Laguna Seca Race **Spoiler**

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jul 29 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]81976[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats only because Doohan finished before Rossi entered.

I don't rate Doohan he won all 5 championships with the best team of that Era.

At least Rossi went and did the unthinkable and won first championship for Yamaha for many years.

You don't rate Doohan? Hahahahahaha! Doohan was an absolute master of the 500cc two stroke monster. If it hadn't of been for his crippling injury in 1992 he would have won seven titles in a row against some of the best riders ever! Again I'm laughing at how silly you are!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jul 29 2007, 02:35 AM) [snapback]81976[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats only because Doohan finished before Rossi entered.

I don't rate Doohan he won all 5 championships with the best team of that Era.

At least Rossi went and did the unthinkable and won first championship for Yamaha for many years.


I think that Doohan was at least as good a Honda rider as Rossi, but as you said Rossi has to be given particular credit for his 2 Yamaha championships, especially the first.

One can argue about the chicken and the egg regarding the Honda dominance in Mick Doohan's era, as Yamaha and Honda were fairly competitive until the advent of Doohan. Even if it is conceded that the Honda was the fastest bike, it was an absolute beast and nobody except Mick seemed to be able to set it up and ride it, and even then only barely as his injuries attest.

That said , I think Rossi is more of a pure racer than Doohan and more entertaining overall. Mick was more about dominating every session and totally destroying all opposition rather than winning races by bravura performances from well back on the grid on inferior machinery as Rossi has done on multiple occasions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jul 29 2007, 03:35 AM) [snapback]81976[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats only because Doohan finished before Rossi entered.

I don't rate Doohan he won all 5 championships with the best team of that Era.

At least Rossi went and did the unthinkable and won first championship for Yamaha for many years.


I'm not gonna spare too much time for someone who doesn't rate doohan, hes not far behind Rossi imo. Mick made Rainey look inconsistent and made Schwantz look slow, thats all there is to know about him. Of course doohan was with the best team/bike combo when he won but as i mentioned the other day i can only think of two seasons in recent history when that hasn't been the case.

The great thing about Doohan was his will to absolutely destroy the opposition! I know if you weren't a fan the races weren't the most exciting but to see someone come back from his horrific injuries and see someone's pure will to win in such dominating fashion over half a decade was fantastic to watch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Jul 29 2007, 07:48 AM) [snapback]81992[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The great thing about Doohan was his will to absolutely destroy the opposition! I know if you weren't a fan the races weren't the most exciting but to see someone come back from his horrific injuries and see someone's pure will to win in such dominating fashion over half a decade was fantastic to watch.


I entirely agree. I wasn't saying I didn't find it entertaining, but as you said it probably wasn't very enjoyable for non-Doohan fans.

I'm not gonna react.

Rossi and Doohan were two completely different riders, with different styles and different competition.

They both have overcome their feats but to say that you don't rate Doohan is blasphemy IMO. Rossi himself rates him....?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jul 29 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]81976[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats only because Doohan finished before Rossi entered.

I don't rate Doohan he won all 5 championships with the best team of that Era.

At least Rossi went and did the unthinkable and won first championship for Yamaha for many years.


What a joke ... you don't rate Doohan! That would be exactly the same as someone saying they don't rate Rossi .... just a stupid comment that would be impossible to defend!

Well I've been away a bit so I figure I'd start here.

I was disappointed in this race being that the top two Americans' Hayden and Hopkins were out so quickly. It’s a racing incident of course; but as usual, these incidents are caused by mistakes. In this case it was Stoner who set in motion, by missing the first apex, a detrimental reaction for Hayden and Hopkins. That sucked.

As far as the race winner, Stoner dominated the entire weekend. So he deserved the win.

Vermuelen was also outstanding. Its amazing how he runs so well at Laguna in the dry but can't seem to manage a consistent top effort at other tracks.

What can I say about Melandri. The guy was truly the grunt-hero of the weekend. I was about 50 meters from where he came off his bike and saw it with my own eyes. And I can tell you my heart sank as I thought he wouldn't get up. His body tossed like a rag doll. But to come back and race and post a podium finish is amazing.

