<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 23 2009, 08:41 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie never denied or questioned special tyres thing in any of my post, if i did please provide the link ...
OK, inam, I’m gonna do you this last favor. Keep in mind its no longer fun for me to crush every point you and Talpa make (which is undistinguishable to yours since you about have the same level of comprehension). And again, as you can go back in these threads, I have debunked and answered every issue and non-issue you guys bring up. But here I go one last time.
Inam, try and follow along, read slowly if you need to, and re-read if you have to, but please keep up; here is Talpa’s take on Rossi’s “special” tires:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Aug 22 2009, 01:48 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where do you get these points from Jum? Is this based on printed or known/
delusional fact?
Basically he’s questioning the fact as delusional.
So after I reply he back pedals and agree that yes Rossi got "special tires", but look at how he missed the point: He says they are special because they are hard but he fails (as you do) to understand that special means 'tailored exclusively for him' which makes it an
advantage. Just because you and him REFUSE to accept its rather 'unfair' does not make you boys correct.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>explain to us the origin's of your 'preferential treatment theories' and so on....I said Colin was quoted in an interview saying 'Rossi's specials are too hard for me to race on' Does this make them special-yes,
does this give VR an unfair advantage-to me no
(Btw, you two are not the only ones missing this point, as I recall Parc Ferme also tried to make this above point).
Now here is you agreeing with his takes:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 22 2009, 01:50 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
+1 again Talpa for your post mate, you have covered all the points in your post although some times its not easy to reply to the post which are full of
self generated facts.
You are questioning the facts too.
Now when you do this I treat you as the same poster since you are in agreement, so my replies are there for both.
Ok, now notice how he first questions my facts (of which you agreed, so its like you writing it). But then he mentions his quote of
Colin sighting Rossi’s “special” tires. He (and you) are
questioning this ‘preferential treatment’ while still sighting that Colin mentions them. So you guys either don’t understand and can’t follow the logic or don’t believe it. (Perhaps both). Now
when Colin mentions the “special” tires, he is NOT saying they are simply ‘different’ but he is saying ithey were “specially” made for Rossi--tailored specifically for him. In other words, not everybody gets this exclusive treatment. That is called “preferential treatment’. (If I require something different to perform, and I call the person making the product and they are willing to make a “special” specification for my needs ONLY <while excluding others getting this sort of treatment> that is called “preferential treatment”). Do you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard!!!????
OWNED
So to recap:
1. You just asked me to link/quote you where you question the “special” tires thing. If you follow along above you will see you did with your “+1 of Talpa”. (In other words, if Talpa is wrong then that makes you wrong.)
Allow me to remind you:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 23 2009, 08:41 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie
never denied or questioned special tyres thing in any of my post, if i did please provide the link
I think I just did...
See how I own you in this debate? Ok, moving on…
2. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 23 2009, 08:41 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not a big fan of CS but i do admire his talent and would like to see him fully fit in future, what he has done on ducati is remarkable
but the problem starts when you and few other start saying that he is good as Rossi or he is equal to Rossi.
No,
the problem starts when a few members like you and Talpa started to underhandedly question Stoner’s accomplishment by saying a number of reasons why he was
aided by some advantage in the title (even if now you both try and say how much you respect it). Then people like me start to challenge you and debunk every point and counter point.
That… is where the problem starts!
Oh, and it has nothing to do with people saying Stoner equates Rossi. Nobody credible says things like that in reference to a career. You guys just have a problem accepting that Stoner accomplished something so admirable as to lend some compares to Rossi accomplishments. You guys just can't stand that somebody other than Rossi accomplished something extraordinary, something great, something fantastic. So what happens, you boys turn to several tired tactics: 1. Stoner had some advantage, 2. well, its not as great as Rossi 04, 3. Rossi had inferior something, etc. etc. Sound familiar? As I said, you boys are not the first. I think Austin said it much better than me, look up his take on the never ending matter of Ross vs. (insert whoever here).
It always ends the same. After you run into a buzz saw and realize your underhanded comments were not going to go quietly unchallenged, then you guys start saying that you “respect” his (Stoner’s) accomplishments as “remarkable” etc. etc. but still slip in some “advantage” they had as an after dig. Can’t you see that when you say its an “advantage” that leaves you open for me to remind you of all the glaring “advantages” your hero had? Even if you now qualify it by back-pedaling a bit and say it wasn’t an “unfair” advantage. As if that makes it all better to diminish the accomplishment. Now don’t try and say that was not your intention, since as I said, you are just two in a long list of members who have debated this issue and failed, frankly you are very late to the party, as this was the never ending theme last year.
Anyway, no need to quote the rest of your post since it seems you are coming around, albeit slowly, and after much pushback from me and other excellent posters.
Here is a smile for you guys.
(don't take any of the debating personal, its just silly racing opinions, so I really don't mind if your wrong).
