Jerez Tests - 27th 29th November

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Stoner, Pedrosa and Rossi... sounds familiar

Stoner was on the 2008 bike, which is not a completely new bike but the same one with engine and chassis modifications. Preziosi said Ducati is not Honda and can not afford to make a new bike every year.

Preziosi also said that under the present rules (800cc - 21 liters of fuel) there is little room for further engine development. They expect that, after Honda, the other manufacturers will also reach Ducati's level in this area. So the direction of development will have to be driveability (frame, tyres and electronics).

Pedrosa seems to have tested both the 2007 and 2008 bikes.

Rossi used the 2007 bike and said "We are testing the new tyres and everything seems to proceed well. Later on we will concentrate on the engine".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alex29 @ Nov 27 2007, 10:44 AM) [snapback]102457[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes he's official Ducati test rider.
14. Canepa (Ducati) 1.42.666 (67) is not bad in this company...

Isn't Canepa like 20 yrs old? He is damn young to be a test rider!

Surely it's not his permanent job and they are just giving him experience/seeing what he can do? And he'll be in supersport or something next season?

So far looks like adapting to a new machine for Melandri is harder than the rookies adapting to new class and new bike...time will tell.

On the first day of testing Hopkins is 2 seconds faster than West. Is West injured, how is his bruising??

Rossi is quick on B'stones already!

Bit of an analysis on difference between Jerez beginning 07 and with new setups/team/ride at end of 07 ...

The time at the end is

+ ..... improved seconds

- ...... went worse seconds



Lap times at 5.30 PM

1. Stoner (Ducati) 1.40.221 (35 laps) .......... + 1.222 seconds
2. Pedrosa (Honda) 1.40.355 (60) ........... + 0.659
3. Rossi (Yamaha) 1.40.514 (56) ............ + 0.391
4. Edwards (Yamaha) 1.40.790 (47) ........... + 0.384
5. Hayden (Honda) 1.40.923 (63) ............ + 0.518
6. De Angelis (Honda) 1.41.111 (58)
7. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1.41.230 (90)
8. Nakano (Honda) 1.41.277 (65) ................. + 0.747
9. De Puniet (Honda) 1.41.313 (79) .............. + 0.654
10. Hopkins (Kawasaki) 1.41.414 (49) .......... - 0.476
11. Toseland (Yamaha) 1.41.776 (69)
12. Melandri (Ducati) 1.41.889 (62) .............. - 0.586
13. Dovizioso (Honda) 1.42.033 (60)
14. Canepa (Ducati) 1.42.666 (67)
15. Okada (Honda) 1.43.051 (42)
16. West (Kawasaki) 1.43.576 (73)
17. Itoh (Ducati) 1.44.530 (50)
18. Guareschi 8Ducati) 1.44.588 (51)

I realised I could include the 250 guys change from 250 to 800 .... but

One thing is for sure!! don't change bikes!! LOL .... no well its obvious its the hardest change to cope with. Would be good to see the effect at the end of Jerez Race 08.

Changing tyres to Bridgestone may seem a bit ... meh ... but he is also injured so can't see that Jerez is going to be any real indication.

And Nakano!! ..... well maybe he fell asleep at Jerez 07 race LOL

Hayden and Pedrosa pretty simillar improve on 08 bike.

Stoner ..... 08 bike is dynamite! that or he has learned a lot since early 07?? LOL

So really De Puniet is the one who doesn't fit the mold!! ... new bike team etc. and still going faster!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Fizz @ Nov 28 2007, 03:26 AM) [snapback]102423[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Wow. That is impressive stuff by James. He is even beating Marco Melendri and he is on a Ducati bike. I am stunned and shocked about those results so far. Go James.

ducati isnt the best bike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 28 2007, 02:48 PM) [snapback]102490[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ducati isnt the best bike



I don't know .... if you get the mean of the Ducati performance its almost as good as the Hondas ...... twice as good as the Yamahas!! ..... but nobody gets close to Nakano's Honda!!

Statistics are fun

i would just like to quote for the record that Rossi has said his bike is handling very well.

so that end of the year, when he losses again, whoever to, he cant make up excuses again

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 27 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]102432[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
2. Pedrosa (Honda) 1.40.355 (60)
5. Hayden (Honda) 1.40.923 (63)


So did Dani not going to Sepang 2 weeks ago make that much of diference for him and his speed? Nope!

Did Nicky by going to Sepang and being the 'hardest' working test mule in the business make that much of difference for him? Nope!

Dani is faster, and did only 3 less laps.

Who do you think HRC will make sure the 2008 bike works for Dani or Nicky?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 28 2007, 07:56 AM) [snapback]102501[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i would just like to quote for the record that Rossi has said his bike is handling very well.

so that end of the year, when he losses again, whoever to, he cant make up excuses again

dont forget rossi was on the 07 bike in this test

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Rossi used the 2007 bike and said "We are testing the new tyres and everything seems to proceed well. Later on we will concentrate on the engine".


Not to bad for an over the top, unadjustable, injured old dog

The yamaha has a good chassi and it probably won't change much, so if the japanese could focus on the engine and and the electronics and get those right they might have something.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 28 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]102501[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i would just like to quote for the record that Rossi has said his bike is handling very well.

so that end of the year, when he losses again, whoever to, he cant make up excuses again


Just for the record: 125s are better handling than any MotoGP.

If I just could figure out why they aren't faster as well......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 28 2007, 09:38 AM) [snapback]102502[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So did Dani not going to Sepang 2 weeks ago make that much of diference for him and his speed? Nope!

