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JEREZ GP 2012: RACE

I think that Race Direction should institute what I shall call the Jumkie Rule, which forces riders to form an orderly line behind Nicky Hayden for the duration of the race.



They had that in 2006. It was called the Much to the Chagrin of the GP World rule.

It was quickly abolished due to its unpopularity in Spain and Italy
 
The only reason Stoner didn't dominate the race was the return of arm pump, people are forgetting this. Lorenzo was convincingly beaten by a rider who was clearly not at 100%.
 
I am not sure what your issue is. No-one is in any doubt that I am a stoner fan, but I don't always have an agenda (or a conscious one anyway), and pretty much managed to stay away from "I told you so" all of last year.

You're caught up now. Stoner won at a track he hadn't before, in front of the two favorites -- it's a bit much to then say "yes, it was a good victory, but he could have crushed them." Getting into Spiderman vs. Batman territory.



... dani actually said he should have pushed harder earlier in the race, and presumably didn't out of concern for his own tyres.

There were drops of rain in sections of the track in the early laps -- that typically spooks Pedrosa and it takes him a while to find the grip level and settle into a rhythm. Maybe the same issue affected Spies, but he wasn't able to pick up the pace.
 
Nice Race, Good job from Stoner and Lorenzo, Stoner's last laps were pretty amazing, he was pushing so hard and Jorge was the same solid smooth and consistent rider (not mentioning the way he passed Dovi to gain back the 2nd position. That was kind of ugly). On the other hand Dani was riding way behind his limits. I was watching Donington 2006 right before watching this race and he was on fire that day. He admitted being so conservative on the first laps but I think he was not pushing hard at all. I could see that Repsol Honda begging for a more aggressive ride from the Spaniard. Cal is riding so good this year, amazing both at Qatar and Jerez. He stayed so close to Pedrosa all the race and Dani couldn't make a gap from him. Like other guys said Spies should watch over the British guy, He might be on a Factory bike next year.
 
PM Jumkie - he'd be happy to discuss it.



Crap - sorry about the Espagaro spoiler Jum - oops



It really didn't bother good sir, Moto2 isn't worth watching as I have been told, right Pov?





Hi Guys

First post. Im sorta new to the sport so pardon my dumb questions.

I enjoyed watching the race today.

what I was curious about is the incident when the rider on the black bike with the green helmet ran the red bike off.

It seemed to me that the black bike kinda cut his way across the track in front of everyone.

The announcers didnt say too much about it. Im used to watching Arenacross where this is legal. I would think that at the speeds the GP bikes are running it would be a penalty or a suspension because someone could really get hurt.

Will there be any repurcussions to this type of riding or is it allowed.

I hope he at least apologized for the incident



Anyway it was a good race and I really enjoyed some of the early battles





Dear MotoChick, as my fine friend Arrabbiata1 suggested, feel free to PM me. Click on my avi and then the private message button. That is your personal pic on your avi right? I'm just asking because the pic on my avi is of me too. I'll give you a brief explanation here, but I would be more than happy to explain and get you caught up to speed on all things MotoGP over a glass of wine. Regarding your insightful question, yes, I believe you are talking about the incident where Cal Crutchlow (black bike green helmet) appeared to be out of control in the opening laps of a 27-lap race and ran across the race line and collided into Nicky Hayden (that is the red bike you are referring to). It is actually legal in MotoGP. Its part of the DORNA (that is the series promoter of the sport) strategic plan of making the racing more interesting, a strategy known as WREK.



Yes, very much legal. The rider was simply engaging a rule that says any ambitious rider can make contact with Nicky Hayden in the opening laps of a race. Many a rider has invoked this rule, some even in the latter stages of the race (Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Kalio, DeAngelis, the list goes on and on). So I can understand your arenacross comparison, a sport known for its gratuitous contact and block passing due to its tight spaces and the constant egging on of its gladiator style crowd. Sure, the GP track is over a couple miles long and the width of its surface is wide enough to host semi-truck racing, but don’t let the spacious breath of the tarmac fool you. Mr. Kropotkin here below is our most respected and knowledgeable member of Powerslide; and is actually a powerful paddock insider who is proposing changes to this rule. Not because it is inequitable but rather it does not incite the desired effect of capturing headlines (Nicky hardly ever complains making it difficult for the journalists and DORNA to "promote" the series), as historically, any other rider merely crowded by another has generate much paddock chatter fearlessly reported by the sport’s media, even egged on by skillfully asking provocative questions that would appear to add fuel to the word brawls between riders (again similar to arenacross), notwithstanding, even race direction sanctions have ensued (search Kropotkin’s fine and informative site, motomatters.com, key words: “Lorenzo & Pedrosa complain about dangerous riding”, no that’s night a typo, it’s the same guys who have engaged in the perfectly legal rule of colliding with Nicky Hayden).



