Launch control SCRAPPED for 2009!!!!!

Wow, they went ahead with everything! I think it's crazy. Eventually, WSBK will become more advanced if DORNA keeps these electronics bans in place.
Chip Controlled Throttle, ABS, Electronic Suspension, Traction Control, Carbon Fiber, Exotic Ceramics, and eventually Electric Motorcycles are part of the new reality. I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

I really think FIM should focus on more universally applicable and easily monitorable things to improve the spectable:

Control Tires (FIM should have control of anything that directly touches the track surface, including knee sliders if tech evolves enough)
Rider+Bike Weight Minimums, secret ballot second highest bid, voted on by participating teams
Average and Top Speed Limits, designated by track safety/layout
Self Selected Team Primary Colors - including painted rims, (ever watch a WSBK race and not know who's who cause thery're all in Red&Black with shark fin designs?). At least 1/3 of Rider+Bike must be 1 color

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Feb 18 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No .....

Lesson: Make a <u>new</u> thread for big, bombshell type news so everybody can see it and discuss it specifically, rather than scrolling through all the ........ you post to find a needle in a haystack.

I wouldnt call it a BOMBSHELL... a step in the right dirrection sure... as far as ..........talk to the site .... on that one..not me sister

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>far as ...........
Evidence of your propensity to talk .....

Love,

Site ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Evidence of your propensity to talk .....

Love,

Site ....

How about i punch you till youre ..... bleeds .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tremulant @ Feb 18 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3. Ceramic composite materials are not permitted for brakes disc or pads.

does this mean back to steel brakes?

if it does then how the hell did this slip under the radar? this is a massive change and should see more passing on the brakes.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Feb 18 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>does this mean back to steel brakes?

if it does then how the hell did this slip under the radar? this is a massive change and should see more passing on the brakes.....



Not from Pedro

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not from Pedro
he'll be the one being passed....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Feb 18 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he'll be the one being passed....



So it looks like 2007 was Dani at his peak and 2009 his last. I'm looking more and more forward to the start of MotoGP. Maybe I have to pay MotoGP.com after all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How about i punch you till youre ..... bleeds .....
What would my ..... have to do with your fear of the future?

Electronics are here, but you wanna go back to carbs and kick starts! Supporting Ezy/FIM as they destroy prototyping and MotoGP in general seems silly. This is not a good start. 800cc weren't a good start either.

Stupid rules which encourage expensive circumvention leads to less competitive racing.

Fuel is technolgy too. Go participate in an marathon or ocean swimming contest if you wanna be a back to basics guy. It's called MOTOR-Sport = technolgy + athleticism + gamesmanship/strategy.

Also, Valentino hates chip controlled throttle cause it reduces his advantage. Just cause a gay man is more sensitive, doesn't mean he deserves an edge!

Just my $.02; I really don't think launch control is going to benefit one rider or another; they all cut their teeth racing without launch control. If it does effect one rider, I could see it maybe effecting Pedrosa but not so much that his light weight doesn't make up for the electronic aid?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What would my ..... have to do with your fear of the future?

Electronics are here, but you wanna go back to carbs and kick starts! Supporting Ezy/FIM as they destroy prototyping and MotoGP in general seems silly. This is not a good start. 800cc weren't a good start either.

Stupid rules which encourage expensive circumvention leads to less competitive racing.

Fuel is technolgy too. Go participate in an marathon or ocean swimming contest if you wanna be a back to basics guy. It's called MOTOR-Sport = technolgy + athleticism + gamesmanship/strategy. Valentino hates chip controlled throttle cause it reduces his advantage. Just cause a gay man is more sensitive, doesn't mean he deserves an edge!

dont be such a drama queen Nancy

OVER use of electronics is the issue here is it not?...with over use of that comes the cost...cause of that cost we have 17 bikes on the grid... When did i say they should go back to carbs???? Dont be stupid.

How about we continue this way and we get rid of ALL the riders...it could be a Super Prototype Racing Series....... they're useing GPS as it is to control power delivery for a said corner...WTF?...you like that??..whats the rider for then??.... Computer controlled ANYTHING is for .......give control back to the riders...if not make it a remote controled race series.

wow this is good ... a step in the right direction all they need to do to make this complete is dust off those 990's

dam i hope the riders will get back full throttle control or atleast half of it cos at the moment the ecu is doing that job.

i think a 2x2 setup is a good comprimise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Feb 18 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>does this mean back to steel brakes?

if it does then how the hell did this slip under the radar? this is a massive change and should see more passing on the brakes.....


the only reason i can think of why they did it, is that with a wet race situation which started out as a dry race, you can change front and rear tires...
because carbon brakes dont work in the rain, you need steel discs at any time...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dont be such a drama queen Nancy

OVER use of electronics is the issue here is it not?...with over use of that comes the cost...cause of that cost we have 17 bikes on the grid... When did i say they should go back to carbs???? Dont be stupid.

