<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 25 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I pick you as an archer, you can draw one hell of a long bow.
What I am saying is that Casey has been content to use his blinding speed, it has simply been available and it has typecast him, not the other way around. That is, he hasn’t really had to race all the time and the only fault that can be levelled is at the other riders who don’t ride fast. It’s really hard to race and battle when you’re 10 seconds clear.
Well, I guess that's fair enough to say. Last year there were few battles, if any really.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The words winner and racer create a subjective distinction - I've used rider/racer as my paradigm in a number of threads for the objectivity. I make the distinction without prescribing some value laden descriptor to each as it hardly serves finer definition and debate.
Fair enough, I don't mind using rider instead of winner. Mind you, "winner" was Stoner's and Pedrosa's label, not Rossi's (racer).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I acknowledge Valentino as the fastest racer and a devilishly fast rider as well, whereas you prescribe some fundamentally flawed and almost pathological attributes to Casey
Wow, where did I do that? I mean where I didn't give Rossi similar attributes? I do think it does take quite a special personality to be a racer at that level. If you consider what I describe to be personalities that are flawed or pathological there's little I can do about that, but I'm curious to what it was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>, who I think is a fantastic rider - perhaps the best technical rider out there. He’s had enough scrapes to earn him the title of a good/great racer already. He’s young and learning, I think you should get used to the idea of him winning titles.
I'm sure he will and it's not with sadness from my side. And you are right that he is allready a good racer. However, at Brno he pushed to hard in the lead. That is often considered unforgivable but my theory is that considering both all his former succesfull run-aways and the race before (LS) he pushed to hard, not unlike what Rossi have done somewhere behind in the field when the leaders pull away, but stoner did it from the lead and the reason is that he trust his rider ability more than his racer ability. Is that fair to say? It's not a huge difference here but if that specific situation had been reversed, Rossi first, Stoner second I suspect Rossi would not have made such an effort to pull away. We might even had seen slightly higher lap times.
What I am saying is that Casey has been content to use his blinding speed, it has simply been available and it has typecast him, not the other way around. That is, he hasn’t really had to race all the time and the only fault that can be levelled is at the other riders who don’t ride fast. It’s really hard to race and battle when you’re 10 seconds clear.
Well, I guess that's fair enough to say. Last year there were few battles, if any really.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The words winner and racer create a subjective distinction - I've used rider/racer as my paradigm in a number of threads for the objectivity. I make the distinction without prescribing some value laden descriptor to each as it hardly serves finer definition and debate.
Fair enough, I don't mind using rider instead of winner. Mind you, "winner" was Stoner's and Pedrosa's label, not Rossi's (racer).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I acknowledge Valentino as the fastest racer and a devilishly fast rider as well, whereas you prescribe some fundamentally flawed and almost pathological attributes to Casey
Wow, where did I do that? I mean where I didn't give Rossi similar attributes? I do think it does take quite a special personality to be a racer at that level. If you consider what I describe to be personalities that are flawed or pathological there's little I can do about that, but I'm curious to what it was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>, who I think is a fantastic rider - perhaps the best technical rider out there. He’s had enough scrapes to earn him the title of a good/great racer already. He’s young and learning, I think you should get used to the idea of him winning titles.
I'm sure he will and it's not with sadness from my side. And you are right that he is allready a good racer. However, at Brno he pushed to hard in the lead. That is often considered unforgivable but my theory is that considering both all his former succesfull run-aways and the race before (LS) he pushed to hard, not unlike what Rossi have done somewhere behind in the field when the leaders pull away, but stoner did it from the lead and the reason is that he trust his rider ability more than his racer ability. Is that fair to say? It's not a huge difference here but if that specific situation had been reversed, Rossi first, Stoner second I suspect Rossi would not have made such an effort to pull away. We might even had seen slightly higher lap times.