So MotoChick, again, feel free to PM me your questions. And of course, welcome to the forum.



I think that Race Direction should institute what I shall call the Jumkie Rule, which forces riders to form an orderly line behind Nicky Hayden for the duration of the race.



Thank you Kropo. You should get on that right away. It would be a good rule.
 
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It would be a good rule.



Cal would't listen!
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There is a Brit rider named Bradley Smith. You will never see Smith because he languishes around 10th place every week but you will get constant updates by the commentators as to where he is.



Yep, finished 7th in his rookie year with three podiums to his credit... that's the same as "languishes around 10th place every week" isn't it?



Of course he is no Kenny Noyes, I grant you...
 
It really didn't bother good sir, Moto2 isn't worth watching as I have been told, right Pov?











Dear MotoChick, as my fine friend Arrabbiata1 suggested, feel free to PM me. Click on my avi and then the private message button. That is your personal pic on your avi right? I'm just asking because the pic on my avi is of me too. I'll give you a brief explanation here, but I would be more than happy to explain and get you caught up too speed on all things MotoGP over a glass of wine. Regarding your insightful question, yes, I believe you are talking about the incident where Cal Crutchlow (black bike green helmet) appeared to be out of control in the opening laps of a 27-lap race and ran across the race line and collided into Nicky Hayden (that is the red bike you are referring to). It is actually legal in MotoGP. Its part of the DORNA (that is the series promoter of the sport) strategic plan of making the racing more interesting, a strategy known as WREK.



Yes, very much legal. The rider was simply engaging a rule that says any ambitious rider can make contact with Nicky Hayden in the opening laps of a race. Many a rider has invoked this rule, some even in the latter stages of the race (Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Kalio, DeAngelis, the list goes on and on). So I can understand your arenacross comparison, a sport known for its gratuitous contact and block passing due to its tight spaces and the constant egging on of its gladiator style crowd. Sure, the GP track is over a couple miles long and the width of its surface is wide enough to host semi-truck racing, but don’t let the spacious breath of the tarmac fool you. Mr. Kropotkin here below is our most respected and knowledgeable member of Powerslide; and is actually a powerful paddock insider who is proposing changes to this rule. Not because it inequitable, as historically, any other rider merely crowded by another has generate much paddock chatter fearlessly reported by the sport’s media, even egged on by skillfully asking provocative questions that would appear to add fuel to the word brawls between riders (again similar to arenacross), notwithstanding, even race direction sanctions have ensued (search Kropotkin’s fine and informative site, motomatters.com, key words: “Lorenzo & Pedrosa complain about dangerous riding”, no that’s night a typo, it’s the same guys who have engaged in the perfectly legal rule of colliding with Nicky Hayden).



So MotoChick, again, feel free to PM me your questions. And of course, welcome to the forum.







Thank you Kropo. You should get on that right away. It would be a good rule.





On fire as ever my friend!



For Motochick.



Since 2006, the year that St Nicky of the parish of consistancy won the most worthy of all titles, (he did away with the frivolity of winning loads of races, and took the title mainly for being a nice guy) there has been a new subtext to the motogp title. The Toni Elias Scud B Cup for erratic but occasionally devastating overtaking. Scud used 2006 to pioneer this new race style and indeed, a dwarf from the land of the evil Puig used Nicky as his target in his attempt at lifting the Toni Elias Scud B Cup that very year!



However, the Scub B Cup was discredited in 2010 with the arrival of the GPS guided Marco "Patriot Paveway" Simoncelli whose laser guided accuracy sent Elias frankly shoddy accuracy back to Moto2 where he harpooned the rookies like shooting fish in a barrel.



Sadly, Marco's star burned bright and short however (RIP the greatest Motogp Champion we never had) and we are back to sloppy half arsed early 90's Russian valve technology approaches to terminal overtakes.



