JEREZ GP 2012: RACE

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Kropotkin said:
I think that Race Direction should institute what I shall call the Jumkie Rule, which forces riders to form an orderly line behind Nicky Hayden for the duration of the race, whilst stopping every lap to consume one tequila shot for every lap remaining
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Krop, hope you don't mind but I added another 'Jumkie Rule'
 
Beef Supreme said:
You're caught up now. Stoner won at a track he hadn't before, in front of the two favorites -- it's a bit much to then say "yes, it was a good victory, but he could have crushed them." Getting into Spiderman vs. Batman territory.





There were drops of rain in sections of the track in the early laps -- that typically spooks Pedrosa and it takes him a while to find the grip level and settle into a rhythm. Maybe the same issue affected Spies, but he wasn't able to pick up the pace.
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No, I said that jorge and dani may have thought stoner was going to run out of tyres, and confirmed my deep bias and hatred of all things non-stoner by saying I thought this myself, particularly given that to my knowledge he had never won a dry race on the soft bridgestone. It was also obviously not jorge lorenzo but an actor made up to look like him hired by neoboppers incorporated who looked with an expression of bemusement first at his own front tyre then stoner's in parc ferme after the race. My point concerned him surprisingly having lasted the whole race distance on the soft tyre, the implication that I was saying he could have crushed them is one you drew. If he could have he wouldn't have anyway because I strongly suspect he was among those surprised that his tyre lasted sufficiently.



It still remains to be seen whether stoner can ride this year's new construction bridgestone.
 
Word is that Burgess has been told to stop buggering about and use Hayden's setting. There is much smugness in other garages, and much bitterness among Rossi's crew.
 
mt1960 said:
Yep, finished 7th in his rookie year with three podiums to his credit... that's the same as "languishes around 10th place every week" isn't it?
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Once again, someone makes a point and you fail to grasp it, and then stick your foot in your mouth trying to prove them wrong



I dont think you understand what the word around means so I thought I would put it in a few sentences, so maybe you can grasp its meaning.



MT1960 is always around the point, but never on it



One could drive a bus around the inside of MT1960's head for days and never find anything



If you hang around an internet forum where everybody is smarter than you, you only look dumb



Shouldnt you be circling around a toilet somewhere?



Why are we even replying, you wont be around for long anyway

 
Jumkie said:
Vintage Powerslide, Pete takes a crack at Mdub's ex-wife, Mdub takes a crack at his own ex-wife haha. Speaking of rotten whores, that reminds me of something Cal said about Dani Pedrosa, which nobody has mentioned; but has been dully noted by CRAP (Commission on Rider Assaults and Provocations). While being interviewed after the race, the interviewer turned to ask Cal about chasing around his rat mascot (no ........) and asked if it was still alive or had he fed it poison? Cal, naturally talking about pesky vermin, took a crack at Dani by saying, "Chasing Dani was like chasing the same thing, a small rat." I .... you not, look it up. Hence why I have instructed CRAP to put Cal on a very minor probation, which if he keeps making comments like this about Pedros, the commission may elevate his status from: probationary, to exemplary.
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Yeah I saw this and nearly pissed my pants.

Both me and a buddy here applauded him whilst laughing.



Man putting Cal on even a small probation is strong.

I do believe it's his first offence!?

Think back to the time at the SoCal bike show whatever?

And how much of a good time did you have in his company? 20mins or so I recall??

Who else gave you that?

Even Nicky had you down as a stalker! I do believe
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Talpa said:
Just read your little convo with Dennis and Mr Briggs Kropo, and I'm interested to know if you think Rossi's team are upending the config of the Engine in the frame fairly dramatically across the race weekend? As the comments appear to be reflecting something like this, and seems to explain their very dynamic performances, and also with the engine, do you think the desmo system is one of the main problems with the power delivery issues? Thus Ducati dragging their heels over implementing the changes necessary?



