Jerez test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Feb 26 2007, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure about that, I'll try find the race by race record for last year. If you discount the DNF's caused by machinery failure he was consistently 1st-4th.

Not helped by crashing at Assen and breaking his wrist.

I agree, if you discount all the times rossi was inconsistent he does look like the most consistent rider!

No doubt he was better than most, but he was out done on consistency and that makes him not the master. Examples would be Jerez, China, Assen, Valencia. NOw i know thats not many out of such a long season, and i know rossi is one of the most consistent guys out there, but to claim he was the master was a bit of a lie.

yeah, but when he did DNF it was mostly the bikes fault and not his lack of consistency..i.e. tire failure, motor failure..(while in the LEAD non-the-less)

..oh yeah, and who do you know in the field who could consistently catch the leaders from a third or fourth row start?

Nick is a consitstent 3rd place rider and things went his way last year. Thats it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2007, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi is one of the most consistent guys out there, but to claim he was the master was a bit of a lie.
well you dont break just about every record and become a 7 time world champion without being "the master".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2007, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well you dont break just about every record and become a 7 time world champion without being "the master".


Come on even the most hardcore Hayboy fan has to agree that your way wide of the mark there Tom.....

Theres been a fair bit of forecasting the end of his run at the top and now describing him as a consistant rider, but not the master! He is consistantly at the front, numbers dont lie guys, you dont get seven titles and the amount of race wins that Vale has by being only "consistant"

We all like to big up our own guy, but honestly, you cant dismiss Rossi coz he lost the GP title once in the last 6 years!!!!!

The form book says it all, Rossi had a crap year, but still took it to the wire by WINNING races. I'm not going to say Hayboy doesnt deserve his title, because he does. But, he had 1 DNF this year, and won by 5 points. Rossi's title years have been stitched up with races to spare, that is a very different picture.

I think the guys who are writing Rossi off could be eating their words come the end of the season. I know I can be harsh about Hayboy, but I'd also love to see him hitting the front and winning races. Certainly more than Asimo anyway!


Pete

OK, basically this is out of hand. All i did was point out that in the 2006 Hayden was the master of consistency, not rossi. You cannot argue with that, especially not those of you who spent so much time putting Haydens title down the just his consistency.

I didn't say at all that rossi is usually an inconsistent rider. I mean come on, you don't even need to watch gp to know that rossi is so devastatingly successful because his idea of a bad weekend would be 4th place. In the recent years Rossi of course has been the masterof pretty much most things, and i would imagine he will do the same this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2007, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK, basically this is out of hand. All i did was point out that in the 2006 Hayden was the master of consistency, not rossi. You cannot argue with that, especially not those of you who spent so much time putting Haydens title down the just his consistency.

I didn't say at all that rossi is usually an inconsistent rider. I mean come on, you don't even need to watch gp to know that rossi is so devastatingly successful because his idea of a bad weekend would be 4th place. In the recent years Rossi of course has been the masterof pretty much most things, and i would imagine he will do the same this year.


Tom, you were the one who said to claim he is the master is a bit of a lie, sorry but I can argue with that. You cant say a guy has become inconsistant, when DNFs are due to tyre or bike problems, thats bad luck, just like having your team mate skittle you on a corner.

Hayboy won the title (fair and square) by riding consistantly and having a reliable bike.

Rossi made plenty of mistakes last season, but he is human, and for a lot of the season was fighting on the back foot. Anyone is going to feel pressured when they dont know if the bike or tyres will go the distance.

I'm not taking anything from Hayboy, but you cant argue that his title was down to his consistancy, he didnt do it by winning every race and kicking everyones arse, he won by stealth, and a title is still a title.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2007, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK, basically this is out of hand. All i did was point out that in the 2006 Hayden was the master of consistency, not rossi.
no tom. you said i was lieing by calling rossi a master of the sport considering his awsom actevments.
look a few posts up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Feb 26 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure about that, I'll try find the race by race record for last year. If you discount the DNF's caused by machinery failure he was consistently 1st-4th.

Not helped by crashing at Assen and breaking his wrist.

Race Circuit Date Position Points
2 Losail 04/08/06 1 25
6 Mugello 06/04/06 1 25
7 Catalunya 06/18/06 1 25
10 Germany 07/16/06 1 25
13 Sepang 09/10/06 1 25
9 Donington 07/02/06 2 20
12 Brno 08/20/06 2 20
15 Motegi 09/24/06 2 20
16 Estoril 10/15/06 2 20
14 PI 09/17/06 3 16
3 Istanbul 04/30/06 4 13
8 Assen 06/24/06 8 8
17 Valencia 10/29/06 13 3
1 Jerez 03/26/06 14 2
4 Shanghai 05/14/06 DNF 0
5 Le Mans 05/21/06 DNF 0
11 Laguna 07/23/06 DNF 0

Here you go mate... Rossi's results ordered by position!

I stand by my comments, rossi is everything you giuys said he is, except that he was not the master in 2006. He was out done, bottom line. Like you say Rossi has been the master of the sport for years, but in 2006 he was not. The lie I was talking about was that rossi mastered consistency in 2006, he did not. He is over it, why arn't you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I stand by my comments, rossi is everything you giuys said he is, except that he was not the master in 2006. He was out done, bottom line. Like you say Rossi has been the master of the sport for years, but in 2006 he was not. The lie I was talking about was that rossi mastered consistency in 2006, he did not. He is over it, why arn't you?

I’m over it Tom, stopped arguing about it a while ago… I’m just putting the numbers on the plate as I would do with any question about any rider that could arise…


PD. If I can of course!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 27 2007, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I stand by my comments, rossi is everything you giuys said he is, except that he was not the master in 2006. He was out done, bottom line. Like you say Rossi has been the master of the sport for years, but in 2006 he was not. The lie I was talking about was that rossi mastered consistency in 2006, he did not. He is over it, why arn't you?


Im over it Tom, everybody is. Nobody is miscalling Hayboy, or making excuses here,the fact is that Rossi losing the title was down to more than him being inconsistant. Yes, his finishes were inconsistant, but how many were down to rider error and how many to mechanical or tyre troubles?

Pete

This has indeed been talked to death, so we are not covering anything new here. But from Rossis 6 stand bad results, he is in some way responsible for 4 of them.

Hmmm...I've never gotten into this debate, you say he was responsible for 4 out of 6? That leaves 2 which weren't his fault...let's see....
I remember Elias knocking him off at Jerez...his Engine dying at Le Mans..his tyre giving out in China... so which one of these actually was his own fault?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 27 2007, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm...I've never gotten into this debate, you say he was responsible for 4 out of 6? That leaves 2 which weren't his fault...let's see....
I remember Elias knocking him off at Jerez...his Engine dying at Le Mans..his tyre giving out in China... so which one of these actually was his own fault?
yeah good point honey hole
im over it to tom,hayden winning the championship was not the debate,it was wether rossi is a "master" because of his activements,you said that was a lie because he wasnt a good starter or something like that so stats were posted to support my claim,there you have it,no oppinions just hard facts. jerez test rossi "the master" 1.1 secs ahead of farmboy...YOU GET OVER IT

Rog...you're not allowed to call me THAT in here!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 27 2007, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog...you're not allowed to call me THAT in here!
guess you didnt look up my ..... name then

I did. And I'm not calling you it in here am I???
Or would you like me to?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 27 2007, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I did. And I'm not calling you it in here am I???
Or would you like me to?
ok bikergirl fair enough i just couldn't resist the devil made me do it !. soz

Good boy!