Launch control SCRAPPED for 2009!!!!!

Would the racing be better if rider aids were gone? Gee, thanks for filling me in on that secret guys, I would have never figured it out on my own. Unfortunately for fans of exciting racing, electronics are apart of the machine now. That's part of the spectacle of grand prix, the absolute pinnacle of motorcycle technology. ...., even SBK is using TC. If that doesn't tell you something then you should get a ....... clue. And if the racing isn't close enough for you then just wait until Roger Edmonson's NASBIKE kicks off in a few weeks where we can rest assured that the full course caution will fly with three laps to go to ensure that everyone will have a fair chance at winning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Feb 18 2009, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to agree with curve here as much as it pains me to do so. THe electronics in racing has easily watered down the rider input. I remember racers being interviewed in the past regarding this issue and they usually all have the same response and that is to get rid of it. THey all say the TC is really in the right hand. So electronic suspension, GPS is crazy, TC has its place but..., electric bikes are coming and I pray the earth blows up before we have to cowtow the rest of the tree hugging ....... who really think they are saving the earth because of this technology. It is ........ and all of you who support it really need to get a ...... clue.

+1 to everything said here

GP racing should be between a rider, his motorcycle, and the track. Excessive technology just cheapens the experience for all involved.

Look..i'm not saying there should be a ban on ALL electronics...of course not thats just not possible...what i AM saying is that MANY of the gadgets the use now are killing the sport... You're not racing if theres a computer controlling the amount of power the engine is letting you have in a certain corner... just like launch control and lots of that .......it takes away from the RIDERS talent..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>PS. If I ever race my bike for money in a crowded grid, I want launch control.Well that's one thing today's MotoGP riders don't need to worry about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Feb 18 2009, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well that's one thing today's MotoGP riders don't need to worry about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>PS. If I ever race my bike for money in a crowded grid, I want launch control.
problem solved

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Feb 18 2009, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well that's one thing today's MotoGP riders don't need to worry about.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 01:47 PM)
PS. If I ever race my bike for money in a crowded grid, I want launch control.

Thats the thing...the bikes have been so pussified even a slacker like you could ride one

clarkjw, who are you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 18 2009, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>clarkjw, who are you?
clarkjw is pinky's sister >.<

i love the ignore button

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look away from the mirrors when typing, buddy. I'd guess you don't make a living off of racing. If you do, my post isn't really relevant to you.

Banning electronics just means individual rider physical/mental focus skills matter more AND rider setup/team skills matter less. You seem to think MotoGP is about the riders. It's about:
That's simply wrong. Taking some of the electronics out, such as advanced TC, Ride by wire and electronic suspension means the setup/team matter more than with those advanced electronics. They need a good setup not a medicore setup masked by electronics. This has been pointed out again and again by riders, even before the electronic suspension came around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Promoting Consumer Motorcycling
Individual Factory Brand Promotion
R&D -> Promoting Consumer Motorcycling
MotoGP is about making money[period]
You can translate that into a lot of things but also this:
You say MotoGP is not about the rider but you are dead wrong because that's what it is for the spectators and fans, the large numbers anyway. So, the manufacturers have to comply and give the riders more control of their ride, that is, if they want to make money, and they do.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look..i'm not saying there should be a ban on ALL electronics...of course not thats just not possible...what i AM saying is that MANY of the gadgets the use now are killing the sport... You're not racing if theres a computer controlling the amount of power the engine is letting you have in a certain corner... just like launch control and lots of that .......it takes away from the RIDERS talent..

Curve, let me be clear. I'd love to see more competitive racing. I think we ARE seeing rider talent but 800cc bikes don't allow for different style/racing line choices. It's shifted riders to line consistency and away from braking and race craft. More rules make it so there's only one viable line and races are processional. 2006 wasn't so long ago. There were electronics and launch control then. However, the torque in the 990 suited more variant styles and allowed for overtaking.

Not everyone can be competitive at this level on just physical talent. Vale will always be .5 second/lap faster that Colin on the same bike. He's just that good. If we help one rider where he's weak, strenghten another where he's already strong, the weak rider gets closer but not faster.

I think GPS/Two-Way telemetry/Track Position Awareness is rediculous. Launch control is also silly. I like electronic throttle, but can understand arguments against it.
We can't stop progress unless we stop competing. So, we should embrace the things we can't change. We can't change launch, but we can have rider weight minimums. We can't force photo finishes, but we can have avg/top speed limits.

Edit: if curve seriously ignored me, why not just tape record himself and press repeat. I type with the impression that forums are meant for discussion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, we should embrace the things we can't change. We can't change launch, but we can have rider weight minimums. We can't force photo finishes, but we can have avg/top speed limits.

Edit: if curve seriously ignored me, why not just tape record himself and press repeat. I type with the impression that forums are meant for discussion.

I hate you Clark.

You're not ignored brother..yet

The only thing i will EVER embrace is RIDER TALENT.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 01:47 PM)
PS. If I ever race my bike for money in a crowded grid, I want launch control.

reminds me of the time CE2 took out half the grid when his launch control failed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, we should embrace the things we can't change.
no, we should change the things we dont embrace...
your life sucks...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no, we should change the things we dont embrace...
your life sucks...

I knew you would hate that comment Slide I'm with you man.

clark must live in North Korea...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only thing i will EVER embrace is RIDER TALENT.....

Fine, the let's watch Vale win every race by 20 seconds, he's the fastest. Let's have Brad Pittexclusively bang all women, he's the best looking, etc. I not the most experienced guy at my firm, or the highest IQ, nor do I have the best social skills, but I'm ok in all those departments and killer at financial math. My team makes up for where I lack, and I do the same for them.

MotoGP is a team sport. Vale certainly isn't capable of designing and building a bike himself. If you were serious, you'd be advocating for a NASCAR type of MotoGP where they are all on the same kit. If that's what it turns into, I wont be watching.

Not everyone can compete on physical gifts alone. Electronics don't get developed without rider feedback and proper setup. Giving good feedback/development is a skill too. I say may the best team (bike+rider+crew) win.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure u'd embrace Rossi naked. "Rider talent" is code for gay for Rossi, right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tremulant @ Feb 18 2009, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I knew you would hate that comment Slide I'm with you man.

clark must live in North Korea...
or mongolia...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>are you ....... stupid? dorna is finally taking a somewhat 180 degree turn in the right way, and you start whining? go play uccio and vale horseriding with lad

This is not a step in the right direction, this is the proliferation of the problem.

The problem is not technology, the problem is the role technology plays when engines have narrow power bands. Engine capacity is still too low to provide ample low-end power without super expensive engine internals. Regardless of what technology they eliminate, only one racing line will be fast.

Elimination of electronic suspension is the real f-u to Ducati and racing fans alike. It has been widely reported that the Duc requires electronic rear suspension to make any pace. Elias was lap traffic until Ducati gave him the full spec. Furthermore, electronic suspension is one of the few technologies that might be applicable to the road riders and track-day warriors alike. Who wouldn't like the ability to adjust suspension characteristics based upon the lean angle. Electronic suspension might save a $20,000 dollar investment and a lot of pain; especially in the wet.

Electronic suspension is raising cornering speeds. They have a control tire to regulate corner speeds. Why don't they use it?!

BTW who was it that said they need to regulate average speed? Average speed is lap time. I don't think they need to regulate average speed, but I do agree with the premise of the post. They need to regulate the performance criteria they are trying to control. When they write complicated rules, they drive costs up, even if they write more cost-cutting rules.