Other notables:

Rossi--fair effort.
Pedrosa--fair effort.
Edwards--not impressed.
Duhamel—not impressed


Roger Lee--very impressed. I usually first post my impressions then go back and read the thread, but since I'd been away so long I figured I'd read first. I started to read a few of the posts on this thread and only got through the first page and was fired up enough to just begin posting. I guess I'll go back and read through it more, but I came across a few that said Roger Lee and the AMA were not impressive. Well. Well. It seems to me that if you were not impressed by Roger Lee's performance, that says more about what you don't know about racing than his actual performance or the AMA. Consider that he had just come off winning on his 600cc street-like bike and then jumped on a MotoGP bike that makes almost twice the horsepower not to mention the world of difference in handling and output characteristics, then I'd say Roger Lee was most impressive. Negotiating the machine is the first task and negotiating the track is the second. Consider that he basically had close to zero time on the GP bike; it was amazing he did as good as he did. As far as what that says about the AMA, well ignorance can be alleviated by knowledge, but it doesn’t do much for stupidity.

Moving on:

Hayden and Hopkins were poised to do well in this one. What could have been we will never know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Jul 24 2007, 04:55 AM) [snapback]81078[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
im sure he does have some true fans somewhere...

funny thing is i cant remember a single stoner fan back then posting in his defense but now he is leading the championship he has "fans"coming out the woodwork so you see where the bandwagon jumper has come from most of the stoners fans on the forum are new members or ex hayden fans. so if the shoe fits !

Hi Rog, I'm back buddy. Hope you been well.

Why must you drag Hayden fans in on this? I count most the Hayden fans from last year still here and rooting/defending him why he is certainly down.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 24 2007, 12:54 PM) [snapback]81170[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
but its good to have an example of what AMA front runner can do when given a bike worthy of a podium! HAHAHAHA

Does this mean we should throw out all the positions starting from 11 down the order in GP since Roger Lee came in 10th? I've been away buddy, but its nice to know you haven't gotten any smarter regarding the AMA. Do you understand the difference between a superbike and a MotoGP prototype? Yeah, that was a real measure of aptitude. Put a guy on a machine that makes almost twice the horsepower he is regularly use to then put him on his neighborhood street. Does that make him suddenly an expert on the rocket because he's in his neighborhood? Please....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(basspete @ Jul 25 2007, 03:37 AM) [snapback]81253[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There was a noticeable change at the start of the season, and folks who last year were singing about Nicky constantly, became die hard Casey fans. I cant remember names off the top of my head, but there was a definate surge in support for Casey from folks who'd never mentioned him before.

This lead to the whole "bandwagon" stuff, coz quite a few of us thought it was hilarious how quickly people jumped ship fae Hayboy to Stoner.


Hi Pete. Nice to read from you buddy. I hope you've been well.

Interested to know who are the Benedict Arnolds? I don't recall any proper “Hayden fans” turning red coat. But I have seen an influx of new Stoner/Aussie fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 16 2007, 06:29 AM) [snapback]84963[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Does this mean we should throw out all the positions starting from 11 down the order in GP since Roger Lee came in 10th? I've been away buddy, but its nice to know you haven't gotten any smarter regarding the AMA. Do you understand the difference between a superbike and a MotoGP prototype? Yeah, that was a real measure of aptitude. Put a guy on a machine that makes almost twice the horsepower he is regularly use to then put him on his neighborhood street. Does that make him suddenly an expert on the rocket because he's in his neighborhood? Please....


Hey man, no doubt RL Hayden did a fantastic job, but it has to be considered that Laguna is a very particular race track and Chaz Davies did an equally convincing job despite having no previous experience. I was just amused by Miguels attempt at motogp being even worse than i had predicted even though i was being sceptical. They should have kept using Fabrizio, who in my opinion is better than nay rider in AMA superbike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 16 2007, 05:47 AM) [snapback]84959[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
As far as what that says about the AMA, well ignorance can be alleviated by knowledge, but it doesn’t do much for stupidity.



Its common knowledge that the AMA gave us Nicky Hayden, enough said