Personally, I believe we have been hearing 'new parts coming soon that will change everything' for the last 18 months, yet Ducati fail to deliver every time, the new bike almost seems fundamentally flawed already, have you heard of any calls for a major restructuring in the Ducati Corse? Other than from fans of course.....
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Talpa, I think Ducati has pull out all the stops during Rossi’s tenure and have certainly brought out new parts, that they haven't worked is another issue. Ducati doesn’t have a voice in this; so when Rossi implies he asked for parts and doesn't get them, what is Ducati suppose to say?





I'm not keen on the vilification of Ducati, as I think they are all honestly trying to succeed, when Rossi is gone, the Ducati Company will remain. They went after each other, Rossi left and Ducati helped him make that decision; and have at this point done just about everything in their power to turn things around. That we are talking about a new redesigned engine to possibly come should give us all pause to reflect on the magnitude of Ducati’s commitment to Rossi and racing. And considering they are a spec of dust compared to the Japanese companies, I'd say a bit of perspective is in order.



Rossi's latest comments describe him taking a different approach. He says he has sought out Nicky's settings and feels that this has definitely made a positive direction for him. He also admits to feeling discouraged, perhaps a bit of pride had to be swallowed to publicly tell people he had to look to his teammate for some direction; for me its endearing in that he has expressed a bit of humility. Its time for his fans to do a bit of the same when discussing Ducati, who bleed racing and competition and are fully and undoubtedly dedicated to the sport. Much better financially off companies have been way worse in their shameful development and folded up like a wet napkin, Suzuki and Kawaski.



I also found Rossi's comments regarding Lorenzo who said he would welcome him back to Yamaha interesting. Has the bridge building started? Or is Lorenzo just saying this as it would pose no threat of actually ever occurring.



Btw, Barbera is a .......



http://www.gpone.com...me-the-way.html





Also, people didn’t mention this, but Spies had an interesting response when asked about Dovi's threat to his seat. He said to the effect that Dovi had been there three times as long as him, has had his chance at factory seats, and is only good for 4-6 type finishing positions. Spies may need to start putting up the numbers, as it is, reports are coming in that Cal has already won the 2012 title. The challengers are lining up for Spies’ bike, Cal, Dovi, and maybe even Rossi.



http://www.crash.net...peculation.html
 
Kropotkin said:
Word is that Burgess has been told to stop buggering about and use Hayden's setting. There is much smugness in other garages, and much bitterness among Rossi's crew.
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Yeah, read that today.



“The positive thing from today's race is that I think it might help us to do a bit better in the coming events, starting next week in Portugal,” said Rossi.



The reason for Rossi's optimism was the switch to a more Ducati-style set-up, 'very similar' to that used by team-mate Nicky Hayden - Rossi admitting after Saturday's disastrous qualifying that ideas he and his crew had used with great success in the past simply weren't working:

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That prompted the change in set-up ideology, although Rossi went into the race 'almost blind' and see-sawed between tenth and eleventh position for the opening ten laps.



“Today we used a set-up that's new for us, and it gave some positive signs. [We had] tried some solutions to give me a feeling similar to what I've had [with other bikes] in the past, but it doesn't work,” he confirmed.



“Today's setting was very similar to what Nicky has used for a while, though not exactly the same. I must get used to riding the bike a bit differently than I'm used to, and today that caused me to lose some ground in the early laps because I was basically starting blind.



http://www.crash.net...tino_rossi.html
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Kropotkin said:
Actually, he was told to use Nicky's settings ...
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Well, it looks like it helped...



“I wasn't going bad once I found my rhythm, in the sense that I was matching the times of those who were fighting for sixth place, and I was able to push until the end, doing a 1:41.0 on the penultimate lap. VR
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Kropotkin said:
"Ducati"
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LOL at the quotes.

From fairly high up, I'm guessing. Seems they didn't appreciate getting tossed under the bus post-Qatar.



It's a reach, but does this imply that Haystack is now the Official Lead Rider and Developer ?!
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Thanks
 
Jumkie said:
Talpa, I think Ducati has pull out all the stops during Rossi’s tenure and have certainly brought out new parts, that they haven't worked is another issue. Ducati doesn’t have a voice in this; so when Rossi implies he asked for parts and doesn't get them, what is Ducati suppose to say?





