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Not so sure about that digger , I'm 99% sure he uses 3 fingers. Remember that cause everyone else is using either 2 or 4
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I think VR deliberately widened his line just a bit. Might not be ultra-elegant, but that's racing. Unfortunately for him, MM was all but impressed by that and still passed him on the line he was forced to take. Anyway, for me the scene of the race was in lap 2 (I believe) when MM, VR and Bautista came three-wide up the hill towards the corkscrew and MM's bike would just buckle in between them before gaining while wheeling insanely. Maruqez never reminded me so much of Stoner (style-wise) like today.
I really, really feel happy for Bradl, finally breaking his duck. On thing that should be noted, as people speak about the pressure applied to him by being under the threat of losing his seat: German TV (Sport1 with Alex Hoffmann) wasn't present at Laguna. Stefan always takes a lot of time answering their stupid questions, often also on the starting grid. Maybe it played a part that he had no 'home' media to deal with and could focus more on the job ahead. Just thinkin'.
Great race, really enjoyed it.
I really, really feel happy for Bradl, finally breaking his duck. On thing that should be noted, as people speak about the pressure applied to him by being under the threat of losing his seat: German TV (Sport1 with Alex Hoffmann) wasn't present at Laguna. Stefan always takes a lot of time answering their stupid questions, often also on the starting grid. Maybe it played a part that he had no 'home' media to deal with and could focus more on the job ahead. Just thinkin'.
Great race, really enjoyed it.
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digger
Yeah. I know about the 4 fingers...ahem. It was more to draw attention to it when (if) you watch the footage), you can see how very late he gets off the brakes - over the rumblestrip.
Anyway, I should have typed that better. He looks to be running the brakes riiiight up to the strip. If not overcooked, at least beyond a nice medium-rare.
Yeah. I know about the 4 fingers...ahem. It was more to draw attention to it when (if) you watch the footage), you can see how very late he gets off the brakes - over the rumblestrip.
Anyway, I should have typed that better. He looks to be running the brakes riiiight up to the strip. If not overcooked, at least beyond a nice medium-rare.
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Well it could very well be that he changed his style and is actually using all 4by now
Maybe someone more knowledgeable can confirm this?
Arrab to the stage please
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Well it could very well be that he changed his style and is actually using all 4by now
Maybe someone more knowledgeable can confirm this?
Arrab to the stage please
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I'd fill in for Arab here but I haven't actually seen the race yet. From these posts, though I'd be interested to see how Arab's magazine says Rossi got all 4 fingers on the back brake!!! any finger for that matter :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well it could very well be that he changed his style and is actually using all 4by now
Maybe someone more knowledgeable can confirm this?
Arrab to the stage please
I'd fill in for Arab here but I haven't actually seen the race yet. From these posts, though I'd be interested to see how Arab's magazine says Rossi got all 4 fingers on the back brake!!! any finger for that matter :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Norah Head
Ok I've seen "the incident" ......... WTF are you'all on about 4 fingers on the brake!??? I see a few fingers ..... then four fingers hard on the bars as he releases the brake and flips it over to the right.
As to the Incident itself .......... meh just Rossi unable to ride the corkscrew again ....... lets face it theres only so much ambition will allow you to try andkeep with the talented guys there.
As to the Incident itself .......... meh just Rossi unable to ride the corkscrew again ....... lets face it theres only so much ambition will allow you to try andkeep with the talented guys there.
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Only in your dreams barry
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Only in your dreams barry
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Norah Head
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Yes I suppose you would be right .......... me asleep and snoring V's arab wide awake and giving us his knowledge ............. good match :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yes I suppose you would be right .......... me asleep and snoring V's arab wide awake and giving us his knowledge ............. good match :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Rossi and Marquez both went in too fast. Rossi took his good old 2008 "emergency" lane just a couple of inches inside the edge of the curb, probably thinking that was enough to oblige Marquez to either brake more or go wide, but Marquez surprised him by diving even more to the inside. It takes supreme guts and talent to do that. In 2008, with that line, he would have passed both Rossi and Stoner in one go! Bravo!
Looking at the pictures, I see that there was almost no dirt in that area this year, while in 2008 it was dirtier and so a little trickier. I saw pics of Marquez on a scooter two days ago inspecting just that same area, very attentively! He might have had the idea lurking in a corner of his mind.
Rossi told Marqeuz he should pay him royalties since he's copying all his passes, and Marc said he will. That's the attitude. A funny aspect of all this is that all the highbrows who were so verbose about "dangerous racing" back in 2008, now happily chirp about supposed paybacks -- showing that their real concern has never been danger nor safety, anyway.
The rest of us can just enjoy the racing, now as in 2008.
And thank God for Marc Marquez.
Looking at the pictures, I see that there was almost no dirt in that area this year, while in 2008 it was dirtier and so a little trickier. I saw pics of Marquez on a scooter two days ago inspecting just that same area, very attentively! He might have had the idea lurking in a corner of his mind.
Rossi told Marqeuz he should pay him royalties since he's copying all his passes, and Marc said he will. That's the attitude. A funny aspect of all this is that all the highbrows who were so verbose about "dangerous racing" back in 2008, now happily chirp about supposed paybacks -- showing that their real concern has never been danger nor safety, anyway.
