simonelli's highside was dangerous but was racing - simple.



I would be more concerned about the actions that caused Stoner to 'lash out' in this case as they are in themselves dangerous and whilst I do not necessarily see Stoner's action as dangerous per se, I do not and will not support it or say it is acceptable under any circumstances (read above).



However again, going slow on a racing line is bloody ridiculous and does need to be addressed by race control but again, as I have said above given their past inaction they cannot penalise RdP without revisiting other indescretions of a similar nature.



I think your penalty is too high. A fine is what would be in order. Don't forget that the officials are the most at fault and have contributed to the incident more than the riders.



Also Stoner used his fist which I don't condone but I do understand. Others have used their bike as a weapon on many occasions and nothing has been done.



Also I reckon Stoner would take DePuniet if they settle it out the back of the pits. The Euro's are just prima donna metro men. Stoner would whip his arse Aussie style.
 
Pinkster how you doing have you got blisters on the fingers YET your keyboard must be melting over this incident



I bet his isn't the only keyboard melting over the incident either Pig
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Mind you, I do not want to think about Pinkys keyboard given that pic posted a few years back







Pig, forgot to say that advice I have received would indicate that until you do see the footage your opinion is worthless so please, once you have viewed revisit and then, and only then furnish us with your even handed opinion please.
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Gaz
 
Crutchlows tweet



Before people start with Stoner they don't know what it's like when your doing 300kph down a straight and the guy in front is doing 100kph



There are two sides to this story. Both riders were extremely dangerous.

I find it very unsurprising that some of you only see one rider in the wrong here & have excused RDP for coming very close to causing a massive accident.
 
Lorenzo might off lost an engine in that crash, there was alot of smoke cominig out off that M1.

Oil backed up - that was the huge gush of smoke out of the exhaust. That shouldn't be a problem, the fire on the other hand was burning under the bike so who knows what damage has been done. Added to that these bike don't particularly like fire extinguishers.



I'm amazed if CS has escaped with just a 5,000 euro fine - surely that should be a penalty even a race suspension. I'm informed that Max copped a 3,000 Euro fine for his recent tap on Melandri's cheek. Stoner dead armed RDP actually quite hard while riding and could easily have put him into the wall. I'm now thinking of Hoppers one race ban, and Tamada's penalty at Motegi for his contact with Sete.



Further inconsistency from Race Direction who clearly don't want to jeopardise a closely contended championship.
 





From twitter



de Puniet's defence was he was adjusting his front brake, but he was apparently shocked Casey was fined



Chaz Davies with a different thought.



I'm sure if Casey knew that "punch" was gonna cost him €5000 he'd have made it count ;-)
 
no seen a replay

i only grabbed the screenshot and have been out since

there wont be any clips on a video site for days nazi police will see to that

lets see what pre motogp race brings



this is better than the racing

Pinkster how you doing have you got blisters on the fingers YET your keyboard must be melting over this incident



125'S ARE UP PPL





So you ranted without even seeing a replay of what actually happened?

What a surprise.
 

Twitter :



birtymotogp Matthew Birt

de Puniet's defence was he was adjusting his front brake, but he was apparently shocked Casey was fined





plus Crutchlow had the following to say



Before people start with Stoner they don't know what it's like when your doing 300kph down a straight and the guy in front is doing 100kph…



and



No I agree maybe he shouldn't have punched him but it must have be very scary situation ! More entertainment for championship though



Chaz Davies tweeted this gem
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I'm sure if Casey knew that "punch" was gonna cost him €5000 he'd have made it count ;-)
 
I'm amazed if CS has escaped with just a 5,000 euro fine - surely that should be a penalty even a race suspension. I'm informed that Max copped a 3,000 Euro fine for his recent tap on Melandri's cheek. Stoner dead armed RDP actually quite hard while riding and could easily have put him into the wall. I'm now thinking of Hoppers one race ban, and Tamada's penalty at Motegi for his contact with Sete.



Further inconsistency from Race Direction who clearly don't want to jeopardise a closely contended championship.



I think a points penalty would be more appropriate than a 5,000 euro fine....Stoner would earn that money in half an hour and it wont discourage that type of behaviour. Similarly they need to arrest this slowdown on the racing line problem as it could result in a serious accident if left to run its course.



Did Rossi or Biaggi ever receive a penalty for their punch-up on the way to the podium? I cant recall if they did but I might be wrong. I seem to remember they were just warned on that occasion.



As usual.....money talks.
 
Stoner is an ...!! He should be made to start from the back of the grid. Yesterday Hiroshi, today Randy. Someone will be punching him before long. Prick!
 
I think a points penalty would be more appropriate than a 5,000 euro fine....Stoner would earn that money in half an hour and it wont discourage that type of behaviour. Similarly they need to arrest this slowdown on the racing line problem as it could result in a serious accident if left to run its course.



Did Rossi or Biaggi ever receive a penalty for their punch-up on the way to the podium? I cant recall if they did but I might be wrong. I seem to remember they were just warned on that occasion.



As usual.....money talks.





get over it, how about a 5 week ban? lets make motogp even more boring than it is... i personally would of liked to see a end of grid penalty, i would of loved to see him ride through the field toady and take victory
 
I think a points penalty would be more appropriate than a 5,000 euro fine....Stoner would earn that money in half an hour and it wont discourage that type of behaviour. Similarly they need to arrest this slowdown on the racing line problem as it could result in a serious accident if left to run its course.



Did Rossi or Biaggi ever receive a penalty for their punch-up on the way to the podium? I cant recall if they did but I might be wrong. I seem to remember they were just warned on that occasion.



As usual.....money talks.



I can't agree with a points loss nor with a race suspension primarily because there has been a problem and the problem has not been addressed when it should have been a long time ago.



I hope Stoner now comes out and smokes the field which I suspect he will do. I predict a 10+sec win from Stoner.



Can anyone confirm if Lorenzo lost the engine and if so was it the race engine?
 

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