How about we continue this way and we get rid of ALL the riders...it could be a Super Prototype Racing Series....... they're useing GPS as it is to control power delivery for a said corner...WTF?...you like that??..whats the rider for then??.... Computer controlled ANYTHING is for .......give control back to the riders...if not make it a remote controled race series.
I have to agree with curve here as much as it pains me to do so. THe electronics in racing has easily watered down the rider input. I remember racers being interviewed in the past regarding this issue and they usually all have the same response and that is to get rid of it. THey all say the TC is really in the right hand. So electronic suspension, GPS is crazy, TC has its place but..., electric bikes are coming and I pray the earth blows up before we have to cowtow the rest of the tree hugging ....... who really think they are saving the earth because of this technology. It is ........ and all of you who support it really need to get a ...... clue.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Feb 18 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>saving the earth because of this technology. It is ........
MMGW is a myth and hydrogen > batteries. I think tech restrictions are a slippery slope focus on the overall themes I posted futher up seems much better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, they went ahead with everything! I think it's crazy. Eventually, WSBK will become more advanced if DORNA keeps these electronics bans in place.
Chip Controlled Throttle, ABS, Electronic Suspension, Traction Control, Carbon Fiber, Exotic Ceramics, and eventually Electric Motorcycles are part of the new reality. I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

I really think FIM should focus on more universally applicable and easily monitorable things to improve the spectable:

Control Tires (FIM should have control of anything that directly touches the track surface, including knee sliders if tech evolves enough)
Rider+Bike Weight Minimums, secret ballot second highest bid, voted on by participating teams
Average and Top Speed Limits, designated by track safety/layout
Self Selected Team Primary Colors - including painted rims, (ever watch a WSBK race and not know who's who cause thery're all in Red&Black with shark fin designs?). At least 1/3 of Rider+Bike must be 1 color
are you ....... stupid? dorna is finally taking a somewhat 180 degree turn in the right way, and you start whining? go play uccio and vale horseriding with lad

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>are you ....... stupid?
Look away from the mirrors when typing, buddy. I'd guess you don't make a living off of racing. If you do, my post isn't really relevant to you.

Banning electronics just means individual rider physical/mental focus skills matter more AND rider setup/team skills matter less. You seem to think MotoGP is about the riders. It's about:

Promoting Consumer Motorcycling
Individual Factory Brand Promotion
R&D -> Promoting Consumer Motorcycling

What makes you wanna ride more? Knowing that only Valentino can get max performance from a bike or being convinced that you too can get maximum performance from a bike because it's built for everyone and easy to use?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look away from the mirrors when typing, buddy. I'd guess you don't make a living off of racing. If you do, my post isn't really relevant to you.

Banning electronics just means individual rider physical/mental focus skills matter more AND rider setup/team skills matter less. You seem to think MotoGP is about the riders. It's about:

Promoting Consumer Motorcycling
Individual Factory Brand Promotion
R&D -> Promoting Consumer Motorcycling

What makes you wanna ride more? Knowing that only Valentino can get max performance from a bike or being convinced that you too can get maximum performance from a bike because it's built for everyone and easy to use?

No..it's about rider and machine... not computer, then machine, then rider...get a clue.... go back to racing hair dryers

Prototype moto-racing wouldn't exist if monetary incentives weren't involved. Factories are in it to sell more bikes. Competition forces the bikes to become more ridable/faster/prettier.

If it's Rider+Machine as you say, then why stop improving the machine? Vale/Casey improve their riding skill every year. The bikes should stagnate?
Arbitrary restrictions on competition techniques just encourage cheating/expnsive circumvention. GP is going down the same road as Financial Services, how many factories do you want to fail? Oops, stupid question... These haphazard rules ignore unintended consequences.


Now bicycle racing is about rider (and the steroids). But how exciting is that?

Asssent ticket offer still stands, but Kayak.com can do you nearly as good if you fly to Adam.

PS. If I ever race my bike for money in a crowded grid, I want launch control.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No..it's about rider and machine... not computer, then machine, then rider...get a clue.... go back to racing hair dryers
Regrettably what Clark says is true - which is why we have the insidious influence of HRC and its inhuman machine like automaton governance, and those Dorna dorks who only care about commercialism and pander to the MSMA. Manufacturers go racing purely to sell bikes. Fortunately we have folk like Vale, and on here Curve who remind where the priorities once were -that bike racing at its purest level should be all about the rider, then the machine. (Tell that to Norge though, who spent all last season battling with that Blu Sens bike with the prehistoric frame)...ok to say rider comes before machine I guess as long as the latest factory kit is availed to you!

WTF is IRTA in all this?