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oh ...., indeed more .... for him if that was a new engine, but from the other side, better for us, now it's time for Pedrosa and Stoner to close the gap fully, and maybe even get the lead from him. i do hope for a lead change today or after the next gp.
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Yes he did on his outlap on cold tyres.
Stoner stupid to punch RDP, but the fact that RDP is copping nothing from you guys for his dangerous act says a lot about some of you ranters. Biased as all hell
Which is more dangerous? The little push (which was dangerous) or riding in someone's line despite looking around to see who was behind you and potentially have someone ride into the back of you at 300kmh? When someone gets killed will you then agree it's dangerous or if it's Stoner will it be his own fault?
Maybe this act of stupidity from both riders will finally get this issue addressed before something serious does happen.
Yes he did on his outlap on cold tyres.
Stoner stupid to punch RDP, but the fact that RDP is copping nothing from you guys for his dangerous act says a lot about some of you ranters. Biased as all hell
Which is more dangerous? The little push (which was dangerous) or riding in someone's line despite looking around to see who was behind you and potentially have someone ride into the back of you at 300kmh? When someone gets killed will you then agree it's dangerous or if it's Stoner will it be his own fault?
Are you for real? Do you think Randy intentionaly blocked Stoner? HE DID NOT SEE HIM. On the other hand, Stoner intentionaly punched him. I think the intent here is very important, everyone makes mistakes, but assulting someone with intent is different. If anything, you are the biased.
Lorenzo might off lost an engine in that crash, there was alot of smoke cominig out off that M1.
Stoner & Depuniet, are both in the wrong here,what are riders doing cruising around on the race line,bloody hell if they hit this conversation would be alot different.
Stoner & Depuniet, are both in the wrong here,what are riders doing cruising around on the race line,bloody hell if they hit this conversation would be alot different.
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STFU. You're too occupied with touching ladyboys you twisted .....
MISTAKE?!??!!? hahahahaha
ok so as a doctor i can make all mistakes i want? no that is called NEGLIGENCE
same with NEGLIGENT driving. no one is perfect, but when its avoidable and as a reult of stupidity then thats negligence
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Ok i get it, so the boners are now gonna tell me that simoncelli's high side (His own fault), that basically lost casey a very small amount of time was dangerous but physically punching another rider on track whilst riding (even though Randy may not of even felt it) is not dangerous.
GET ....... REAL!
And to think people were having a go at Talps for trying to defend the indefensible after Jerez
No one is saying that, except for Pinky, so no need to GET WOUND UP. I think everyone agrees that Stoner should not have done this. Some are merely pointing out that the issue of being on the racing line with low speed should really be addressed now. And I would agree with that opinion. Get the GP commission to try and come up with some basic rules about how to avoid these things in the first place. Maybe they can't, but maybe they can and future accidents can be avoided.
DePuniet looks over his left shoulder and sees Stoner on his left to the LEFT edge of the track. DePunet moves over right to give him a clear straight run through in the WARM UP. Stoner crosses to the right side of the track and over the line of two riders on the left of the track. He just ...... up and should have blasted past them on the left before crossing to the other side of track.
Fcken hilarious. Stoner went to the wrong side of the track, blew an irrelevant hot lap and lost it. This race is going to be awesome. From the man who hates contact unless it suits him. Like to see him give that to Simoncelli or Rossi.
Fcken hilarious. Stoner went to the wrong side of the track, blew an irrelevant hot lap and lost it. This race is going to be awesome. From the man who hates contact unless it suits him. Like to see him give that to Simoncelli or Rossi.
How could he not see him? He just looked behind him & then veered right into his line. Look at the video when it's up & then look with both eyes open.
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Yes he did on his outlap on cold tyres.
Stoner stupid to punch RDP, but the fact that RDP is copping nothing from you guys for his dangerous act says a lot about some of you ranters. Biased as all hell
Which is more dangerous? The little push (which was dangerous) or riding in someone's line despite looking around to see who was behind you and potentially have someone ride into the back of you at 300kmh? When someone gets killed will you then agree it's dangerous or if it's Stoner will it be his own fault?
It is not just DePuniet as Bautista was just sitting there as well so Stoner was confronted with 2 ......... side by side dawdling on the race line. This is the problem. Race Direction do not listen to the riders about what is going on on the track. Stoner has constantly complained about this. When Stoner was on his out lap he was off the race line and constantly looking back to make sure no one was coming until he got up to speed. This is how it should be done. But because Butler is an incompetent .... who has done nothing about this constant problem Stoners reaction has been getting more and more frustrated.
Now that he has blown up no doubt Butler will give him a penalty and all the riders will be spoken to and Stoners title chances will be further damaged.
Ok, for the punch - well a precedent was set some time ago which was do nothing, but that was 'behind closed doors' and involved others so six of one, half a dozen the other in terms of comparison.
But still, you do not and should not punch or strike another rider, be that on track of off it - and as such something does need to be done irrespective of the 'side of the fence' on which you sit (and I ca see Talps salivating now as he calls for a lifetime ban)
A punishment is required and that punishment needs to reflect that no rider should be able to strike another rider in the manner done, whether it be on track, off track or whilst within the confines of an MGP controlled area (ie. a race weekend). As such, a penalty that reflects the seriousness needs to be considered.