Nicky, being the only bright red motorbike racing with others just now is an easy target for this behaviour, although last year, Marco taught Vale how to torpedo a small ugly freak on a Honda. After a series of phonecalls back to Australia's only living comedian, Paul "no laughing matter" Hogan, this approach became known as "your ambition outweighing your talent" maneuver. Or as those of us in the less custodial countries called it the "GOAT on a donkey takes doon the greetin faced wee crim an it was funny as .... maneuver" Followed by the "tantrum in the stand maneuver" and the classic "special needs kid delivers a ..... Paul Hogan joke to a smug Italian in an AGV maneuver"



That is the sinister subtext to motogp my friend
 
Dear MotoChick, as my fine friend Arrabbiata1 suggested, feel free to PM me. Click on my avi and then the private message button. That is your personal pic on your avi right? I'm just asking because the pic on my avi is of me too. I'll give you a brief explanation here, but I would be more than happy to explain and get you caught up to speed on all things MotoGP over a glass of wine. Regarding your insightful question, yes, I believe you are talking about the incident where Cal Crutchlow (black bike green helmet) appeared to be out of control in the opening laps of a 27-lap race and ran across the race line and collided into Nicky Hayden (that is the red bike you are referring to). It is actually legal in MotoGP. Its part of the DORNA (that is the series promoter of the sport) strategic plan of making the racing more interesting, a strategy known as WREK.



Yes, very much legal. The rider was simply engaging a rule that says any ambitious rider can make contact with Nicky Hayden in the opening laps of a race. Many a rider has invoked this rule, some even in the latter stages of the race (Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Kalio, DeAngelis, the list goes on and on). So I can understand your arenacross comparison, a sport known for its gratuitous contact and block passing due to its tight spaces and the constant egging on of its gladiator style crowd. Sure, the GP track is over a couple miles long and the width of its surface is wide enough to host semi-truck racing, but don’t let the spacious breath of the tarmac fool you. Mr. Kropotkin here below is our most respected and knowledgeable member of Powerslide; and is actually a powerful paddock insider who is proposing changes to this rule. Not because it is inequitable but rather it does not incite the desired effect of capturing headlines (Nicky hardly ever complains making it difficult for the journalists and DORNA to "promote" the series), as historically, any other rider merely crowded by another has generate much paddock chatter fearlessly reported by the sport’s media, even egged on by skillfully asking provocative questions that would appear to add fuel to the word brawls between riders (again similar to arenacross), notwithstanding, even race direction sanctions have ensued (search Kropotkin’s fine and informative site, motomatters.com, key words: “Lorenzo & Pedrosa complain about dangerous riding”, no that’s night a typo, it’s the same guys who have engaged in the perfectly legal rule of colliding with Nicky Hayden).



So MotoChick, again, feel free to PM me your questions. And of course, welcome to the forum.



Is this how far you and your wifes communication has gotten? Could you all just have this conversation in the kitchen?
 





Vintage Powerslide, Pete takes a crack at Mdub's ex-wife, Mdub takes a crack at his own ex-wife haha. Speaking of rotten whores, that reminds me of something Cal said about Dani Pedrosa, which nobody has mentioned; but has been dully noted by CRAP (Commission on Rider Assaults and Provocations). While being interviewed after the race, the interviewer turned to ask Cal about chasing around his rat mascot (no ........) and asked if it was still alive or had he fed it poison? Cal, naturally talking about pesky vermin, took a crack at Dani by saying, "Chasing Dani was like chasing the same thing, a small rat." I .... you not, look it up. Hence why I have instructed CRAP to put Cal on a very minor probation, which if he keeps making comments like this about Pedros, the commission may elevate his status from: probationary, to exemplary.
 
Just read your little convo with Dennis and Mr Briggs Kropo, and I'm interested to know if you think Rossi's team are upending the config of the Engine in the frame fairly dramatically across the race weekend? As the comments appear to be reflecting something like this, and seems to explain their very dynamic performances, and also with the engine, do you think the desmo system is one of the main problems with the power delivery issues? Thus Ducati dragging their heels over implementing the changes necessary?



Personally, I believe we have been hearing 'new parts coming soon that will change everything' for the last 18 months, yet Ducati fail to deliver every time, the new bike almost seems fundamentally flawed already, have you heard of any calls for a major restructuring in the Ducati Corse? Other than from fans of course.....
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