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LAGUNA SECA GP 2013: RACE (Spoilers)

stiefel
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So, is it now officially legal to pass your opponents outside the track? 2008 set the precent and, entirely against what I have come to expect of them, race direction were actually consistent in raising no concerns whatsoever.


Are we now going to see overtakings involving run-off areas and escape roads? Is Hector Barbera going to win a race by making a 180 at the end of the straight to go backwards through the pit lane and back out onto the straight at the pit entry 27 times?


Or is it only allright when it makes for good television?


 


Have you even read the rulebook?
 
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Have you even read the rulebook?
 
Nah, you posted it, so I figured it's safe to ignore.

EDIT: Ooops, accidentally outed myself as someone occasionally reading the comment section on mm.
 
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Have you even read the rulebook?
 
But hey, since your irony meter is broken anyway (isn't that ironic?), I may also pose the obvious serious response: would Marquez have been able to hold his position in front of Rossi (and let's for the sake of simplicity ignore that Rossi overcooked and cut the corner himself) had he stayed within track limits?
 
Kropotkin
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Have you even read the rulebook?


I have not, but i would guess that  its like any other rule book as far as passing out of bounds. If you are forced out of bounds, there is no penalty, and clearly, Rossi forced Marquez  out of bounds. Totally different scenario to 2008. Rossi then cut the track  to keep or gain an advantage without being forced there by another rider
 
stiefel
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But hey, since your irony meter is broken anyway (isn't that ironic?), I may also pose the obvious serious response: would Marquez have been able to hold his position in front of Rossi (and let's for the sake of simplicity ignore that Rossi overcooked and cut the corner himself) had he stayed within track limits?


I beleive he would. He would have had inside position at the bottom of the corkscrew. Thats where he more than likely had figured to complete the pass when he went outside up top
 
@Kropotkin, question for you mate, Seen few riders giong out side the white lines on purpose on couple of tracks. Does rulebook mention anything about that?
 
povol
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I have not, but i would guess that  its like any other rule book as far as passing out of bounds. If you are forced out of bounds, there is no penalty, and clearly, Rossi forced Marquez  out of bounds. Totally different scenario to 2008. Rossi then cut the track  to keep or gain an advantage without being forced there by another rider


 


RTFM.
 
inam
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@Kropotkin, question for you mate, Seen few riders giong out side the white lines on purpose on couple of tracks. Does rulebook mention anything about that?


RTFM.
 
stiefel
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But hey, since your irony meter is broken anyway (isn't that ironic?), I may also pose the obvious serious response: would Marquez have been able to hold his position in front of Rossi (and let's for the sake of simplicity ignore that Rossi overcooked and cut the corner himself) had he stayed within track limits?


 


I think PS is kryptonite for irony meters.
 
stiefel
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AMFQT.



(answer my ....... question then).


 


 


If my aunt had possessed a ..... and two testicles, she would have been my uncle. The question is irrelevant. The rulebook is absolutely clear.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!
 
He said "spirit of the law"....
How's about sharing the joke with the rest of us? Should give you some extra opportunity to skirt the issue, in any case.
 
stiefel
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 How's about sharing the joke with the rest of us? Should give you some extra opportunity to skirt the issue, in any case.


 


There is no such thing as the spirit of the law. The FIM publishes the rulebook, and all of the teams and riders must abide by the letter of the law. The spirit of the law is totally unenforceable.
 
stiefel
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 Then why didn't he?


Not sure what your asking. Why didnt he stay on the track?. That has been answered, he was forced off by Rossi who visibly altered his line once he realized what was happening.
 
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There is no such thing as the spirit of the law. The FIM publishes the rulebook, and all of the teams and riders must abide by the letter of the law. The spirit of the law is totally unenforceable.
 
Yes, sport regulations are usually exploited by strict adherence to the letter of the law, especially but not exclusively in motorsports (allthough this does not imply that the spirit of the law is "totally unenforcable" [see F1], just that is difficult [see F1]).

Now, let's take it to an extreme example. Imagine a rider passing another rider approaching a chicane. Rider A brakes to make the corner, rider B doesn't and uses the escape road. B is ahead of A before A actually enters the corner, and before B leaves the track. RTFM?
 

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