Now, despite what Talps and others will say - this is the first time Stoner has struck another rider (as striking is different to struck out at, irrespective of intent) so first offence needs to be considered. There may well have been mitigating circumstances involved but do they outweigh that Stoner struck another rider - NO.
So, for mine it comes down to punishment and whilst I will never support an expected Talpaesque punishment Stoner needs to receive a punishment that reflects the seriousness of the event and for me, that should not include exclusion from this event as at this stage it is under investigation (besides which there would be an immediate appeal anyway, thus stalling any exclusion). For mine, a minimum would be to 'zero' his qualifying time and make him start rear of grid for at least one and maybe more races - and I do say a minimum. Added to this would be a suspended suspension of 1 race should he offend again prior to the end of season 2011 with clear instructions on what constitutes an offence (ie. does he physically need to strike or just make motion).
Importantly, if Race Direction issue a fine then it must be high enough to be seen as a deterrent and not small in nature thus it be pocket change to the rider (such as token Tennis penalties)
But, there are two parties involved here and given that RdP precipitated the offence he should not get away unpunished, but precedence dictates that he has to as no other rider has been punished similarly this weekend (or others) for similar actions. Thus a casual chat is all that is required for RdP, nothing official.
But, Race Direction now have to reap what they have sown from the past inactions and must now formally warn all riders of their obligations regarding clearing the 'fast line' and advise of what the punishment must be. They then need to be proactive and issue penalties to riders who do not clear the racing line - not wait for an incident of this nature again.
You lost me - but then at my age that is easy.
Simonelli's highside was dangerous but was racing - simple.
I would be more concerned about the actions that caused Stoner to 'lash out' in this case as they are in themselves dangerous and whilst I do not necessarily see Stoner's action as dangerous per se, I do not and will not support it or say it is acceptable under any circumstances (read above).
However again, going slow on a racing line is bloody ridiculous and does need to be addressed by race control but again, as I have said above given their past inaction they cannot penalise RdP without revisiting other indescretions of a similar nature.
But still, you do not and should not punch or strike another rider, be that on track of off it - and as such something does need to be done irrespective of the 'side of the fence' on which you sit (and I ca see Talps salivating now as he calls for a lifetime ban)
A punishment is required and that punishment needs to reflect that no rider should be able to strike another rider in the manner done, whether it be on track, off track or whilst within the confines of an MGP controlled area (ie. a race weekend). As such, a penalty that reflects the seriousness needs to be considered.
Now, despite what Talps and others will say - this is the first time Stoner has struck another rider (as striking is different to struck out at, irrespective of intent) so first offence needs to be considered. There may well have been mitigating circumstances involved but do they outweigh that Stoner struck another rider - NO.
So, for mine it comes down to punishment and whilst I will never support an expected Talpaesque punishment Stoner needs to receive a punishment that reflects the seriousness of the event and for me, that should not include exclusion from this event as at this stage it is under investigation (besides which there would be an immediate appeal anyway, thus stalling any exclusion). For mine, a minimum would be to 'zero' his qualifying time and make him start rear of grid for at least one and maybe more races - and I do say a minimum. Added to this would be a suspended suspension of 1 race should he offend again prior to the end of season 2011 with clear instructions on what constitutes an offence (ie. does he physically need to strike or just make motion).
Importantly, if Race Direction issue a fine then it must be high enough to be seen as a deterrent and not small in nature thus it be pocket change to the rider (such as token Tennis penalties)
But, there are two parties involved here and given that RdP precipitated the offence he should not get away unpunished, but precedence dictates that he has to as no other rider has been punished similarly this weekend (or others) for similar actions. Thus a casual chat is all that is required for RdP, nothing official.
But, Race Direction now have to reap what they have sown from the past inactions and must now formally warn all riders of their obligations regarding clearing the 'fast line' and advise of what the punishment must be. They then need to be proactive and issue penalties to riders who do not clear the racing line - not wait for an incident of this nature again.
You lost me - but then at my age that is easy.
Simonelli's highside was dangerous but was racing - simple.
I would be more concerned about the actions that caused Stoner to 'lash out' in this case as they are in themselves dangerous and whilst I do not necessarily see Stoner's action as dangerous per se, I do not and will not support it or say it is acceptable under any circumstances (read above).
However again, going slow on a racing line is bloody ridiculous and does need to be addressed by race control but again, as I have said above given their past inaction they cannot penalise RdP without revisiting other indescretions of a similar nature.
Read the post above. He did not see him when Stoner changed direction and went from left to right. Randy was right to clear the way, Stoner was wrong to cross from one side to the other without being seen. Not to mention the assult,
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He pulled straight across onto the racing line WITHOUT LOOKING...which is why HE DID NOT SEE HIM.
How many motorcyclist have died on the road because the other driver "didn't see him" through negligence and lack of observation. I know people who have died this way and not looking isn't a valid defense I am afraid.
You are the one being biased here....BOTH riders are at fault.
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What was Stoner thinking??
sorry, don't mean i am a hater.. but by punched Randy ON THE TRACK, that's waaaay too much... he could've just wait for Randy in the paddock instead...
Did he punch him hard or just a soft one?
i dont like this ieder in both ways, riders blocking others but also Stoner taking it this serious, but i hope they only give him a warning, as imo he deserved a warning also when he came back to track at Jerez.
some how, their own talks about safty and respecting the rules can bite himself here. as this time is against a home rider and we all know the officials usually take their side.
just when it's time for him to close the gap to the leaders.
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