I'm not keen on the vilification of Ducati, as I think they are all honestly trying to succeed, when Rossi is gone, the Ducati Company will remain. They went after each other, Rossi left and Ducati helped him make that decision; and have at this point done just about everything in their power to turn things around. That we are talking about a new redesigned engine to possibly come should give us all pause to reflect on the magnitude of Ducati’s commitment to Rossi and racing. And considering they are a spec of dust compared to the Japanese companies, I'd say a bit of perspective is in order.



Rossi's latest comments describe him taking a different approach. He says he has sought out Nicky's settings and feels that this has definitely made a positive direction for him. He also admits to feeling discouraged, perhaps a bit of pride had to be swallowed to publicly tell people he had to look to his teammate for some direction; for me its endearing in that he has expressed a bit of humility. Its time for his fans to do a bit of the same when discussing Ducati, who bleed racing and competition and are fully and undoubtedly dedicated to the sport. Much better financially off companies have been way worse in their shameful development and folded up like a wet napkin, Suzuki and Kawaski.



I also found Rossi's comments regarding Lorenzo who said he would welcome him back to Yamaha interesting. Has the bridge building started? Or is Lorenzo just saying this as it would pose no threat of actually ever occurring.



Btw, Barbera is a .......



http://www.gpone.com...me-the-way.html





Also, people didn’t mention this, but Spies had an interesting response when asked about Dovi's threat to his seat. He said to the effect that Dovi had been there three times as long as him, has had his chance at factory seats, and is only good for 4-6 type finishing positions. Spies may need to start putting up the numbers, as it is, reports are coming in that Cal has already won the 2012 title. The challengers are lining up for Spies’ bike, Cal, Dovi, and maybe even Rossi.



http://www.crash.net...peculation.html
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Yes I agree, Ducati does certainly bleed to compete in Motogp, and certainly monsters like Suzuki Kawasaki, BMW etc aren't willing to show the dedication to this series-I agree completely. I feel as though, that Ducati's hands are seriously tied, they want or rather need to remain innovative and keep some semblance of their DNA in their Motogp Machine, but the regs won't allow this if they want to be competitive.



I'm all for Rossi and crew searching Nickys setting to find the answers, however Nicky faded dramatically in the race, and only just beat Rossi anyway, the pair of them were beaten by the rookie Bradl, Qualifying was a different story, but if this method still only brings 30 seconds off the leaders then its hardly worth pursuing if you want to win.

As I said yesterday, if Rossi needs to change his style to get 'faster' so to speak with this bike, then to what end? How fast can he get with this bike and a different approach, 5th? 6th? 8th?. Rossi's style has brought him a few victories over the years, many more than Ducati, many more than Hayden-you can understand their POV. Right now the bike and the relationship seems to have turned Rossi into a midpacker mentally, and the fans, the press are growing ever more tired-yet the interest in this story still far outweighs anything that happening in the series and it won't go away, if anything we should be talking about Spies-who happened to finish behind Rossi and Barbera on the Factory M1!



The positive comments from Lorenzo and Rossi on a return to the Factory M1 are very interesting, currently I, and I'm sure many feel this is only way Vale will return to the front. It's not Ducati's fault entirely, but the fact of the matter is, they don't have a machine capable of competing with the big boys. No matter how much they twist or turn settings, adapt styles etc, they need to find 30 seconds across race distance.........a lifetime in this sport. Of course I'm hoping I'm wrong and I would love nothing more than to see them compete again at the front, but the writing appears to be on the wall for this season-barring a miracle......
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Geonerd said:
LOL at the quotes.

From fairly high up, I'm guessing. Seems they didn't appreciate getting tossed under the bus post-Qatar.



It's a reach, but does this imply that Haystack is now the Official Lead Rider and Developer ?!
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Thanks
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That would be Juan Martinez, rather than Mr Kentucky.
 
Kropotkin said:
That would be Juan Martinez, rather than Mr Kentucky.
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Wow!



You write so little, but say so much between the lines.
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What you are implying has got to be the understatement of the week, particularly if this 'understanding' within the team will carry forward for the next race or three.

It speaks volumes about the company's mindset and faith in their star.





Seems you've got a MotoMatters article to write....
 

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