The rest of us can just enjoy the racing, now as in 2008.
And thank God for Marc Marquez.
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Regarding the comment about concerns for safety. There's quite a difference between the trajectory Rossi had coming back onto the track with regards to where Stoner was, and the trajectory Marquez had regarding to where Rossi was yesterday.
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Rossi and Marquez both went in too fast. Rossi took his good old 2008 "emergency" lane just a couple of inches inside the edge of the curb, probably thinking that was enough to oblige Marquez to either brake more or go wide, but Marquez surprised him by diving even more to the inside. It takes guts to do that. In 2008, with that line, he would have passed both Rossi and Stoner in one go! Bravo!
Looking at the pictures, I see that there was almost no dirt in that area this year, while in 2008 it was dirtier and so a little trickier. I saw pics of Marquez on a scooter two days ago inspecting just that same area! He might have had it in its mind.
Rossi told Marqeuz he should pay him royalties since he's copying all his passes, and Marc said he will. The funny aspect of this is that all the highbrows who were so verbose about "dangerous racing" back in 2008, now happily chirp about supposed paybacks -- showing that their real concern has never been danger nor safety, anyway.
The rest of us can just enjoy the racing, now as in 2008.
And thank God for Marc Marquez.
Regarding the comment about concerns for safety. There's quite a difference between the trajectory Rossi had coming back onto the track with regards to where Stoner was, and the trajectory Marquez had regarding to where Rossi was yesterday.
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The rider who finds himself overtaken can decide whether releasing the brakes and try resisting the pass, or keep hold of them when he sees that it's too late and resisting would be dangerous (that is, when the other one is already in front - i.e. when he can see him clearly). Rossi instinctively released the brakes when he saw Marc popping up at his right, but when he saw Marc diving even more to the inside of the curb he grabbed them again and didn't try to resist too much.
J4rn0
I believe Rossi may have gone into the Corkscrew too hot in 2008 as well. Stoner didn't which I think was rather the point.
Someone elsewhere has raised the theory that Marquez knew he could pass Rossi fairly easily anywhere and premeditated doing so in this manner at the Corkscrew for the sheer spectacle of it; I believe they call it "posterising" in American basketball.
I actually don't know whether Rossi on either occasion or Marquez on the second occasion did anything illegal. What he did was never going to result in Rossi being torpedoed, however.
I believe Rossi may have gone into the Corkscrew too hot in 2008 as well. Stoner didn't which I think was rather the point.
Someone elsewhere has raised the theory that Marquez knew he could pass Rossi fairly easily anywhere and premeditated doing so in this manner at the Corkscrew for the sheer spectacle of it; I believe they call it "posterising" in American basketball.
I actually don't know whether Rossi on either occasion or Marquez on the second occasion did anything illegal. What he did was never going to result in Rossi being torpedoed, however.
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So, is it now officially legal to pass your opponents outside the track? 2008 set the precent and, entirely against what I have come to expect of them, race direction were actually consistent in raising no concerns whatsoever.
Are we now going to see overtakings involving run-off areas and escape roads? Is Hector Barbera going to win a race by making a 180 at the end of the straight to go backwards through the pit lane and back out onto the straight at the pit entry 27 times?
Or is it only allright when it makes for good television?
Are we now going to see overtakings involving run-off areas and escape roads? Is Hector Barbera going to win a race by making a 180 at the end of the straight to go backwards through the pit lane and back out onto the straight at the pit entry 27 times?
Or is it only allright when it makes for good television?
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Michael you made my point before I got to it. .complete spectacle. MM as previously mentioned was on a scooter looking at that very spot. When I saw that I suspected something was up his sleeve. He had no hesitation on taking the offroad line. He knew the line that would take him thru safely. He did a Rossi in more ways then one. He offroaded to make a corkscrew pass and in turn knew it would solidify his legend and be talked about for years. Hes obviously a student of Rossi marketing 101. Not once all weekend did VR have the same pace as him so why would he choose to pass him in that spot?
Michael you made my point before I got to it. .complete spectacle. MM as previously mentioned was on a scooter looking at that very spot. When I saw that I suspected something was up his sleeve. He had no hesitation on taking the offroad line. He knew the line that would take him thru safely. He did a Rossi in more ways then one. He offroaded to make a corkscrew pass and in turn knew it would solidify his legend and be talked about for years. Hes obviously a student of Rossi marketing 101. Not once all weekend did VR have the same pace as him so why would he choose to pass him in that spot?
Good ride by Bradle there, Marquez, well nothing was going to stop him it seemed.
I am sure Pedrosa gained something by passing Lorenzo on track but did you see the pair of them afterwards? Talk about wiped out, they're going to need every day of the next three weeks to get healthy and fit again I reckon.
Cal was really slow today sadly, he admitted it was a bad race for him. Rossi made a hell of a start but once he'd been Marquezed he seemed to drop back, he did well to keep Bautista behind him at the end.
I am sure Pedrosa gained something by passing Lorenzo on track but did you see the pair of them afterwards? Talk about wiped out, they're going to need every day of the next three weeks to get healthy and fit again I reckon.
Cal was really slow today sadly, he admitted it was a bad race for him. Rossi made a hell of a start but once he'd been Marquezed he seemed to drop back, he did well to keep Bautista behind him at the end.