Did Nicky by going to Sepang and being the 'hardest' working test mule in the business make that much of difference for him? Nope!

Dani is faster, and did only 3 less laps.

Who do you think HRC will make sure the 2008 bike works for Dani or Nicky?


I find the whole debate amusing.
The one rider that notably laps less than any other is Stoner.
Typicaly the slower rider unable to set the bike up.
So I guess it must be true then, the more laps the better development rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 28 2007, 09:29 AM) [snapback]102504[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I find the whole debate amusing.
The one rider that notably laps less than any other is Stoner.
Typicaly the slower rider unable to set the bike up.

You make an interesting point about Stoner and set up.
Did he struggle to set up and was forced to more and more laps on the RC211v in 2006?
Or did he do as he does now by pulling it out the box, jumps on it, and rides it fast?
If I understand your point he should have struggled in 2006.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 28 2007, 09:29 AM) [snapback]102504[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So I guess it must be true then, the more laps the better development rider.

I think you mean the more laps you need the less good input you are able to give for development and so need more laps to understand the problem than someone that can do less laps and goes faster based on the minimal direct input.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Nov 27 2007, 11:07 AM) [snapback]102439[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you think everything is ........!


Oh thats ........

Times people!!!!

MotoGP - Test Jerez - DAY2 (ore 14.30)
1. Pedrosa (Honda) 1.40.651 (23)
2. De Puniet (Honda) 1.40.820 (49)
3. Stoner (Ducati) 1.40.833 (giri 32)
4. Edwards (Yamaha) 1.40.838 (29)
5. Rossi (Yamaha) 1.40.883 (39)
6. Hayden (Honda) 1.41.064 (37)
7. Hopkins (Kawasaki) 1.41.074 (43)
8. Toseland (Yamaha) 1.41.563 (28)
9. Nakano (Honda) 1.41.588 (35)
10. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1.41.632 (24)
11. Dovizioso (Honda) 1.41.689 (37)
12. De Angelis (Honda) 1.41.882 (33)
13. West (Kawasaki) 1.441.966 (33)
14. Melandri (Ducati) 1.42. 045 (44)
15. Canepa (Ducati) 1.42.188 (23)
16. Okada (Honda) 1.43.143 (35)
17. Guareschi (Ducati) 1.43.900 (20)
18. Itoh (Ducati) 1.44.873 (22)

MotoGP - Test Jerez - Day 2 ore 12.45)
1. Stoner (Ducati) 1.40.833 (giri 14)
2. Edwards (Yamaha) 1.40.838 (19)
3. Hopkins (Kawasaki) 1.41.074
4. Rossi (Yamaha) 1.41.370 (14)
5. De Puniet (Honda) 1.41.489 (28)
6. Toseland (Yamaha) 1.41.563 (21)
7. Hayden (Honda) 1.41.572 (14)
8. De Angelis (Honda) 1.41.882 (16)
9. West (Kawasaki) 1.441.966 (16)
10. Pedrosa (Honda) 1.42.018 (4)
11. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1.42.029 (7)
12. Canepa (Ducati) 1.42.188 (16)
13. Nakano (Honda) 1.42.196 (15)
14. Melandri (Ducati) 1.42. 464 (20)
15. Dovizioso (Honda) 1.42. 678 (15)
16. Okada (Honda) 1.43.434 (17)
17. Guareschi (Ducati) 1.44.145 (11)
18. Itoh (Ducati) 1.44.873 (17)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(acqua @ Nov 28 2007, 02:45 PM) [snapback]102528[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
MotoGP - Test Jerez - DAY2 (ore 14.30)
1. Pedrosa (Honda) 1.40.651 (23)
2. De Puniet (Honda) 1.40.820 (49)
3. Stoner (Ducati) 1.40.833 (giri 32)
4. Edwards (Yamaha) 1.40.838 (29)
5. Rossi (Yamaha) 1.40.883 (39)
6. Hayden (Honda) 1.41.064 (37)
7. Hopkins (Kawasaki) 1.41.074 (43)
8. Toseland (Yamaha) 1.41.563 (28)
9. Nakano (Honda) 1.41.588 (35)
10. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1.41.632 (24)
11. Dovizioso (Honda) 1.41.689 (37)
12. De Angelis (Honda) 1.41.882 (33)
13. West (Kawasaki) 1.441.966 (33)
14. Melandri (Ducati) 1.42. 045 (44)
15. Canepa (Ducati) 1.42.188 (23)
16. Okada (Honda) 1.43.143 (35)
17. Guareschi (Ducati) 1.43.900 (20)
18. Itoh (Ducati) 1.44.873 (22)


Come on RDP!!!

What is the Hayden excuse of the day for being slower than Pedrosa (and RDP)?

Toseland is doing nicely as well!

I see Melandri is suffering the number 2 Ducati Rider curse (a la Bayliss, Checa, Gibernau, and Capirossi)

Im sorry, but going on this, Melandri is ..... on a Duc. Only .1 faster than a WSSTK guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Nov 28 2007, 02:52 PM) [snapback]102530[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Im sorry, but going on this, Melandri is ..... on a Duc. Only .1 faster than a WSSTK guy.


2007 caption - How do you like Loris, my old .....?

2008 caption - How do you like Marco, my new .....?

Great photo

is there ANY video of the crashes???...Stoner and Lorenzo both crashed hard i hear.